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Seth Cooper

aka Rick M.

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Hello, Seth Cooper, and welcome to the Harry Potter Wiki (HPW). Thank you for your contributions. I hope you enjoy editing and decide to stay.

By the way, please be sure to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to automatically produce your name and the current date. Be sure to verify your e-mail address in your preferences. Before attempting any major article rewrites please read the layout guide. If you have any questions, check out the policy and help pages (see here for editing help), add a question to the Community portal, view the forum or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!

-Matoro183 (Talk) 17:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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re: links

No worries! Where possible, I'll try to not remove too many red links (and if I accidentally remove a red link that should be kept, feel free to revert). Most of the red links I fix will likely be on user talkpages or archives (mostly those old article comment pages) or obvious pages which aren't going to be an article on the wiki.

Regarding archivetool: that's understandable. I'll try to manually archive talkpages, but the convenience of the tool makes it easier. But I understand if it's not something you'd want to use! :)

(PS: Can you delete this? The sysop who created it did so on incorrect advice provided by another member who didn't understand how Wikia JS Imports work. I would tag it, but the page is locked). --Sajuuk 20:18, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

While going through some red links, I realise I may have removed some red links that should have been left. If you check through my contributions, you'll find a few with a summary that asks for the edit to be reverted if the red link should be kept. Feel free to check if they should be kept, though a few of them were pages that I very much doubted would exist. --Sajuuk 16:23, February 16, 2016 (UTC)


I just thought I'd let you know that this editor has been leaving unconstructive messages on my talk page, and has attempted to edit war with me on my own talk page when I removed the unconstructive messages.

The messages contained personal attacks, and arguments over the user's edits to the Dolores Umbridge. They are clearly refusing to assume good faith, keep a level head, or otherwise refusing to let the incident go.

Their behaviour shows that they are annoyed that their edits to the Dolores Umbridge page were removed. I have also noticed that they've been previously warned against engaging in personal attacks, and leaving unhelpful messages on user talk pages. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 23:34, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

As I said, you're words were hypocritical. You tell me to speak with people before edit warring... yet the edit war only goddamn began because you did not talk with me before undoing the edit. If you'd done that, then we would not be in this situation. Get yourself in check and rather than criticize me, accept that you were responsible for the whole situation!--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:49, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
Like I said, your edits were undone because they were not convenient to be kept, and they didn't have a valid enough source of evidence to back them up. It was pointless to talk to you before undoing the edit, because I had valid reasons to undo it, and it's not like it's your decision what must stay and what must go on the wiki. Also I refuse to get myself in check because I kept a level head. I was not responsible for the situation. You were the one who made the questionable edit in the first place, and all the witnesses who publicly got involved in expressing their opinions on the situation disagreed that your edits were relevant. I can hardly see why that would make my words hypocritical, and if they do, I had valid reasons. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 23:55, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
The original undo of the edit, should, as per your own words have been discussed with me to see if you did agree. I could have been persuaded to accept the undo of my edit. As you didn't, edit war began. You remind me of someone I ultimately defeated on the Downton Abbey wiki. Don't make me do the same here, because I will. I will fight to the bitter end to get you to admit that you were the reason the edit war began. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:43, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I happen to be a highly trusted good faith user on several wikis. You will not be able to get me to admit to something that I wasn't at fault for. And you will not be able to best me either. I come in good faith, constructive edits, and if I find any edits that I disagree with, I do exactly what many other good faith users would have done. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:46, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
You are at fault; if you'd obeyed your own words and asked me to explain my reasoning before undoing the edit, we wouldn't have this problem. Thus, everything that has occurred is your fault. TBH, I don't care about your reputation -- once you've admitted you were wrong (and mean it), then this can end. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:53, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Threatening other users to admit that they are wrong is a clear demonstration of bad faith, and a clear demonstration of someone who is unable to keep a level head. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:55, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I had kept a level head; a level head has not sorted this situation, has it? You refuse, when you were wrong, to admit it. Thus, as a level head has not worked, there's no other situation left. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:58, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Every other user that has spoken so far has declared that they were not supportive of keeping the information you added in place. And I had no business in asking you to explain your reasoning before undoing your edit, because you were the one who made the edit that no one else thought was necessary. Since I had no part in this before I undid your edit, I had no reason to ask you to explain your reasoning, because this wiki isn't all about you. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:03, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Your addition didn't have a valid enough source of evidence to support it. And I haven't done anything except undoing your edit as a result. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:13, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I provided three.
I loathe your existence.
End this here and now, please. I don't even care if you mean it. Just write "I was wrong and should have spoken with you first, as I wrote in my own words" and we'll end it. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:15, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Telling someone that you loathe their existence is not an action that can be tolerated. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:17, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Don't care anymore. I've given you the chance to end this. You refused to take it. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:24, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
It was already ended. You just kept harping on about it when the issue was resolved, that the information you added wasn't going to be kept. But you still kept on going. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:26, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I think you'll find it wasn't about the edit; it was about your words that all undone edits should be spoken about to the original person before they're undone. You did not speak to me over it and just did it. THAT is what this whole discussion was about. THAT is why I asked for an apology -- I don't care that the edit was undone; all I care about is that you didn't obey your own words. Apologise for that and it's done. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:31, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not going to apologise because your reaction to the incident completely missed the point. A user is not obliged to ask for reasoning before undoing someone's edit. It's normally the person whose edit is undone that asks why their edit was undone. Not the person undoing the edit to ask for an explanation. It's that simple. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:35, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Fine, I don't give a toss anymore. I've had enough. Be wrong. I've given up trying to help you. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 01:39, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Tina not an Auror

Finally remembered the name of the position which is sort of a less skilled version of an Auror - it is called Magical Law Enforcement Patrol.

It is possible that Tina was demoted from Auror to a desk job rather than demoted from Auror to a Patrol - but since her outfit, from the link you used to denote her as a former Auror, is a cheaper version of an Auror outfit, a Patrol would be more likely? Patrol is not in that category of occupations Auror is in but don't know how to do categories.

Don't know if this is American or Canadian/British page numbers

'Will it be Aurors who catch them?'

'Oh no, this is too trivial for Aurors, it'll be the ordinary Magical Law Enforcement Patrol - ah, Harry, this is Perkins.'

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - p.123 - Bloomsbury - Chapter 7, The Ministry of Magic

(Vaudree (talk) 00:46, February 21, 2016 (UTC)) (Vaudree (talk) 00:47, February 21, 2016 (UTC))

Not Any More - Tina was demoted

So, judging that her outfit is described as a scaled down cheaper version of an auror outfit, I think that it is safe to assume that she is a Patrol - and was not given a desk job. See previous for quote.

Probably should have chosen a better title, eh. (Vaudree (talk) 01:44, February 22, 2016 (UTC))

Featured articles

There haven´t been new featured articles for quite a long time. Do you have any ideas if there are any featured quality articles that have not been featured yet or that could be rewritten? I offer my help, but I don´t think my English is that good.--Rodolphus (talk) 16:52, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Audio clips

Do you have any ideas if we could realise this idea on the wiki? It would be a great help to non-native speakers I think.

--Rodolphus (talk) 16:55, February 21, 2016 (UTC)


And last, maybe we could add a nationalityfield to the infoboxes:

I hope its okay that I started three topics on your talk page.--Rodolphus (talk) 17:01, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

RE: HarryPotterRules1

You may be aware of this, but I wanted to point this out just in-case. I undid their edit for the exact same reason you and Sajuuk undid their edit. Because it wasn't mathematical proof that Sirius Black knew everyone at Hogwarts. And that it was faulty reasoning. I didn't provide a clear explanation, because I didn't know that they would behave like this. A wise editor would ask for a clearer explanation as to why their edits were undone, rather than undo them back. Also I needed to undo the edit to get it over and done with, as there are times where not every editor has the time to express their reasoning, only that they know that they are right to undo edits to remove faulty reasoning. In spite of what the editor said, I feel that did not ignore my own words, because as my first undoing of the edit implied, they did not have a source, or otherwise mathematical evidence to back up the information they added. So I do not feel that I was at fault. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 03:59, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

RFP backlog

Looks like Sujaak has the three votes needed for content moderator rights. Looking at the bureaucrats list, I see you're the only one currently active. Would you do the honour? Starstuff (Owl me!) 09:13, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for approving the request! I'll get to work with cleaning up some stuff, starting with file moves, then moving to cleaning up some of the mainspace pages (such as tagged redirects and things like that). --Sajuuk 11:09, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Bot flag request

Hi there! I've been looking around the wiki and noticed that there are no active bots used on this wiki. So I've made a RFP for my bot account, SajuukBot, to be granted a bot flag. Granted, the bot has limited capacity to do certain tasks, but it can do basic things like mass link fixing and things like that. As this flag can only be granted by Wikia Staff, a suitable consensus will be required. I will not take it personally if the bot is rejected on the community and am contented to wait if the community requires more trust from me. :) --Sajuuk 15:38, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

^ Bump. --Sajuuk 13:00, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Portable infoboxes

Heya! Wikia has hand-coded new versions of your existing infoboxes so that they work on a wide range of portable devices. We'd like to go ahead and implement these changes, but of course we'd want your input before proceeding much further. Please stop by this forum thread and give your views. And if you know of any of your fellow Harry Potter community members who'd be interested in this changeover, please invite them along, too! Thanks! — CzechOut @Wikia 08:41, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Requests For Permissions

Hey Seth,

I just thought that I would let you know that on the "requests for permissions" page, I have reapplied for rollback rights after much thought, but noone seems to have seen it and it's been a fair few weeks now.

Thanks a lot,

  ArrestoMomentum | talk  08:23, March 6, 2016 (UTC)


Should there be an entry for Medicine man? Wikipedia makes a distinction between medicine men (who are always good) and witches (which are always bad) - something that JKR hints that Indigenous No-Maj believe. The difference is that JKR says that some medicine men are wizards, which Wikipedia says never happens. You are better at entry versus behind the scenes than I am generally and I am going to be sick later today/dentist (meaning anything I write will sound ESL). Put the links at the Skin-walker talk and compared quotes to what wik said and JKR said.

Your skin-walker improvements were excellent but two questions concerning it. Is Skin-walker an indigenous no-maj term for animagi? When JKR mentions being "particularly gifted" in animal magic, is that a reference to animagi or not? Totems will come up with skin-walkers but not yet. Included it in part because the eagle saw in video is affiliated with a specific tribe - what I said about you being better at behind the scenes for that specific instance.

Back seat driver mode turned off (Vaudree (talk) 18:14, March 8, 2016 (UTC))

Danniesen redux

How long of a leash should we give editors who consistently make unhelpful contributions? Starstuff (Owl me!) 01:13, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

I find it difficult to interact with the user because of their habit of making long, tangential posts. I told them to stop contacting me with their theories and speculations -- it's enough seeing them on dozens of article talk pages. I've been practicing avoidance in the hopes that the behaviour would subside and conflict could be avoided. Starstuff (Owl me!) 18:51, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

I am allergic to my son's underarm deoderant and shampoo so I get dizzy a lot. It is easier to be coherent and concise when I am not feeling dizzy. Trying to function dizzy is annoying for me too - likely even more annoying than it is for you - but the alternative is waiting around to die. I probably argue more to not commit to a theory prematurily than I do promote a theory. I plead my case on the talk page and, if I can't, I leave it alone. I could leave it alone sooner. Said my piece concerning the choice of the word Mercenary - it is possible that the scourers were, given their other activities, but we don't know that yet. But if you want to commit to the theory that they were, I will live with it. (Vaudree (talk) 19:26, March 16, 2016 (UTC))

I think it's clear from the above comment that we're dealing with a troll here, Seth. I'm to willing to give users the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent, especially if they're completely new to wikis, but when they start offering comically bizarre explanations for their behaviour, you're know you're being had on. Starstuff (Owl me!) 21:14, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

House of Black Edit

I made an edit to the House of Black page, unfortunately, afterwards it showed that nowiki tags were added to two of the characters. So I went back to change it and saved the page, but I didn't see it on the recent activity page. So I tried it again, but it still didn't show up there. On top of that, the nowiki tags are still there. Since I can't seem to make any more changes to the page, can you fix it? The tags are in the "Distant Relatives" section, on the characters Nymphadora Lupin, and Molly Weasley. Also, would you happen to know why that happened? EternalLocket (talk) 00:54, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Title template

Hi there! I removed a template from the Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone article, but Cubs Fan2007 added it back. The template in question is {{Title}}, but examining the template, it appears to do nothing at all to the rendered output and looks like it's probably legacy code that no longer works on the Oasis skin. Should we remove the {{Title}} template from all the articles that it is found on? If so, it might be useful to do so using a bot, but the RFP for my bot seems to have been missed, as I would've used it to do so. Thanks! --Sajuuk 22:44, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the high resolution Durmstrang crest! I was able to edit it down to use for a Viktor Krum cosplay (uploaded to the Durmstrang page in case others need for the same purpose) Jmeerkat (talk) 21:47, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion on forums

Hey there Seth Cooper! I'm sending this post out to a number of active contributors of the HPW. I'm looking to find out your opinions on this proposal, which could help to improve the community aspect of the HPW and bring in more editors to the wiki. Please leave your opinions on that topic when you get the chance. Thanks!

PS: To attract more discussion on this proposal, it might be a good idea to update the Community Messages module to include a link to the proposal. Granted it's probably going to do very little, but it might have some effect. (it needs to be updated anyway as it still has a link to my Content Mod request). --Sajuuk 15:10, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

No worries on the vote thing. I wasn't too sure how the policy worked for that, so that's fine.
As for the bot: that'll need a community consensus, hence the RFP I made. But if you and a couple of sysops were in agreement in using my bot, then Wikia wouldn't probably mind about not having a public discussion on it and would grant the bot flag (you'd need to ask them through Special:Contact/general about that though).
If the title template doesn't work now, a bot will probably need to be used to remove its use throughout the wiki. Personally, I've seen a few wiki's with that template and the template hasn't worked in a long time. So it's probably just legacy code that people keep using on older wiki's that doesn't work any more (it should be removed from common.js as well). --Sajuuk 18:55, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

Main Page Stuck in Effectually Infinite Loop?

Seth, the Main Page is horrendously overwhelmed with continuous attempts to load things, mainly adds in .mp4 format. I was barely able to copy down

GET 200 OK 278ms tlvplay...in_Page (line 56) GET 200 OK 276ms tlvplay...in_Page (line 56) GET 200 OK 269ms

Before new things make it disappear from a list that is replaced by new GET calls. It has been doing this non-stop for over TEN MINUTES. I did a reset a minute ago to the error list. Already Firebug gives the error:

"NetworkError: 504 GATEWAY_TIMEOUT -"

And the warnings:

oss-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). 2 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). 2 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). 2 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing). Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at (Reason: CORS header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' missing).

I hope this service in some way makes up for the personal animosity. It's now been about 5 minutes since I cleared out the previous messages from Firebug and the log limit for Firebug has been exceeded by 239 messages.   Tepheris |Lenom animated avatar by tepheris|  Send Patronus  16:49, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

None of that appears for me, it's probably bad ads, which you should report to Wikia. Nobody here has any control over the ads. You can also turn off ads through Special:Preferences. --Sajuuk 16:53, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I just wanted to let you know that, while creating my user page, I created a userbox for Castelobruxo supporters (see template here). I wanted to know if this is appropriate (ok, I really should've asked this before doing it!) If not, please do delete it and let me know. I'm sorry if it is an inconvenience! Thank you for your time!

Killian Jones 19:52, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


Thank you! Killian Jones 21:43, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Little Hangleton graveyard

I was going through Category:Buried at Little Hangleton graveyard and I noticed a bunch of articles created by Danniesen: Rod Freddy, Charles Epanel, Gulray, Charles Pikal, Eddi Stoddy. These are apparently based on transcriptions from gravestones in the Goblet of Fire video game. They seem questionable to me, though, given their creator, so I was wondering if you would be able to confirm them, as you have experience with the games. Starstuff (Owl me!) 06:02, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Reliable source?

The articles on Stuart Gibson and Kieran McAuliffe, actors who apparently appeared in Half-Blood Prince as members of the Slytherin Quidditch team, were deleted a few years back for lack of a reliable source. I was revisiting just now and noticed that there are pictures of several Slytherin Quidditch team sweaters under the Half-Blood Prince menu that are apparently part of the site owner's collection of props. There are close-ups of labels in the sweaters, and they read Kieran McAuliffe, Stuart Gibson, and David Fletcher. Would this be considered sufficient confirmation that actors of these names appeared in the HBP film? Starstuff (Owl me!) 08:00, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Antidote deletion debate

Hi, I need a debate resolution. This user marked a six year old page that no one else seems to have a problem with for deletion. I thought considering I was getting annoyed with the debate, and it was a two person debate, I would inform you, let you judge. The link to the talk page is Here. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:51, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Deletion process

This ties into the request above. So, a couple of weeks ago, Sajuuk unilaterally implemented a change to the way deletion discussions are handled, moving them to article talk pages instead of the centralized Category talk:Candidates for deletion page. I caught this a few hours after the fact and undid the changes, explaining that completely overhauling the way an established procedure is handled isn't acceptable without first obtaining community consensus. He explained that he proposed his ideas on the Wizengamot forum a month ago, and when it got no response, he went ahead with implementing the changes. I explained that a lack of response wasn't the same as consensus, and didn't mean it was okay to proceed with overhauling an established community procedure. I suggested individually contacting people and asking them to weigh in to build a response.

Flash forward to today. Sajuuk nominated two articles (Alex Brock and Antidote to Veritaserum) for deletion, but instead of posting the discussion to the "Candidates for deletion" page, as is standard practice, he posted them on the article talk pages. I called him out for ignoring the established procedure after I'd explained to him a few weeks previously that this is how we do things, and if you want to change it, you'll need to get consensus. I find it very disrespectful for him to try to do an end run around established procedure and force us to adopt his preferred method of holding deletion discussions. He basically said he thinks the way we do things is silly and he'll continue to do it his way because he thinks it's more logical.

It needs to be communicated to him that he has to respect our policies and procedures, even if he doesn't like them. Starstuff (Owl me!) 22:36, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Nearly every other wiki on the internet uses the article's talkpage to discuss a deletion tag: they do not centralise deletion discussion on a category talkpage. Even Wikipedia uses article talkpages to discuss deletions of the article in question, not some other talkpage. I'm not going to say anything more on the matter, as it is clear that people do not want to use talkpages the way they were designed to be used in the first place and think it's fine to ignore standard wiki practice that 99% of wiki's have used for decades.
As a Wikia Star, I suspect you've already seen proper uses of a talkpage from other wiki's, so should be able to see that I'm doing nothing wrong and that Starstuff is overreacting unnecessarily over someone doing something in the correct (and standardised wiki) way.
I thought that we're supposed to "be bold" about editing a wiki and improve things if we feel it helps overall? Stringently following policies and not allowing lee-way to editors is neither helpful or productive to improving a wiki, it just stifles the community and prevents people trying to showcase appropriate methods of discussing article improvements.
I also find it very rude that Starstuff goes around leaving huge walls of text on your talkpage complaining about other users when they feel like they're not being listened to. Sysop rights are not editor tools and they're not supposed to be used to "force" or "dictate" wiki operations.
To be quite honest, I might as well not bother with any mainspace stuff and just focus on the maintenance of this wiki (ie image renames and cleanup). Clearly I'm not "experienced" to be editing the mainspace here. --Sajuuk 10:49, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
You've repeatedly claimed that "99% of wikis" conduct deletion discussions on article talk pages. The reality, however, is that every wiki is unique, and there are many ways in which they handle deletion discussions:
There is no single, universally-accepted, "right" way of handling deletion discussions. Some ways are arguably more efficient than others, and if a community's current method isn't working as well as it should, they can always adopt another (I wouldn't be opposed to converting to a system along the lines of Wookieepedia's). But, ultimately, each community sets its own standards.
The "be bold" principle is intended to apply to editing articles. If anyone could "be bold" and simply implement whatever policy changes and community procedure overhauls they wanted, it would be very easy for well-meaning editors to unintentionally break things, and less-than-well-meaning ones to intentionally cause disruption or try to rewrite policy in their favour. This is why we have to be a lot more cautious and secure consensus before implementing changes to policy and procedure. Starstuff (Owl me!) 21:53, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Non-canon images


I was just wondering about the wiki's stance on non-canonical images, because I wanted to add pictures to pages like the rougarou page, but we don't actually have any canonical  pictures of the creature.


Felix Scamander (talk) 16:03, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Date links

Hey - noticed that you've changed the date link for Henry Shaw Jr back from 1926 to 1920s although the year for the rally is specifically 1926. Given that the number of known events for 1926 is growing rapidly and will likely warrent its own page, setting links to the specific years lays the groundwork now, but the redirection page handles the redirect to the decade until the work of splitting out individual years is done. It's unclear what the value of linking a known specific year to a general decade is. Thoughts?

ETA: Thanks for the reply - I'll make the changes. FYI I'll be spending some time on the timeline pages so there will be a variety of edits like this to help breakdown very busy decades (1920s & 1950s for now) into individual years.


Ironyak1 (talk) 01:17, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Reference List Styling

It appears that the Insert - References method in the visual editor creates a <references /> tag whereas older pages use the {{Reflist}} tag. The {{Reflist}} option has a <div class="references-small" };"> line so its items have smaller text than the <references /> items. Is there guidance on when one or the other should be used? Thanks Ironyak1 (talk) 07:57, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply - that's the conclusion I had come to so I moved any Notes and references sections I made to Reflist

Date Templates Style

I would like to get your thoughts on removing the box outline from the 20th century and Decades date templates (eg 1950s) . This would help the text fit and belong better on the page and align with the other centuries fomat (eg 12th century). It's a simple change - just need to take out the class=toc styling, but wanted to get an admin's perspective before changing templates found on many pages. Cheers Ironyak1 (talk) 09:20, April 16, 2016 (UTC)


Hi. I'm asking this directly to your talkpage, rather than elsewhere, since it seems like nobody is interested: do you trust me to run a bot on this wiki? If so, can you contact Wikia via Special:Contact/general and make the request for them to flag User:SajuukBot as one. If needed, you can ask other sysops if they trust me to run a bot. I feel it would be a good idea to have one to remove useless templates, such as {{Title}} and {{Activeusers}}, as it'll take too long to do this manually.

PS: I saw your other message, but have not had the chance to respond. I took your comments on boards however. --Sajuuk 10:47, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Bumping this talkpage post for attention. --Sajuuk 07:43, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
Further bump. --Sajuuk 10:51, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Notes and references

Hey - sorry to be a bother, but hoping to get some clarity on the preferred use of the Notes and references section. I'm trying to sort out Armando Dippet's timeline and am finding that much of his biography is speculation based on certain events from the books. Many of the articles on these events have vaguely or incorrectly summarized the source material. In order to provide clarity I've included a short attributed quote in the Notes section so it's clear what the sources say for enabling discussion and establishing a solid chain of evidence.

SuperSajuuk removed the quote as unecessary and it not being just a plain reference link. He seems to feel that the section is just for references, despite the many examples of articles that provide additional info, examples, reasoning and other footnote like information. ETA: 1970s, (which I haven't edited) is a great example of using quotes with refs to support facts and a model to follow for establishing strong evidence chains IMHO.

Is the extra source context quotes I'm adding to some key event pages now an unallowed breaking of preferred styles and practices? The current page in question is Defence Against the Dark Arts and you can see his talk page and mine for our discussion on the issue.

Thanks (again) Ironyak1 (talk) 19:30, April 17, 2016 (UTC)

Block evasion

User:HarryPotterRules1's two-month block for user harassment expired yesterday. However, last week, while still under the block, they posted a message on my message wall at Community Central (didn't see it until today). Contacting a user about an HP wiki-related matter through an alternative channel because one has been blocked on HP wiki clearly constitutes block evasion. What do you think should we do? I don't think we should let it slide. Starstuff (Owl me!) 13:10, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Starstuff, that is permitted per Wikia's policy on blocks. Users are allowed to message the blocking admin on Community Central (once) if they've been blocked on a wiki if they feel that a neutral area for discussion on the block is more appropriate.
There is nothing wrong about it and if that is considered block evasion here, you would possible be setting a terrible precedent for the whole service, as others will replicate it.
However, a quick look at the post shows it's not really related to the block, but I don't see the post being worthy of another user block.
Just making that clear for future instances of this. --Sajuuk 13:37, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
This user evidentally thinks they are above our policies and that their opinions regarding my edits to an article are so critical that they were justified in circumventing a block in order to contact me. Given the severity of the harassment of C. Syde that landed them the two-month block, a continuing pattern of hounding other users should not be tolerated, especially not when it involves deliberate block evasion. If they were truly committed to changing their ways, they would have waited a week for the block to expire, then posted on the article talk page. Starstuff (Owl me!) 15:46, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

You do know I can read these pages, right? It's not immune to being read by me. The block on here -- the thing that comes up when you try to edit a page -- didn't give a date, and I took a guess at being close to it as I couldn't find the correct date (I didn't write it down and couldn't find the post.). --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:38, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Luis Ollivander Weasley bogus

Report Post Luis Ollivander Weasley bogus. Please remove Luis Ollivander Weasley out of here spam. Invisibility 08:35, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Wizarding World of Harry Potter

Have you heard or been to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Studios? There are no strings on me (talk) 17:11, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


Hi! We at PLL Wiki would like to affiliate you you guys.

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Randomized Quotes - Snape

Sorry to bother, just looking for some input from a higher power. I added a <choose><option> feature to Severus Snape to allow for a random quote to be displayed, instead of the common back-and-forth edits to restore someone's favorite top quote. This change was undone as being too "extreme", but I'd like to restore it. The current discussion is here, any input you have is appreciated! --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:48, May 3, 2016 (UTC)


Could you please join me on the chat about something? I don't feel comfortable discussing on a talkpage where my message is likely not going to get read or responded to, and would prefer live chatting. --Sajuuk 15:51, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Yo, I really enjoyed the small chat we had! I'll be in chat all day, as I need to ask you something else as well. --Sajuuk 10:50, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
If not able to join chat, then just wondering if you could post on this topic regarding the bot rights. I've scratched out the request for sysop rights, as that's not gonna happen. --Sajuuk 11:17, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Whenever you get the chance to join the chat again, please do so. --Sajuuk 13:18, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Bumping. --Sajuuk 18:21, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

user rights

Please remove my user rights, thanks, ba-bye User talk:BachLynn23 16:11, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, apparently I can remove my own rights, didn't need you after all, I don't see how why is relevant, there's really no point in discussing it as it won't change my issues and reasons for wanting to remove association with this wiki so it's just easier if we go our separate ways for good. User talk:BachLynn23 16:22, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Seth Cooper thank you so much for all the infomations that you shared till now. I read all these articles since long years. I am a real Potterhead with loads of archives and collection. I would love to make any addition and support i can in wikia threads also (sorry for my english - i am not a native speaker) I dont know how to use the wikia very well due to language difficulties and all. I have a request also, i was despately looking for HP Stage to screen collectors edition scans. I believe you had shared them here once. Would it be possible for you to share them with me? It is a rather expensive and valuable set but there are replica details that i would love to work on in that book. Thank you already now. I wıill be following you as always and i hope you will be there for us in fantastic beasts movie too. With my kindest regards. --Junenight2010 (talk) 10:51, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


I am off to Orlando this evening -- so won't be here for a few weeks -- and I was wondering: if I take pictures of portraits and stuff in the Harry Potter section, can they be used on the wiki for canon images of portraits, statues, etc? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 10:55, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


In looking at my source for this set of cards, it has "Flavour Text" info like the little quotes eg 'Training for the ballet, Potter? yelled Malfoy, as Harry was forced to do a stupid kind of twirl in mid-air to dodge the Bludger.'

Thoughts on if this should be added:

  • To the Trading Card Game infobox - Information field along with the Effect text
  • To a new FlavourText or Quote field in Trading Card Game infobox
  • Onto the page as a top quote
  • Other?

Any feedback on a preferred approach is appreciated! --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:12, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the input - just wanted to get a second pair of eyes on the matter before I slot in those 140 pages. After that, I'll backfill the gaps in the previous sets and then we'll then have the most complete collection of info about the TCG I do believe. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 13:31, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Quote Template

Is there any chance the Quote template can be modified to make the second argument optional like the third? For the TCG cards, a lot of the FlavourText is not a direct character quote, but I can't leave the second argument optional because of the trailing emphasis dash.

"It definitely wasn't his favourite way to travel.'"

So I've been appending some general attribution but it's a bit clunky.

"It definitely wasn't his favourite way to travel.'"
—Card quote

Not sure if having a non attributed quote has other uses but it seems to fit here and not would not require a new template (or inserting the spans directly). Any thoughts? --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:57, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Link Templates

I'm hoping you might be able to take a look at the Forum - Link Template discussion. SuperSajuuk and I have spent some time working through several different options and have found an approach that should work well for both Article and Reference links for the common sources. Any input you have is much appreciated! Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 00:56, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

User:SuperSajuuk and I have finished up these link templates that allow for quick and consistent links to the major sources for use in both Appearances and References. Please check the forum discussion on this matter and provide any feedback as we are ready to move these into wider use throughout the site. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 01:51, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

Block request

BourkyGuard vandalised Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and then proceeded to vandalise his user talkpage. Please block when possible. Thanks. --Sajuuk 17:02, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

Policy discussions

I recently opened a couple of discussions on the Wizengamot forum proposing changes to policy. The first proposal concerns adding new guidelines on the listing of family members in character infoboxes to HPW:CIFG. The second proposal concerns updating our formal policy on the use of copyrighted material (such as screenshots from the films) to bring it into line with current practice. If you have time, feel free to check out these discussions, and contribute your thoughts and suggestions. Starstuff (Owl me!) 00:03, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Forum vote

I could use your input on how to proceed with the forum system vote. HPW:VP stipulates that votes should be closed by the admin who opened them, but since BachLynn has since retired, I'm unsure where that leaves us. Do you think the vote has had enough time, and, if so, would it be acceptable for one of us to close it? Starstuff (Owl me!) 02:28, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Rollback rights

User:ArrestoMomentum has requested rollback rights twice in the last few months. The first time, the request failed due to insufficient votes, obtaining only one vote of support from User:Harry granger. The second request has garnered just one vote (a support vote from me) after being open for over a month. No one has objected to the prospect of ArrestoMomentum being granted rollback rights thus far, so rather than make ArrestoMomentum repeatedly request rights until the three positive votes technically needed have been obtained, I'd say we skip the formalities and go ahead with granting rollback rights. Starstuff (Owl me!) 02:44, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Would you mind closing the forum the vote then? I fear I was a bit too involved in the discussion to be neutral. Starstuff (Owl me!) 00:05, May 28, 2016 (UTC)
Not that it affects the outcome, but as a point of order, from HPW:VP: "The administrator who has begun a process may not partake in the voting directly, in order to ensure impartiality during the closing of the vote." seems to indicate that BachLynn23's vote should not be tallied? Just looking for clarity on the policy as the intent of ensuring impartiality seems worth preserving IMO. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 07:14, May 28, 2016 (UTC)


Do you have a facebook/twitter or some sort of other non-wiki method of communication that you use regularly? I am starting to feel like I'm hitting a persistent brick wall with the lack of any outcomes on this wiki and need to chat with you in private. --Sajuuk 17:37, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

Bumping. And I'm probably going to keep bumping this until you respond to something. --Sajuuk 11:34, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
I know I'm no part of this, and I know that it's tough when someone doesn't respond, but isn't that kinda bugging them? ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 12:04, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
If you look at the sysop list, you'll see we have just 4 sysops on the wiki (as in, those who actually "edit"), but getting any discussion to be approved or lead to change is 100% impossible. At this point, the only method of getting attention from a sysop is to harass them over and over until they respond. It's not something people should be doing, but we are forced to do it nonetheless. --Sajuuk 12:10, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
I guess. Maybe the wiki itself needs a better system of communication. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 12:14, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
I already took the initiative to start a discussion on that, but like every other discussion on the wiki, the discussion dies out because sysops abandon the discussion after making a solitary post, which means change never happens and we're stuck with a system that is clearly not working. --Sajuuk 12:16, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
Bump. I'm in chat atm if you are able to join there. --Sajuuk 17:08, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Millicent Bulstrode pic

Hi there - there is discussion about whether File:HP2-0143.jpg is in fact Millicent Bulstrode. As you assigned this pic to Millicent, was wondering if you could weigh in with your reasoning why. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 04:38, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler Alerts

There is a current Forum discussion about whether or not there should be spoiler alerts like the one for {Pottermore} on the wiki. Given the recent Pottermore video where JKR expresses her strong hope that the fandom doesn't spoil the Cursed Child experience for fellow fans by giving away all the secrets, I am suggesting that any page with material from the Cursed Child play has a spoiler alert warning added until 31 July, when the screenplay comes out and everyone has equal opportunity to be informed. Others feel that there should never be any spoiler alerts on the wiki. Any thoughts you have on the matter is appreciated. --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:42, May 25, 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for the awards! I'll do my best to not boss around any first year midgets and keep working towards my own Chocolate Frog card ;) --Ironyak1 (talk) 03:46, May 29, 2016 (UTC)

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