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Fleur Delacour Edit
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Hello. Regarding Voldemort's name, we can absolutely be sure his name was "Tom" and not "Thomas" as you have added to the article. On chapter 13 of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Mrs. Cole gives us an account of Merope Gaunt's arrival at the orphanage when Tom was born.
- "I remember she said to me, 'I hope he looks like his papa,' and I won't lie, she was right to hope it, because she was no beauty — and then she told me he was to be named Tom, for his father, and Marvolo, for her father — yes, I know, funny name, isn't it? We wondered whether she came from a circus — and she said the boy's surname was to be Riddle."
- —Mrs. Cole (emphasis added).[src]
Merope did not say he was to be named "Thomas", she said "Tom, for his father". This pretty much clears it that Voldemort's name is Tom, not Thomas. Besides, the whole chapter seems to make a point that Tom is the actual boy's name: Dumbledore refers to him as "Tom Riddle" when stating his purpose there to Mrs. Cole (highly unlikely he would refer to the boy by a nickname; further backed up by the fact that his name is known to Dumbledore via the Magical Quill, which writes the Hogwarts students' names) and the fact that Riddle is visibly annoyed that his name is a common one like "Tom". Surely he would prefer people to call him "Thomas" if that was his name. But no mention of that is made in the chapter. Besides, as Dumbledore himself puts it, later that same chapter:
- "Firstly, I hope you noticed Riddle's reaction when I mentioned that another shared his first name, 'Tom'? There he showed his contempt for anything that tied him to other people, anything that made him ordinary. Even then, he wished to be different, separate, notorious. He shed his name, as you know, within a few short years of that conversation and created the mask of 'Lord Voldemort' behind which he has been hidden for so long."
- —Albus Dumbledore (emphasis added)[src]
Besides, your claims that Voldemort used "Tom" as a nickname are backed nowhere in canon. --19:15, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Also, in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, he uses his full name of "Tom Marvolo Riddle" to make the anagram "I am Lord Voldemort", and in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, the names on the Riddles' graves are "Thomas Riddle", "Mary Riddle", and "Tom Riddle", no mention of I or II.
Please stop. You have persistently engaged in edit warring over the Tom Riddle page, after your edits have been repeatedly proven to go against all available canonical evidence. If you continue with this counter-productive behaviour you will be subject to a cool-down block lasting a few days. Thank you. -- 12:10, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
- "Is there anything that is INCONTREVERTIBLE, UNCONTRADICTABLE or ABSOLUTE that Tom isn't his full name but a nickname and Thomas is his full birth first name?" I would think that the fact that the author of the series says so would be enough absolute evidence of that.
- At the risk of repeating myself, Mrs. Cole says in chapter 13 of Half-Blood Prince that "he was to be named Tom, for his father". Period. He was not to be named Thomas. Even if his father was Thomas (which wasn't the case, see paragraph below), Mrs. Cole would have registered him as "Tom Marvolo Riddle" as it was his mother's dying wish to her. When Dumbledore arrives at the orphanage for the first time, he refers to him as "Tom Riddle". If Tom wasn't his actual name, how on earth would Dumbledore know everybody called him that before actually meeting him or anyone who lived with him? Why wouldn't he say he wanted to talk with "Tommy Riddle"? For all Dumbledore knew at that point, the other orphans could call him that. No, Dumbledore is on official Hogwarts business, and while doing so, he wouldn't (and couldn't!) refer to students using nicknames he would not even know that applied to Tom. Thus, logically, he referred to Riddle by his true, actual name; Tom Riddle. Besides, the whole point of Dumbledore (and later Harry, in Deathly Hallows) repeatedly treating Voldemort as "Tom" when speaking to him, is to show that no nickname (like Voldemort or You-Know-Who) can hide who he is and who he was. It would be self-defeating for them to deliberately not call him by the name he adopted late in his life, just to call him by a nickname and not his real name.
- Tom Riddle Sr. is never referred to as "Thomas", nor as Tom Riddle I (or II, whatever). In fact, Dumbledore (who does definitely know Voldemort was born to Tom Riddle) specifically refers to him like Tom Riddle Sr:
- "Yes, that was Tom Riddle senior, the handsome Muggle who used to go riding past the Gaunt cottage and for whom Merope Gaunt cherished a secret, burning passion."
- —Dumbledore, chapter 10, Half-Blood Prince
- You say the Riddles might have been buried under the names they were best known as. Ok. Your evidence being? There is absolutely zero evidence in canon to even suggest that is true. As such, we mustn't presume he ("daddy Riddle") was actually called "Thomas" just because he might. That would be preposterous: next thing we would be doing is changing all references of a "Harry Potter" to a "Harold Potter", based on the blatant speculation "Harry" just might be the diminutive form of Harold.
- "As I previously pointed out, Voldemort may have only used "Tom Marvolo Riddle" as it made the perfectly neat anagram of "I am Lord Voldemort"". Oh please. This may be the most far-fetched of your reasonings and does not actually prove anything. With "Thomas" he could make up an entirely different alias, after all "Voldemort" isn't a real word at all. For all we know he could have liked "I am Lord Vohldesmorta". -- 01:14, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Bumping this as you seem to need a reminder that Voldemort's given name is Tom, not Thomas. -Shorty1982 02:52, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Please stop. Adding all of that information in parenthesis completely messeses up the formatting of the infobox and there is no need to add the same categories multiple times. ProfessorTofty
Trio article Edit
The Trio article is a disambiguation page for the popular fanon term to refer to the three main characters of the series. It is NOT a listing of main characters, so no one else belongs on that page. The term Quartet is not in popular fan use. -- 1337star (Owl Post) 19:37, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Your recent edits Edit
Twice recently (on the Tom Riddle page) you have added information (since reverted) which has included a needless "span" container. I've seen this happen so often (with different users on multiple wikis) that I'm sure it's another bug in the visual editor. What I'm saying is, be more careful with your edits, and switch to the source editor if possible. — RobertATfm (talk) 08:59, April 30, 2013 (UTC)