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This is an archive of my talk page from 19:36, August 12, 2007 thru 03:41, September 17, 2007. Please do not edit this page, if you need to contact me use my talk page. Thanks.


Sadly.... Syugecin

Thanks for the help anyways.

Hello

I was wondering if you'd be willing to chat. Syugecin

Sure, what's going on? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 18:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't look at other people's talk pages after a message, I'm glad you caught on. Could you kinda give me an idea of the editing style used here? I come from here so my style is different. I hope it doesn't bother you. Thanks. Syugecin
I'm not sure there is a particular style - the policy here doesn't seem to be incredibly extensive. I was actually going to talk to one of the administrators about it...is there anything in particular you were wondering about when you ask "style"? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
D'ya think there's a problem with me deleting the Phoenix pictures and making Luna a disambig? Syugecin
Not at all. That same IP did a similar thing with all Death Eaters yesterday, I didn't get around to editing each one out though. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
It's kind of pointless as the Category does that already. Well. I'll get around to doing the Death Eaters later. Thanks for the help and reassurance. Syugecin
I agree. Plus he's doing it manually, not even using a template. Waste of time. Good luck. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Templates

Hey, DarkJedi613. Nice work on the templates and infoboxes. Just wondering if you had any plans to make something like an In Use template or Clean-up template a la Wookieepedia? An In Use template would be useful to me during rewrites.

Also, re Syugecin's comments on editing style above - I'm editing in the Wookiee style myself 'cos its been banged into me :). If you were going to the admins with an idea for a "manual of style" then I'd be interested in helping. - Cavalier One 21:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the in use template. And no problem editing my parchment page! I caught a couple of the name switches, but didn't get them all I guess. I've been editing to the Wookiee style, too, mainly 'cos I've gotten used to it. But we should definitely propose a manual of style for this wiki and get uniformility on the articles. - Cavalier One 06:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Fred and George

Could you help? I hope those look right. Syugecin

I'm not sure if they can be considered Order members. But they we're allowed at certain talks. I'd leave it as is for now. But be my guest to do so if you see fit. Syugecin

Layout guide

Looks good to me, very comprehensive. The only suggestion I have is changing the appearances layout to the one I used in the Ginny Weasley article that separates the various mediums into subsections (book, film, game, etc), mainly because I think it looks neater. But otherwise, I think that it's a great piece of work, regardless of whether or not you take my suggestion on board. Kudos! I very much hope it is accepted. - Cavalier One 22:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I see where you're going on the chronological issue. Maybe just a list then, without the subsections, since I feel that indent bulleting the films and games looks untidy. Precedent should be book-film-game? In response to Syugecin's comment on relationships, though, I feel that is a needed section to further explore the complex relationships between certain characters, especially the main ones, and to cover the complexities of any romantic relationships. Again, see my rewrite on the Ginny Weasley article - a lot of the info there wouldn't work in any of the main sections. - Cavalier One 16:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I edited the Ginny page to use the new appearances layout, and applied it to my Charlie rewrite, too, so you can check out how they look. Let me know when you submit the layout guide, and I'll voice my support. - Cavalier One 22:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Style

Wow. I didn't realize I could give that opinion. The only difference I see needed is that the relationships thing is unnecessary. We could just write that in the life sections. ^_^ Syugecin


Thicknesse Minister Until LV's Death

Percy even called Thicknesse "Minister" at the Battle of Hogwarts.Thicknesse was nominal minister with LV pulling the strings from the day Scrimgeour was killed until the day LV died,with no period that LV "succeeded" Thicknesse.--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 23:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

In Universe

Hi! Got your message. Regarding your question about Kennilworthy Whisp, well, see, the particular "flavor" of this wiki is that it is based entirely in the HP universe. So everything that is in the HP universe we assume to be real. That means as few references as possible to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Harry Potter and the Something-or-Other, J. K. Rowling, etc. I know, it sounds a bit impractical, though the older editors, me included, used to bypass that by saying stuff like "Muggle author J. K. Rowling, in her account of Harry Potter's seventh year at Hogwarts, Harry Potter and the Blablabla". There have been many "passing through" editors who, judging by their actions, never bothered to read the policy page and, therefore, the in-universe rule of this site, and commenced to add scores of out-of-universe references to various character pages. I haven't had the time to fix all of these OOU refs and sources yet, and I don't think I will ever get to change all of them, but they're not supposed to be there. To quote Zahi Hawass, "The masses do not write history." Especially if those masses hardly take the time to stay and get to know the editing guidelines. Anyway, hope I got that cleared up. If you have any more questions about this, I am always available for comment, though it might take a couple of days until I log on again. Be assured that once I see your message, though, I'll get back to you pronto. Cheers! The Chosen One (Choose me!) 08:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see your predicament. Hmm... the Layout Guide is pretty good for a rough draft, considering it was based on Wookiepedia's, there's just the little snag of trying to combine in-universe and out-of-universe information. Now let's see, this wiki was supposed to store every bit of info on the HP universe, even those seemingly inconsequential details deemed not good enough for Wikipedia, so yes, we will have to present IU and OU trivia and refs... we used to do that by dressing up OU as IU, but with Behind the Scenes and all that stuff, that will be a challenge.... Okay, how about this: we regard all the OU authors, films, games, books, such, as OU and put a notice (?) at the top of the page, something like "Muggles only", but the rest of the stuff, everything made, done, and written IU will be treated as such, except for external references at the bottom of the page and the little tags showing which book they came from. Still, with trivia in a character page, people will want to know which actor/actress portrayed such-and-such character, and that will present another inconsistency. I don't know, let's just leave that for until later. Or we could try to merge the two universes somehow, perhaps treat the books as a biography of Harry? That seems the only way we can place OU and IU info side by side, segregating them like Muslims in a mosque seems nigh impossible. If it works for Wookiepedia, it should work for us - but then again, we aren't Wookiepedia. I'll have to think this through, why don't you post the draft on CommPortal and ask for suggestions? We already have a community to speak of, so let's try get some comments from them, too. I'll get back to you when I've found a way around this. The Chosen One (Choose me!) 08:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Well I suppose doing that wouldn't kill me (augh! It's killing me already!) or the unique character of the site. Perhaps we could put up a "Muggle template" or something like that for OOU sections, where the trivia would make sense only to Muggles. Yeah, we could do that. About the CommPortal, well, actually, you make propositions or discussions on Harry Potter Wiki talk:Community Portal and not the CP itself - if my protective charms still hold, you won't be able to make a dent on the CP, you'll have to back up some ways to find the template codes. Anyway, where were we? Oh yes, adding a topic to the HPWTalk:CommPortal is just like adding a new topic to a talk page: you just click the little plus sign at the top of the screen next to edith and then type whatever you fancy. You can add a link to your Layout Guide draft, ask the people what they think, and you should have a response by the end of the day. Speaking of layout, though, almost all the articles in this wiki are mangled beyond recognition (okay, but a little exaggeration ain't gonna hurt), and we don't have any organized movement to repair or rehabilitate them. I guess that'll be the next step to fixing this place up, getting the rest of the editors to rewrite those articles. I really think rewriting is much harder than composing something from scratch, don't you agree? Especially when everything is out of logical, chronological, or whatever-other-logical order there is. Anyway, it's getting late here, better wrap up stuff and get to bed. Wishing a nice day, and cheers - The Chosen One (Choose me!) 20:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Come to think of it, Horcrux, one of the first articles I edited and expanded, has a bit of an OOU in there (Horcruxes outside the HP universe). I think if we contextualize the information and tweak it a little, any article can have IU and OU stuff coexisting within it. Just a matter of style and layout. Speaking of layout, I think your guide is pretty good for most articles, but we shouldn't force each one to conform to the same guide. Think of the monotony our readers will have to face; besides, some articles just won't fit into that type (ex. Deathly Hallows). I think we're all creative enough to bypass that obstacle though. Oh, and nice job on the killeaning spree you and Comet are doing, very fast work. Just don't type faster than your angels can read. :p Cheers. The Chosen One (Choose me!) 05:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Adminnie

Can I nominate you? =O Syugecin

Stubs on books

Hey - noticed you're put stubs on a couple of the book entries (The Beaters' Bible, The Wonder of Wigtown Wanderers). Just to let you know that all the info I could find on them is already in the article, so the stub tag might not be necessary. - Cavalier One 12:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, some of them can be expanded, but a lot of the ones from Quidditch Through the Ages are very short, brief mentions. - Cavalier One 12:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


Delete

Are you going to make me delete all images on this wiki..hehehe ..I'll leave many for you to delete..OK .. ;)..--Cometstyles 22:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Black Family Tree

Hi. Just touring through the wiki, and I realised we need something in the Appearances section for the Black Family Tree, since all the information on it derives from an OOU source. Would linking it to the Black Family tree page be acceptable do you think? Any ideas? - Cavalier One 09:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's a reasonable compromise. Just tag it all with a reference. Maybe a link to the Black Family tree in a See Also section as well? At least it gets a proper mention that way. - Cavalier One 11:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Dumbledore's Start Year Etc.

I think that 1956 is inferred from reference in PRINCE that directly contradicts other reference in PRISONER.(Lupin was not born in 1956,but said that Dumbledore's becoming Head improved what had been poor prospects that he would be allowed to attend Hogwarts).I'm not sure Rowling has specifically addressed the contradiction.As for mdashes,I favor their total elimination!!--L.E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 05:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Do you think the spell pages should be by their incantation or name? The ones having no given incantation should be kept as is but things like Silencio should either stay or be [[Silencing charm]]. The frequently gone but never completely, Syu

Book infobox

Um ... that's nice to know, but I didn't create it! Ginerva Potter Jr. did. I just made some minor edits to it so it ran ok ;) - Cavalier One 17:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they could be mostly done away with. Last and latest are really needed, but first appearance maybe? Of course, just listing it in the appearances section would work, and then all three fields could be ommitted. - Cavalier One 17:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, an appearances section just covers everything, but I reckon there will be a lot of flak if you suggest moving it from the character boxes, etc. Still, saying that, it is nice to know where each character first appeared without scrolling down to the bottom of the page ^shrug^. I'd say remove it from the book template 'cause its unimportant, but keep on the character. - Cavalier One 17:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Not really. I think all the relevant info is there - publication date, author, etc. Can't think of anything else expect a publisher field. A few of the books have known publishers. - Cavalier One 17:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, excellent. And, yes, I do own both the books. The joys of eBay! Only got them a week ago :) - Cavalier One 18:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

Apparently you too are already aware of your new status. Though I did not have the honors of promoting you personally, I believe the power to congratulate you on your promotion still resides with me. Be sure to abuse your powers whenever you can with great discretion and try not to get involved in any wiki politics. And always treat your fellow admins like senile octogenarians with respect and try to get along as much as possible. May your decisions never compromise this fledgling project of ours or turn it into a turgid, farcical nephew of Wikipedia. Which is pretty much the same thing. Again, many congratulations - I would propose a toast, but I do not have the drinks ready, so instead - cheers - The Chosen One (Choose me!) 17:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh... I'm sure you'll do just fine, like C.O.. You guys are the best thing that has happened to this wiki since it was founded, and I'm not exaggerating. Say, I happen to have a few questions for you, do you think we could talk a while on the IRC channel? The Chosen One (Choose me!) 18:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'll just e-mail you. The Chosen One (Choose me!) 18:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I sent you an email, quite urgent, I need a reply asap. Sorry to pressure you but I'm working on a very tight schedule. Thanks! The Chosen One (Choose me!) 13:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

More congratulations

Congrats on the promotion fellow new admin! Look forward to working closely with you. - Cavalier One 22:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Grats on the adminnieship. I hope I can join you later (Like that'll happen). For spell infoboxes? should I put the incantation in the name slot? Thanks. Syugecin

Agsh... No I don't intend on creating categories for everything. It's too tiring. Anyways... Syugecin


When Sourcing is Stupid

Box office data for films is released by studios to a variety of aggregators from which it is picked up by a variety of media and websites,some of which also get it from the studios directly.The same number is promptly found all over within hours.

  • It is irrelevant which of these sources you pick a particular day's number up from.
  • If you mention which one you picked it up from,you are effectively engaging in promotion of that site vis-a-vis its "competitors" in providing identical public information.

It is,in my opinion,very important not to single out the immediate source of the information.If you don't understand why it shouldn't be mentioned,I'll either go to a different site every time I update or stop contributing.--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 01:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

"Mediawiki policy",eh?(I did notice that the "citation needed" link is to a Wikipedia article and not one that gives a policy by the editors of this wiki).
I walked out of Wikipedia after thousands of contributions on a wide variety of subjects after I found the cliquishness and refusal to accept my preferences on even the narrowest of issues that matter to me became unendurable.I do hope that use of the Mediawiki software is not encumbered by obligation to agree with Wikipedia's views on how to use it.For myself,I regard being asked for a source as a statement that I am not trusted;much useful material can be gained solely through the anti-Wikipedian principles of original research and confidential sources.A site that limits itself to regurgitating facts already discovered elsewhere thereby becomes less,not more.In the present matter of course the issue is that the data is too ubiquitous for listing a particular source to be reasonable.Eventually the information would trace back to the office at Warner Brothers that tallies information from their exhibitors,and no intermediary should take its credit.Revision would not be needed "daily",but a
few times a week over the next few weeks.--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 03:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured Articles

Hi - check out the User:Cavalier One/Featured Article proposal for an update. I'm interested in your views. - Cavalier One 08:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Layout Part II

There isn't any substantial opposition to your guide (none, in fact), so I'd say, yes, go ahead and add a link to it. It would be good if you put a notice saying where you adapted the guide from, which types of articles it can be used for, any kinds of improvements you would like, etc. Re the British spellings, yes, there is a rule that the original spellings have to be used. This section of the CommPortal was the start of that rule: basically, the first commandment of this site should go: Rowling's Word is Law. From there follow the spelling, the theorizing, the dates, all the facts. Yes, come to think of it, I think I'll add that. Would make for nice reading. :p The Chosen One (Choose me!) 15:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Layout Guide

Nice to see that the layout guide is now official policy. Just a thought - how about amending the welcome template to include a link to it so all new users can find it easily? - Cavalier One 17:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Appearances section

I see that you reverted some of my edits on magical books... I just saw that "Appearances" section is listed at the Harry Potter Wiki:Layout guide and realize that the sections should be included within the articles, but just reverting another user's edits without explanation is not good. You should first discuss something if you have a disagreement over it with another editor and not just jump in and use your admin rollback without discussion... —Animagi/Prongs 00:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It's ok, no hard feelings.. btw, nice job on the layout guide! —Animagi/Prongs 00:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Heya

Hello Sir, DarkJedi613 ^_^

Anyways, to the point. Can we take out the "hand" thing in the spell infobox? There's only one spell that uses that part. We can just incorporate that into the article right? I just want your opinion before I take action. Did I just blow up? I hope not O_o (Syugecin)

Click on "one spell" in my previous message. I think I've found some spells that could use it... Me! Syugecin

See you around

I'm having the line disconnected now, just want to wish you good luck, hope nothing bad happens to any of you, and keep up the good work! I am authorizing the change of rights now; if you have any problems, don't hesitate to ask Wikia staff, okay? I'm sure you, Cv. O., Comet, and the rest will be fine, though.

See you soon, and cheers! The Chosen One (Choose me!) 08:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi (again). I've got a couple questions to ask (again). First, should we really have links to fansites or even the pages for things like Mugglenet? This makes it seem like we associate ourselves with them. I'm not sure we (or they) want that. It's not for me to decide but just think please. Seconded, do you think we could add a "light" section to the spell infobox? Certain spells like the Disarming Charm have certain coloured jets of light. Third, I'd like your opinion on this. I moved it from the article [[Relashio]]. Finally, do I bother you with these questions? Thanks ^_^ Syugecin

No. No. No. What I'm trying to ask is whether Relashio is the Revulsion Jinx mentioned on page 271 of DH or not. Syugecin
Righto. I don't really know much =P. Syugecin

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