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Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 06:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


Do you speak polish?Karu talk 19:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

No, but I speak English =) and French and ASL =) Mafalda Hopkirk 19:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not written in my dyscussion page? Can I help you in polish?Karutalk 20:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


OK. Its kinda confusing how I did it. Its a table with the headers in it. And then the longer "categories" all use the {{scroll box}} template. You can pretty much copy the code out of my User page if you want - doesn't bother me at all. So anyway, its a table with scroll boxes in it - not really a "template" persay. Hope that helps! If you have any more questions feel free to write back. I'm moving your comment to a new section though on my talk page - it doesn't really fit into the old one. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 23:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!! I'll look into it at another time, i'm exhausted right now. Too much typing i think for one day.. Mafalda Hopkirk 23:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Mafalda Hopkirk/Arch07. It has been determined that you are a trusted member of this community and that we benefit from your contributions. Upon request or through my own description, I have granted you rollback privileges. This tool can be used to quickly revert vandalism and maintain the quality of this wiki. Please remember to use this tool with discretion and never in a content dispute. You should now see a "rollback" link when viewing a user's contributions. Thanks, and happy editing. John Reaves (talk) 06:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Please remember only to use "rollback" on vandalism and with discretion, not on just to undo a user's edits. Thanks. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 19:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Woops, I guess i meant to use "undo", and did "rollback" instead. Thanks for telling me! Mafalda Hopkirk 19:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I slip occasionally and do hit the wrong one by mistake too. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

Thanks for keeping track of all the vandalism! I'll try to be on and off the rest of the night -- write my user page or try IRC if theres more. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yup, Page moves fixed and vandal "Expuloed"..Cheers..--Cometstyles 21:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

User page edit

Mafalda, I undid an edit on your User Page by Harry Potter Fantic 1. Hope you don't mind - I saw it and reverted it. Just to give you a heads up - you can check the edit in the history page. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 00:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

"I do have business editing an encyclopedia and being gay is a personality flaw."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harry Potter Fantic 1 (talkcontribs). You are a lair, you didn't create the page 7

Wow. It turns out you're a bigger fool than you previously let on. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't realize writing 98% of an article is the same as "creating" it. However the fact that you checked that out is genuinely creepy and is further evidence that you have no life. Have a nice day, and stop vandalising my page. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't mean to be a pain, but I didn't write 98% of the article and I have 100% respect for everybody on this wiki, even you. I'm not a creep and I hope to someday become an even bigger contributer to this wiki. If you continue to insult me, even if what I posted was wrong (It wasn't) then I will not hesitate to continue to do it. I have another question why give a summary if you don't want people to read it.

P.S. that wasn't vandalism. pps. I'm sure you hve less of a life- Harry Potter fantic 1

I won't edit again if you can let this feud go to rest, as I've priorly stated I have respect for almost anyone on this wiki and I know that you are a positive contributer to it, but so am I maybe not as big as you but I just registered, so I hope that you can do the mature thing insted of throwing insults at people, becouse if so I am more than willing to.- Harry Potter Fantic 1

Ok. I was talking about me, not you, as in I wrote 98% of that article and I consider that "creating" a page. When a page has one sentence that says "The number Seven is very significant in the HP series", well, that is not a page at all, really, is it? It's merely a definition and may as well not even be there at all. For someone who doesn't even know or care if what I've contributed is valuable, to just edit my page with a personal comment that includes the word "liar" is rude and obnoxious. I have very little patience with you because of the antisocial, biggotted thing you put on Albus Dumbledore's page. That is my issue with you. So, if you want to call me immature or claim that you just joined here and I'm not giving you a chance, you have every right to throw around excuses i suppose, even if they are moot. I only just joined this wikia as well, probably newer than you actually. The difference between us is I don't vandalise pages with slurs and call them mature contributions, and then challenge other people to tollerate it. As far as you "continuing to do it" - I'm guessing you meant changing my user page? - when it's against the policy of this wikia, well, no you won't continue to do it. Perhaps I'm placing too much of an expectation on you, in my narrow-mindedness assuming that you're over 18 and have a semblance of a grasp on hate speech. If I am wrong, and you're a kid who doesn't really know a lot about how racism or bigotry is illegal in some countries, and generally not tollerated in most civilized societies, then I apologize in advance and invite you to read up on PFLAG and LGBT rights (Google it), and leave it at that, and move on, because I think we have very little else to discuss.
^Actually, you know what I find extremely interesting? That I see now you edited your comments to me a bazillion times, each time adding more and more silliness (which indicates to me a great deal of contemplation went into the things you wrote here, and it wasn't as flippant as it appears on its face), even at one time saying you had "respect for everyone except you" only an hour later changing it to say "even you". I was trying to be courteous to you in explaining the issue that you are confused over, but at this point I would vastly prefer it if you would cease contact with me. Mafalda Hopkirk 08:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up

Your clean ups are awesome, but they do leave the pages lack of info for a while. Try making a user sub-page, such as User:Cavalier One/Parchment, and do the work there. -Matoro183 (Talk) 01:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Matoro, that is sweet of you to say. Great idea, i will do that - if i can figure out how ...! Mafalda Hopkirk 01:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Percy Weasley

Mafalda, I undid your edits on Percy Weasley, and since it was a big change, I'd like to give my reasons. Firstly, Percy is an FA, and was promoted on the strength of the current revision, therefore I felt that that revision should remain. Secondly, I was the one who rewrote the article in the first place to get it to FA status and worked long and hard on it. You are doing some excellent work here, but there are other articles to clean-up to higher standards that have not already undergone rewriting - I can think of a few off the top of my head (Fred Weasley, George Weasley, Alice Longbottom, Frank Longbottom to name a few). I believe it is these - and similar - articles we should be concentrating on, bringing them up to high quality standards to improve the quality of the wiki overall.

On another note, creating a Subpage as Matoro183 suggested above is easy. Simply type the name of the subpage into the search bar like you would to create a new article, and begin editing. Or, simply click on this link User:Mafalda Hopkirk/Subpage and begin editing. Note that you can change the name of the page after the / to anything you like. I use Parchment since it has a HP feel, but my subpage over at the Wookieepedia is known as the Drawing Board. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 07:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Cav, I didn't see it was FA. What's odd is that it says 7000 bytes were removed, but in reality the run-ons were just shortened and other details were actually added. Sometimes removing just a sentence looks huge in byte terms. Thanks for the suggestions for other cleanup articles - i will definitely take a look at those. Also thanks for the tip on parchment!!! Mafalda Hopkirk 16:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Using a subpage is very useful, since you can play around with things easier, and even start articles from scratch, saving them while researching the subject. For a list of FAs, the Featured articles page has a list of them at the bottom, and the dates they were/are to be featured. Some of the earlier FAs (Dumbledore, Lupin) may need bringing up to scratch, too, since they were promoted before DarkJedi introduced the Layout guide. For reference, though, I have rewritten Ginny, Bill, Charlie, and Percy Weasley (I was planning to do all the Weasleys, but other things got in the way), Tonks, Kingsley, Fleur, Krum, Cedric, Oliver and the Triwizard Tournament. All made FA. If you do a good rewrite, nominate it for FA status over at Featured articles nominations. We're looking for a lot of quality articles. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 09:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Moaning Myrtle

The character's name is "Moaning Myrtle" in the story, not "a student named Myrtle." Therefore, for the list of Horcruxes, we go by the actual names of the characters as they are addressed in the story. It also looks more unified in the list of the Horcruxes for only the names to be used rather than the unnecessary "student" information. It would seem very cliche to state on each murder: "a witch named Hepzibah Smith," "a muggle named Tom Riddle Sr.," "a Ministry witch named Bertha Jorkins," etc. It doesn't fit and seems repetitive. Names alone are all that are necessary in a short list. If we want to know what they were, we can go to their articles and see. For the purposes of the list of Horcruxes however, only the names are necessary. In addition, Rowling herself has said that "Moaning Myrtle" was the one whose murder was used on the Diary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SithLord990205 (talkcontribs).

The ghost's name is Moaning Myrtle. Saying something was created out of "the murder of Moaning Myrtle" is saying it was created by destroying the ghost. If we knew her last name, it would be Myrtle Smith on the list of murders. Just as, if you were talking about something that Nearly-Headless Nick did during his living years, you would say "Sir Nicolas de Mimsey-Porpington", as this was his moniker during his living years. This is merely a matter of grammar and the usage of proper nouns. I would also question your statement that JKR stated verbatim that the murder of a ghost was the murder that created the Horcrux as in THE BOOK, Moaning Myrtle herself states that as a student she was killed by the Basilisk. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Rowling said "Moaning Myrtle," and that is the character's name as we know her. You must understand that at least. It sounds very cliche as I said stating what each character is in addition to their name. If you want to go into it about what she was, then say that in her article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SithLord990205 (talkcontribs).
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I'm also going to ask you, how is it "cliche" - I'm really questioning your knowledge of the meaning of these terms. A witch named Hepzibah Smith is ONLY a witch named Hepzibah Smith. A student named Myrtle is one thing and then later becomes a ghost named Moaning Myrtle. They are two completely different entities. As for your JKR assertion, I'm going to again reference Chamber of Secrets. This should be taken to the Horcrux article talk page, by the way. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Rowling said that Moaning Myrtle's murder was used, you need to accept the fact that she said this and move on. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. And yes, it is cliche to try to state what the characters are in addition to their names in a simple list involving what should only be their names. I question your views on this matter considerably. But you need to accept the fact that we know her as "Moaning Myrtle," not "a student named Myrtle." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SithLord990205 (talkcontribs).
Show me where JKR said that the Horcrux was created out of the murder of a ghost, and I will happily let it drop. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I will gladly find the article where she states the name. She never said a "ghost's" murder was used, merely the characters' names. You need to quit reading too deeply into these things because the energy could be put to better use elsewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SithLord990205 (talkcontribs).

I don't "need" to do anything that you say I "need" to do. You're being extremely beligerent on this. How do you not understand that stating "the murder of Moaning Myrtle" is the same as stating "the murder of a ghost." Please sign your edits with four tildes. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I've looked over it. I've changed it to just "Myrtle" since her last name is not known. But I agree putting it as "Moaning Myrtle" is incorrect since that is what she has been known as once she became a ghost. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 16:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Lady Bella: Whose murders did voldemor use to create each of the horcruxes J.K. Rowling: The diary - Moaning Myrtle. The cup - Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket - a Muggle tramp. Nagini - Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued). The diadem - an Albanian peasant. The ring - Tom Riddle snr. There you have it, straight from the author's mouth. She said "Moaning Myrtle." Point proven. SithLord990205 16:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I am guessing this is a chat transcript. There are two statements in this chat clipping that are false. First of all, the Myrtle bit, as we have already covered. Secondly, the name "Tom Riddle snr" would in reality refer to Tom Marvolo Riddle's grandfather, because his grandfather is Thomas Riddle Sr and his father is Tom Riddle II. So, I ask who is the one reading too deeply into these things. Quite obviously, Rowling is stating in this CHAT TRANSCRIPT terms that are most easily understood by chat participants and it is vertually shorthand. This is a tilde by the way - ~. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If you can't accept hard proof, that is your problem I'm afraid. Not to be rude, but you are the one being beligerent here. I have kindly shown you a transcript of the interview where she said it, and just because the website's editor is a poor typist doesn't mean he just made it up. Those are her words, verbatim. Sorry, but that's how it is. SithLord990205 16:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing more to be said on this matter. Mafalda Hopkirk 16:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC) J.K. Rowling: The diary - Moaning Myrtle. The cup - Hepzibah Smith, the previous owner. The locket - a Muggle tramp. Nagini - Bertha Jorkins (Voldemort could use a wand once he regained a rudimentary body, as long as the victim was subdued). SithLord990205 16:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I do not believe this is an issue of whether the character's name is "Moaning Myrtle" or not in the books. I think we all agree that it is. But I think we can all also agree that she was not known as Moaning Myrtle until after her death, while she was haunting the girls bathroom (as far as I know at least -- that's an assumption I am making). Therefore she was murdered as "Myrtle" to become "Moaning Myrtle." Regardless the article just says "Myrtle" now which I believe is a good compromise between your two opposing points. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 16:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you, DarkJedi. I'm just relaying what Rowling herself said. Myrtle is most likely the proper term here, but Rowling said "Moaning Myrtle." I'm just kindly showing Miss Mafalda Hopkirk the words of the author herself, so that she can see where she was wrong in an instance where another tried to help her. SithLord990205 16:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you would now drop the matter on this talk page and take it to the article page if you have anything further to add. Mafalda Hopkirk 17:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
And I would appreciate it if you would accept the fact that you were wrong and beligerent toward another user who had no intention but to help you understand what Rowling has said. You said you would kindly accept it once I showed you, and so I have. By the way, I do know what a "~" is thank you very much.  ;) SithLord990205 17:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Look - Stop. DarkJedi has backed up my point and we have established that "Moaning Myrtle" was an incorrect term to be used in the circumstance of the article. Let it go, and please stop sending me owls on this issue. It is closed. Mafalda Hopkirk 17:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary, I'm afraid that Rowling herself, the highest authority on the books, has backed up my point. Also, if I might make a suggestion: Quit abusing your little "rollback" tool. You are using it as a debate device to further your own argument, and that is a violation. Good day to you. SithLord990205 17:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Rollback is used to revert vandalism such as incorrect information or fanon. This discussion regarding Moaning Myrtle is over. This is the fourth time I am asking you to stop sending me owls. I have already sought admin assistance on your continual contact, and I do not appreciate your passive aggressive messages, which I receive in email when they are sent to me. Mafalda Hopkirk 17:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Go on. You are in violation for abusing the tool. I do not intend to contact you again, but you should lose that power for abusing it. SithLord990205 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
When I used rollback, I was marking your excessive edits as incorrect information, as you yourself admitted it was. FIFTH TIME - STOP SENDING ME OWLS. Mafalda Hopkirk 17:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Then you shot yourself in the foot, because that shows you are abusing it, because this is neither "fanon" or "incorrect information." If anyone will get in trouble, it will be you. Good day to you. SithLord990205 17:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


I have asked SithLord990205 to stop posting on your talk page on this matter. However, SithLord990205 does have a point about using the Rollback tool on the Horcrux article. In this case, using Undo would probably have sufficed. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 18:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Mafalda Hopkirk 18:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

24 Hour Ban

Hey, we (as in the administration) have decided to place a 24-hour ban on you as a cool down period. In addition you're receiving a final warning about abusing rollback rights. If an edit is obviously not in "good faith" then use of rollback is warranted. If it is a content dispute that is not a proper reason to use rollback. Also, please try to maintain the "3 revert rule" - do not revert content of any other user more than 3 times on a single article within 24 hours. Please know that we have tried to come up with a fair response for everyone and that we came to this decision as a group. If you have any questions or comments feel free to respond on my talk page, or one of the other administrators. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 18:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

It is fine with me. I used rollback because i viewed his edits as vandalism. I had previously used "undo", but as he continued to add information that was incorrect, i used rollback to mark his edits as vandalism. I was trying to bring it to the attention of an admin. Sorry if i was in the wrong with using rollback, although I was trying to assist. Mafalda Hopkirk 19:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand its often difficult to tell if someone is vandalizing or if its "good faith." I'd say unless you're 100% positive it is vandalism use "undo" -- in other words, always assume "good faith" unless they prove to you they're not here to contribute. Remember you can always use an admin's talk page or request admin attention pages. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 19:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Alright we've just finished another discussion and have reverted our decision. We have decided to unblock you, but your rollback rights have been removed. Again if you have any questions feel free to contact an admin or on IRC. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 19:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thank you, i was actually going to suggest you just take away my rollback rights since i don't understand how to use it properly. It's probably just simpler this way. I really appreciate your consideration in everything. Mafalda Hopkirk 21:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

DJ, it seems the block is still in effect. I can't send you a message on your page, so I'm leaving it here. Mafalda Hopkirk 18:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Mafalda, I just attempted to unblock you and the system says you already are. Trying sending a message to my talk page, or attempting a minor edit. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 18:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Weird, seems to be fine now, maybe what you did fixed it. Thanks, Mafalda Hopkirk 18:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Might have just been a system error, or a loss of session data. It happens now and then. Glad to see the problem fixed, though. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 19:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Strange, both requests went in and are in the log -- probably a loss of session data. Regardless, sorry about that. Glad its fixed now. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 20:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


Of course it's alright to comment on my talk page! I'm generally a very friendly fellow. I started a vote on the prefect badge image over on the forum page. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 18:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Haha, generally a friendly fellow. That is sweet. "Friendly fellow" reminds me of the snake rhyme, what is it - "Red touch yellow, kill a fellow; Red touch black, venom lack"? Mafalda Hopkirk 18:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Try say it after you've had a few too many alcoholic beverages (not that I condone such actions of course :P). As for the snake rhyme, I fear that's lost on me. We have no problem with snakes in the UK, and no rhymes for them either that I'm aware of. I assume it refers to the colouration of a snake and whether they are poisonous or not? - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 20:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes exactly ;p No snakes?? None at all?? That is so strange! Mafalda Hopkirk 04:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Apart from harmless little garden snakes in the country, it's not a worry we have. The UK is pretty mild when it comes to dangerous animals, unlike America or Australia. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 08:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I thought is was 'Red and yellow, deadly fellow, red and black, friendly Jack?-Matoro183 (Talk) 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Interesting. I placed the fact tag on them because a lot of new info has been released in the last couple of days, and I wasn't sure if I missed something. I deleted the Astoria Greengrass reference in the Draco page, and didn't want to make another mistake. In any case, it appears to have been removed.

As for Croaker ... I went through the only scene I know of set in Arthur's office, chapter 7 of Order of the Phoenix and found no reference so I will delete that as well for the time being. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 22:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Albus Dumbledore

Thanks for the heads up. The IP has been blocked. - Cavalier One(Wizarding Wireless Network) 12:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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