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Elphias Doge in Wizengamot?

Is Elphias Doge a member of Wizengamot? I don't recall that being mentioned anywhere. Yaquez 18:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought he was present at one of the trials. Either Barty Jr's, Harry's, or it was mentioned in AD's obit, but i remember looking it up, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me? Mafalda Hopkirk 02:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
No i remember now, you know what it is, he is Special Advisor to the Wizengamot. Mafalda Hopkirk 02:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Not that I don't believe you, but where precisely is that mentioned?Yaquez 14:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
For the moment all i know is that it's on HP Lexicon but i'm going to skim through some wizengamot book scenes and see what i can find. Mafalda Hopkirk 17:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Dolores Umbridge?

I thought that Umbridge was only there becuase she is Senior Undersecretary to the Minister, not an official member. Freakatone 18:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

She seems to have a lot of heft for just an undersecty so i assumed she was a member, anyway wasn't she also wearing a wizengamot robe? Maybe i'm wrong? Mafalda Hopkirk 00:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is this word pronounced, and would it be useful to add a pronunciation at the head? 70.181.171.159 21:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it is pronounced like in the films (Wee-zan-AGA-mot)... -- Seth Cooper Owl Post 19:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
The Pronunciation Guide on the Scholastic website has it as "wiz-en-gam-ot." Starstuff (Owl me!) 03:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Behind the scenes

I don't understand that behind the scenes bit. First, it says "ladies and gentlemen", when in the film Fudge says "witches and wizards" and, second, I can't understand where is the mistake... -- Seth Cooper Owl Post 19:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. I don't get it either. --MartectX 22:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think he says Wizenagamot instead of Wizengamot -Smonocco 22:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm. Quite possible, yes... Does anyone have an source on the pronounciation? -- Seth Cooper Moon (Owl Post) 22:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Main image

Shouldn't it be changed, as I believe it is an image of the Council of Magical Law? -Smonocco 16:31, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
Also, does the Wizengamot appear in G.O.F. (including the film) at all? -Smonocco 15:16, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes check Done. I don't think it does, no. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 21:12, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Parliament?

Where is it said that the Wizengamot is a legislative body, or parliament? We've only seen the Wizengamot act in a judicial manner.

And where did it say the Wizengamot passed and sanctioned the Educational Decrees? Unless I'm mistaken, didn't Umbridge have free reign to enact the Decress as High Inquisitor?Apwbd150 03:00, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't say that anywhere; the section is plain wrong. The Wizengamot isn't mentioned in any other context than as a court. There is, in fact, no legislative branch ever explicitly mentioned, Wizengamot or no. It just says 'The Mininstry of Magic'. We do know that laws are written in the Minstry Departments that concern them (e.g. Arthur Weasley wrote the Muggle Protection Act), but that's about it.

The decrees in OotP, specifically, were directly issued by Fudge. That is why they are decrees -- orders issued by the head of state. The Daily Prophet mentions a 'passing' in the following context:

In a surprise move last night the Ministry of Magic passed new legis-
lation giving itself an unprecedented level of control at Hogwarts School of
Witchcraft and Wizardry.

and

This is not the first time in recent weeks Fudge has used new laws to
effect improvements at the Wizarding school. As recently as August 30th
Educational Decree Twenty-two was passed, to ensure that, in the event of
the current headmaster being unable to provide a candidate for a teaching
post, the Ministry should select an appropriate person.

and

It is this last function that the Ministry has now formalized with the
passing of Educational Decree Twenty-three, which creates the new posi-
tion of ‘Hogwarts High Inquisitor.’

The first quote is already the point here: it's the Ministry doing the passing. Assuming the Wizengamot is part of the Ministry, that could be it's purpose, but that is nothing but an assumption.

79.213.76.128 16:16, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Film Headwear

After long reserch,I finally found out what type of hat the members of the Wizengamot wear in the film adaption of Order of the Phoneix and I was wondering if I can state it in the main article? Since the rules of canon say information from the films can be considered canon unless clearly stated otherwise in the novels and there's no mention of them wering these headwear should I go ahead and put it in or should I put it in the "Behind the scenes" section?Professor Ambrius (talk) 03:02, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. I'd wait to get at least one other opinion, but I'd say that since it doesn't specifically say in the books that they don't wear it, it could be considered canon. Even so, it still seems like something for the Behind the scenes section, unless you can think of an in-universe way to put it in the main article that doesn't feel clunky. ProfessorTofty (talk) 04:19, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
It looks vaguely ecclesiastical to me, and the name of the hat in the Harry Potter universe may differ from that of the real world, so while I think that it would be very interesting to have the name of the hat in the article, I agree with Professor Tofty that a Behind the scenes comment would perhaps be the best place for it (at least until the name of the hat was confirmed in-universe). --xensyriaT 20:36, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

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