Sorry to bother, but wanted to get your perspective on this Forum:Cursed_Child_Spoilers. Should leaks from the play be removed as part of a #KeepTheSecrets campaign, or under the issue of Verifiability, or left to stand for those who are interested in pursuing spoilers. I can see the edit wars brewing... Any stance on the matter? Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 22:42, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
All ready to go or does Binky's backstory need to be fleshed out? ;) I've seen several major spoilers already so trying to get ahead some of it. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 00:42, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
I wrote a bit more to test out how the spoilerbox handles images. Seems good to go. ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 01:00, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
I'd also prefer it if the spoilerbox was a template, but I don't know how to get it to work, so I guess we'll just have to copy the spoilerbox code into each article. ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 01:02, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
See Seth's alternative in the forum. I think I could make your section, or Seth's tabber, into a template with a parameter if that is desired or we could just copy&paste - whatever works. --Ironyak1 (talk) 01:14, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
As you've noticed the collapsible section seems a bit fragile and fails to display when more complicated markup is used within in. I will try to see if there is anything that can be done with the template, but if we run into issues, it may best just copy the code to the page as this seems to fix the problem. --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:34, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
Having read more about our earlier discussion, it sounds nuts on the surface, but it may also be a grand metaphor about the dangers of an author returning to mess with her previous work - be interesting to find out where it ends up and what that metaphoric lesson will be for everyone! (keeping it on the down-low in case Seth is peeking ;) --Ironyak1 (talk) 04:45, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
Very good analysis. The plot elements probably seem more far-fetched in isolation. I've always had a strong dislike for the Ron/Hermione relationship, so there's a certain satisfaction in the thought of it being retconned out of canon, but, at the same time, actually messing with time would have dire consequences. And it will be interesting to see if the play explores the moral implications thereof. Starstuff 04:51, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - I had seen the twitlonger summary and there are plenty of WTF moments in there. I remain hopeful there is more going on than is being told and Jo is able to wrap it all together into something meaningful and not just a "careful what you wish for" lesson to the fandom. (keeping fingers and toes crossed till Thursday) --Ironyak1 (talk) 08:36, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
This comment for some reason made the whole reddit thread #2 worth it for me:
Obi-Wan-Canblowme • 37m
This has to be a Weasley's Wizard Wheezes Mad Lib or something. No way this is real.
Now we just need to see if canon was broken or even advanced in some way or if was all a zero sum game. Still holding out hope for FB! Eternally optimistic --Ironyak1 (talk) 00:03, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
What does it say that everything I've read so far reminds me of My Immortal? Starstuff 21:59, June 10, 2016
I never got into fanfic (was always more a wrocker - still has a prominent place on my playlists :) so I had to read up on this reference. As I've preordered the script book, I hope the comparison is misplaced, but wouldn't that be an epic fan tribute if it's written phonetically with several different spellings for every character? ;)
I think the unlikely-friendship/relationship-against-the-world would have worked great without all the AU shenanigans. Could have still done fan service via portraits, pensieve-like flashbacks of lost scenes, or prophecy style foreshadowing. Delphi could even be there although making her backstory more murky and rumored may have been better. Losing the closed-loop elegance of POA seems like a major mistake. However as the spoilers become more refined, I am finding more to like so I'm holding out hope (always ;) --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:28, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
As the play delves into time travel, how should I do that in articles; a tab listed as "alternate universe" or something? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:54, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
The infobox on the Albus Potter article is a currently a huge spoiler. People's eyes may very well be drawn to the green of the infobox before they read the spoiler header. Thus we should probably implement tabs to shield spoilers in infoboxes.
We ought to hold a discussion to determine how best to handle coverage of alternate-universe events, but we could take some pointers from Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki. I can't add links without breaking the spoilerbox, but their article on Spock is a good example. Articles on Memory Alpha featuring AU content are marked with a "multiple realities" header. They have spin-off articles for covering Mirror Universe!Spock and Reboot Universe!/Quinto!Spock in greater depth instead of trying to fit it all under the main Spock article. Although I'm not sure we'll have a need to create spin-off articles for the AU versions of characters. User:Starstuff 02:11, June 11, 2016
Are you able to add the tab to the infobox?
Yeah, I don't think we'll need to crate an "Alternate Universe Hermione Granger" page, but we'll need some heading. There's only you, I and Ironyak who're willing to be spoiled until July though...--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:16, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry I had to revert your changes to Albus Potter. The current plan is to quarantine spoiler content inside of a spoilerbox under a single section of an article until September 1. So, unfortunately, we can't update the introductory sections to contain spoiler information. Thus we cannot update the Petunia Dursley and Astoria Malfoy introductions to note their canonical deaths until after the spoiler blackout has elapsed. This means that the majority of of these articles are going to be out of sync with the spoiler sections, but this is an unavoidable consequence of our effort to prevent people from being unwillingly spoiled.
User:Ironyak1 recently created some tabbed infoboxes for another proposal (see Forum:Character_Images_and_Infoboxes) which we could use to create spoiler infoboxs. I'm not especially good at coding, but I can toy around to try to get something working. Otherwise I'm sure Ironyak1 would be willing to help perfect the infoboxes.
There's also the question of how to handle play-only characters. For example, Delphi's parentage is a giant spoiler, so I'd suggest titling her article after her assumed name ("Delphinus Diggory") for the duration of the spoiler blackout. Also only mentioning non-spoilery information in the introduction. User:Starstuff 02:40, June 11, 2016
Playing with spoiler section and infobox options now -- User:Ironyak1 02:49, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
cc-spoilerbox will need some research to figure out how to pass some of the formatting text through the parser. Can look at it later today, but can copy down the template code to a page for now if needed.
Using User:Ironyak1 to play with tabber on the infobox - still rough but looks to be a proof of concept. Will continue to refine.
Not sure about AU issue - links to see how others handled are appreciated. --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:15, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Would it be possible to move the tabs over so they line up with the infobox? Or do you intend to switch the spoiler quarantine method to switchable tabs as opposed to the spoilerbox? ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 03:12, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Tabber is new to me so it will take some time to figure out how to tweak it. I've pushed the tabs right for now, but note that it actually allows for making entirely separate pages if need be on each tab. One option would be just to have the normal page, and then an entire CC page with all the new info. When spoiler protection is over, we can just remove the old page and leave CC. Just another option to confining edits to the cc-spoiler box. --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:21, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to describe them, but could we do like the Once Upon A Time Wiki and have big section covers and drop down boxes that you have to open and close -- we can put one at the top of the page and a warning of spoilers that covers the page first. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 10:14, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer to Once Upon Time Wiki - their collapsable sections were done a little differently and seem to handle complicated markup better so I changed ours to work similarly. Indents, links, and even Starstuff's fancy signature seem to be working inside them now!
As I mentioned in the forum characters with small CC details to add (like McGonagall) can use the cc-spoilerbox while major reveals (like Scorpius) will need a tabber page. Let me setup Albus as a test case and we can go from there. NOTE: Avoid putting spoiler info as Section names or in the edit Summary as this is visible in other ways! --Ironyak1 (talk) 16:15, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Can I suggest that we edit full pages and not sections? Pretty telling when the page is Bellatrix, the section summary is Lord Voldemort, or vice versa and the next major page edits are Delphi (or god forbid Talk:Delphi Riddle like earlier today ;). I originally put the cc-spoilerbox up at the end of the intro summary, but it kept getting move into Family or Relationships so I just let it be, although it shows lot of what is going on in RC. Just an idea to help obsfucate WikiActivity/RC a bit. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 05:47, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
It is really only feasible for us to offer spoiler protection at the article level. So if people are diving into the internal workings of the wiki, and looking at the recent changes list or pressing "edit" to view the source of articles, they should be prepared for the possibility of encountering spoilers. ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 06:10, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
I understand where you are coming from on this and I recognise it as an uphill or impossible battle; however taking some small steps in how pages are editted or summaries written can avoid some of these spoilers leaking through into the Hot Spots box, or Wiki Activity lists (largely for Seth's sake here). As for users editting the articles, yeah not much can be done there to shield their fragile minds ;) I liked how you added Craig as the summary text just had the spoiler warning unlike the Delphi addition which unintentionally had the whole "daughter of blahdeblah" in it and the subsequent rename and discussion was just icing on that cake. It is interesting how no one has bothered with Rose's sorting, the trolley witch reveal, or Cedric's alternate fate - like it or not, the fandom's imagination is fixated on Delphi's heritage (curst chile rox! ;) --Ironyak1 (talk) 06:50, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
Hey - if you're still around I'll be in chat for awhile if you want to talk about the new Cursed Child policy. Probably save me a tl;dr post here about my thoughts on the matter :) Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:06, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring these changes to your attention and see if you have other ideas along these lines or suggestions for improvements. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:51, June 12, 2016 (UTC)
This looks good so far. If find any issues down the road, I'll let you know, though. :) ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 02:01, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
Help with pages
Hey, Starstuff. Am off from work today, and I'm blocked on a couple of my favorite wikis, and was wondering, are there any particular pages here that come to mind that need to be worked on? -- ImperiexSeed, 5:55 AM, June 15th 2016
I'm not sure. I can't seem to find the forum to go and check. -- Seth Cooperowl post! 01:39, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
I think it's here. But we removed the links to the owner's site and deleted page revisions containing the links, from what I remember. ★Starstuff(Owl me!) 01:41, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
Don't want to interrupt your progress but if you have a a couple minutes to chat I would appreciate it. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 12:10, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
Why did you delete my article???
Why did you delete my artical? Their was nothing wrong with it. Do you know how long it took me to make that? How would you like it if I deleated one eof your articles? Loads of people post articles that aren't 100% to do with the Harry Potter fandom. Why is my article so different that you felt the need to delete it?
I've created an infobox for Ilvermornians -- I'm not too happy with the colour scheme, though (even though it conforms with the canonical colours of cranberry-and-blue). Feel free to tweak them as you see fit. -- Seth Cooperowl post! 02:52, June 30, 2016 (UTC)