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Countercurse?

I think it's worth reconsidering whether or not this is actually a specific counter-curse to sectumsempra. It's made up in the film and is never actually mentioned by name (or is that by incantation? ;) ) in the book. Bearing in mind the wording (and meaning of those words) of the spell, I think there's reason enough to believe that this is intended as a spell for curing general injuries, instead of it being a counter-curse specific to sectumsempra only.

I will edit this article to reflect this point of view - if anyone changes it back I'd appreciate them stating the reason here. Robhol 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just assumed whoever added it as a counter-curse originally to the counter-spell page had some evidence to back it up but apparently not. It definitely qualifies as a healing spell thoughGreen Zubat 23:49, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Huh?

What canon sources is it to confirm Vulnera Sanentur were invented by Snape?

Well, since it's a specific counter-curse exclusively for a spell he invented, and he was the only one seen to use it (Molly, Remus, Sirius, Peter and James, knowing Sectumsempra and Levicorpus, didn't know this) this seems likely. --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 19:28, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, but that is where you (and, at present, the article) appear to be incorrect. This is neither a specific counter-curse for Sectumsempra nor only known by Snape. Dumbledore also knows this spell, and uses it to heal a very non-magical cut in his arm. Half-Blood Prince, chapter 26. Some heavy changes need to be made to this article, in fact. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 05:46, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
"When Snape had performed his counter-curse for the third time, he half-lifted Malfoy into a standing position."
—Emphasis mine (Page 489, Paragraph 9, Lines 4&5 of Raincoast Hardcover[src]
Thus, it is indeed a specific counter-curse; Dumbledore did not perform his cut-healing spell verbally and so we have no way of knowing whether it is the same spell or not. Of course the line "just as Snape had healed Malfoy's wounds" could refer to it being the same spell, but that could also simply refer to Dumbledore quickly and efficiently magically healing his own cuts nonverbally with a simple wave of his wand. --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 11:49, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
But a counter-spell is merely a spell that negates the effects of another spell. The Shrinking Charm is the counter-charm for the Engorgement Charm, yet it has its own distinct effect when used on an uncharmed object. I really see no contradiction in calling a healing spell that repairs large wounds a "counter-curse" for a curse that makes large wounds. As for this being the same spell Dumbledore used, yes, I am indeed interpreting Harry noting it was "just as Snape had healed Malfoy's wounds" as a nod to this being the same spell. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 17:11, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
But there's no verifiable canon proof, really, except that one line and the fact that the effects are the same; and since we have multiple pages for spells of the same effect (Periculum, Vermillious and Red Sparks, for instance), that should be proof enough that there could theoretically be two spells of the same effect but different incantation and name. That therefore leaves only the one line comparing them as proof of their being the same, and meaning no disrespect, but I don't know if that would be enough to say for certain that they are.
Of course, it's probable that they are the same, but until canon proof says for sure that they are, I think they ought to remain separate.
As for what you've said about counter-curses, I didn't know that; perhaps Counter-curse for Leg-Locker Curse, Counter-curse for Broom-jinxing and Counter-curse for Petrification should be modified to acknowledge that their effects can be used independently (i. e. not just for reversing broom jinxes but for any sort of bucking broom, not just for Petrification but for any sort of immobilisation, etc.)? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 11:50, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Mergery

Most of the logic for both sides of the argument can be found above ("Huh?"). It is thought that Poppy Pomfrey's healing spell and Albus Dumbledore's healing spell should be merged into this page (at least, Dumbledore's spell; and since Pomfrey's spell was to be merged into Dumbledore's, I'm assuming that page was also to be brought into this. --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 11:56, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

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