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Didn't we already decide on the winner for the new headshot? Someone changed it. --T.J. (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

I took the liberty of archiving this page. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 08:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Main image cont

OK, here is a crop I made. I just previewed it in the infobox and it actually looks really good. It is without a doubt the best quality image we have. I know the age is a problem, but it ties in with the article title, and despite the transformation he underwent, he was, as Dumbledore said, Just a boy who made all the wrong choices. Again I'm not saying we should use it permanately, just as an interim. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 08:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Also while were on the subject, most recent doesn't always mean best, afterall Wookiepedia use a picture of the young Anakin rather than of the older more recent Vader as their main image. I think this could be because their article is titled Anakin rather than Vader so the image matches the name. If this is the reason then maybe having one of him as Riddle wouldnt be such a bad thing. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 17:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Image

vwolde

" Polish word "vwolde" means "representative" or "embassador", " WHAT???!!!! that's not true! I don't know this word it even cant be spelled ! representative = reprezentatywny embassador = ambasador

Name?

I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but according to the naming title this should be the name he is always recognized as; he is only called Riddle in his childhood, but Voldemort as an adult, which he is in the entire book series. A previous short-term discussion in the archived talk uses the Anakin Skywalker instead of Vader thing on Wookieepedia as a reason; that's because Vader died as Anakin, while Voldemort died as Voldermort. Might I receive a clarification, please? —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 20:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

See the Naming policy. If that isn't clear though then feel free to ask. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 20:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, I did read that and it seems like this article still shouldn't be named Tom Riddle. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 21:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. The following applies (and I quote):
  • An article's title should contain the full first and last names
    • For example: Use Ronald Weasley should be used instead of Ron Weasley or Ronald Bilius Weasley
What part is making you feel like he should be called "Voldemort" or "Lord Voldemort" as opposed to "Tom Riddle"? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I understand now. Also, I can see how you can't automatically assume he legally changed it. Alright, thanks. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 21:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


What...

I. Do not. Believe it.

You actually voted for the picture of his miserable child self? What in the world is wrong with the lot of you? This is Lord Voldemort, Darkest Wizard in a century, scourge of the wizarding world and doom upon muggles and those around them. Yet here we show him, as an 11 year old.

The lot of you are mad, utterly mental.

Imperial Misanthrope Ravenclawcrest

Firstly he is seventeen in the photo not eleven. Secondly saying What in the world is wrong with the lot of you? and The lot of you are mad, utterly mental., is a personal attack against those who voted for the current main image. May I please suggest that you choose your words more carefully in the future. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 06:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


Please excuse my mistake about his age. However, I shall not revoke my attack on the lot of you that voted for it, because one I would be lying if I said it wasn't an attack, and the fact remains that the lot of you are indeed, mental. I have tried arguing politely, and now I have attempted to tell you how idiotic putting that picture there is. Since neither has worked, I suppose there's nothing to be done for it. I have nothing against anyone here, but it doesn't change the fact that you've put an image of a kid where an evil dark wizard should be

Imperial Misanthrope Ravenclawcrest

Your tone is rather out of line, Imperial Misanthrope, though I understand your dissatisfaction with the current infobox image. Looks like I missed out on the debate, but I think it is preferable to use a more recent image of Voldemort for the infobox, although I can see the logic behind using File:Tom Riddle Half-Blood Prince Profile.jpg. Compared to the other pictures in Category:Images of Tom Marvolo Riddle, it's well-lit, forward-facing, and has a neutral expression. I suppose it also has the advantage of presenting Tom Riddle as he was before his appearance was drastically altered by the Dark Arts. I would still prefer a more recent image, though, so I've got my DVDs out and I'm going to search for suitable screenshots. Starstuff (Owl me!) 16:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
How is this? It's from immediately after his rebirth in GoF. I cropped out his hands. Starstuff (Owl me!) 17:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
That one's pretty dark, though. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 22:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
It has to be from HBP. I think the one we had before the vote was fine, and I don't see why it was changed.--Matoro183 (Talk) 23:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


When one tries to reason with someone, and reason fails but you still don't agree with what said person is doing, what do you do? If you can come up with an appropriate answer for that, then tell me I'm being out of line. I think my tone is quite necessary for the situation, but then both I and everyone else is biased on the subject

Imperial Misanthrope Ravenclawcrest

I agree with Matoro that the old pic worked better. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 23:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I think that one is far too dark. Matoro, the image was changed because we voted on it and the vast majoroity of users on this site wanted the current one. The will of the majoroity cannot be overturned because the minority are dissatisfied. I'm sorry to those who do not like the current main image, but this is how it works, everyone had a chance to make their voices heard. Imperial Misanthrope, I suggest you read the policy on no personal attacks. Being out of line is one thing, but admiting that the comment you made was intended as an attack and refusing to apologize, or correct your manner is a direct violation of policy and grounds for banning. As a sufferer of OCD I found your comments extremely hurtfull, and although I'm sure you didn't mean mental in that sense seeing as you admitting that you were being offensive, that is of little consolation. I really don't think this needs to be discussed further. The vote closed over a week ago. The will of the community is clear. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand you, but I don't understand why the users did choose it, as no comments made it clear as to why his 17 year old self was chosen in stead of his latest, 71-year-old self. And, as I've seen that Darth Vader's 20-year-old self is his profile image on Wookieepedia is a common answer to this, I would like to clarify that that is because that is how he is last seen, in his redeemed spirit. If he was never redeemed, it'd be of the iconic Vader appearance. So, what is the reason as to why young Riddle was the majority above his current state, Jayce? —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 18:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


Apparently nothing I do or say is going to insert any sense into this Democracy. I mean no personal offence to anyone, anyone taking it that way is either paranoid, or is attempting to turn my words into something worse than they are. Your mental health is of no concern or business of mine, so implying that I am trying to make a personal attack on anyone is simply ridiculous. My alias should give some idea as to what I think about votes

Imperial Misanthrope Ravenclawcrest

In my opinion the image was chosen because it was the best quality. Imperial Misanthrope, I've already said I know you didn't mean mental in that context, however I still found it offensive, which is why I suggested earlier that you should choose your words more carefully. You yourself said it was intended as an attack against those who voted for the image, including me, so the intention behind your words, or their effect on me is a moot. In fact this entire disccusion is moot. What you think about votes is of no consequence, here, we do things by the vote. The main image is staying and continuing to whine about it will change nothing. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 07:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


Whining, hmm. Well as long as you continue to be condescending, and taking my words personally when there is no call for it, I see no reason to continue. Besides, if you find me offensive, I'm surprised you read any of the books at all, since Ron says "mental" nearly every other chapter

Imperial Misanthrope Ravenclawcrest

It's not condescending because thas exactly what your doing. You didn't get you own way, so now your throwing insults around. In the book Ron's not talking to me is he, wheras you were, and you said in your second comment that your words were ment as a personal attack, so how else am I supposed to interprut them. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 13:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey! There's no need to argue! Me (and a bunch of other user who didn't vote for the current picture) are not happy with the voting results ourselves, but you don't see us complaining. The community has voted. That image won. Period. Now, when a better picture of Voldemort is released (preferencebly an adult Voldemort), there will be another voting and the image shall be (or shall be not) replaced. Until then, there's no point in argueing. -- Seth Cooper Moon (Owl Post) 13:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Exactly, Cooper. And thanks for the clarification, Jayce. Others seemed good quality, too, but I understand now. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 20:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I remind everyone who does not like the current main image, that it was voted under the condition that it was tempory, until the Deathly Hallows film is released. Also if we are going to be using the most recent appearance we will eventually be using an image of the flayed baby at King's Cross for Voldy's main image. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 07:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

What? Its staying until DH? And your proposing that we use the flayed baby for the MAIN image? No way. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Uhh...we can't really say its staying until DH is released. Maybe until there are some new shots, but not until a release date -- that's kinda silly. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 12:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The only problem is he is not going to be in HBP as far as I'm aware, so the next appearance of him will be DH. I did find a another image of him from OOTP which I'm currently using for the main image of the Project Snakeface sandbox. I'm not saying we WILL be using an image of the flayed baby, I'm just curious as to what those who say the main image should be his most recent appearance would think about usig that image, as it is technically his most recent appearance (how he appears after he dies). Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 13:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No he is only in HBP in flashbacks as a child and teenager. I would personaly prefer the imgae of him as Voldemort but thats just my opinon. What about a vote? Chester Talk 17:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd love another vote, using the preferrentail voting system this time. Everyone who voted for the other options beside the adult one and the...child... can vote again. THen we'll be voting out of two candidates. Does this work? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess so. I think there is a set time period that must pass before another vote maybe held. I could be wrong, if so I'm fine with another vote. However, if the voting goes the same way as before certain people need to learn to except consensus and back down, because all this discusion of the same issue is getting tedious. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 06:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that many people will not accept the consensus because there really wasn't one. Sure there were 12 votes for the picture that is currently in use, but the majority of those are from users that don't participate to a large degree and it seems that many of the users who do contribute a lot were unaware that this was an issue. I do agree though, we can't just revote because the result is undesirable. Perhaps if more pictures, etc. are released. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 16:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It seems a bit elitist to value certain voters above others because they participate more. Afterall, we all participate to varying degrees based on what our real lives allow. Take me for example, I go to college most days which is why I'm only here early morning and late afternoon. We can't hold it against people just because theve got better things to do than edit the site. At anyrate a votes a vote. Revoting would give certain people the imperssion that when the vote doesnt go their way, all they need do is complain and the'll get what they want. It sends a very bad message. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 07:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not valuing more -- I'm pointing out that not all are allowed to vote per the voting policy. And please don't insult me. I'm not valuing users over other users, I'm just trying to describe to you why people may be upset. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 13:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Calm down, I wasn't trying to insult you, I'm sorry it came across that way. And beleive me I checked the contributions of all who participated in the vote, they all have the required amount of edits. It just seems to me like there is a bit of a divide among users where the amount you contribute is considered your rank. I'm not accusing you directly of this I'm just saying what I see. And besides just because a user doesnt contribute much doesnt mean there not going to, which is what I was trying to say before, again I'm sorry it came out wrong. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 16:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm calm. And I don't care how many edits a user has -- the only time it matters is for voting, and the only reason it was set up that way is to prevent sock puppet accounts that vote to force a particular outcome. Unfortunately I think in this situation we're not going to be able to get everyone to agree. We really need a more concrete way of choosing pictures, should it be their "current" picture, the picture of how they view themself, etc.? Starstuff and I talked about it a bit last night, but we were mostly recategorizing things so...didn't get around so much to doing that. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 18:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand why we restrict voting, and I fully support it. In fact, I think the restrictions should be even stricter. However when all the users who vote meet the criteria, I really don't think it's fair on them to be debating their descision and asking for a revote. If yourself, Starstuff and Matoro had all voted for the teenage riddle image, everyone would have accepted it without question, they may not have been happy about it, but they wouldnt be pushing to get it changed like this. I honestly think people aren't taking the vote seriously because those who voted for the teen voldy aren't as active on the site as others. Jayce Carver Slytherin Prefect badge Talk 07:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I think you misread my comment (or maybe I poorly wrote it?) When I checked they did not all pass (if I remember correctly, it was honestly a few days ago and I've done a lot since then). But whatever, its the past: what do you suggest we do to solve this? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 13:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I checked each user as soon as they voted, and they did all have twenty edits each. But as you said, past is past. As for how to solve it, like I said before I think the number of edits a user must have before voting should be increased. To how much? That would be up for discussion. If we are going to discuss it formally I think this topic should be moved from Tom Riddle's talk page as this isn't really the place to debate site matters. Jayce DarkmarkAvada Kedavra 13:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

What about a composite picture? I threw this together as an example. Nick O'Demus 14:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Voldemort Riddle
Yeah I'm sure my vote means absolutely nothing (which is true), but I'd go with that composite. Mainly because...well..when you do a search for Voldemort...the picture you expect to see is Voldemort..not his "former" self.--TheUltimate3 01:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Or we can do the stupidly easy thing and take this picture.--TheUltimate3 01:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
If anyone can create a collage images (Different images in a single photo) of Voldemort like what we see in the Horcrux article. I think the debate will be over. --ÈnŔîčö Ravenclawcrest(Send me an Owl!) 14:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

picture

Someone called Lammario has changed the headshot again. I am sorry for what I did earlier and I support thie decision about the new headshot. But I'm afraid it has been changed. Again. please look into this matter. --Incredisuper.


Thomas Riddle

Would it be worth mentioning that in the movies his name is Thomas Marvolo Riddle, not just Tom? My source comes from the first Half-Blood Prince movie trailer, in which Dumbledore is looking through the Pensieve memories stored in glass bottles, and they are labled seperately as T. Riddle, T. M. Riddle, Tom Riddle, Tom Riddle, Jr., and Thomas Marvolo Riddle. It may also be worth noting that, in the movie version of events, he would be Tom Riddle the Third, because they also have his grandfather's name as Thomas Riddle --Parodist 22:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide a link?--Matoro183 (Talk) 22:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I think he's refering to this picture -- Seth Cooper Moon (Owl Post) 22:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
It would be worth mentioning. Afterall it would change his name. (Since the books don't contradict it). -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 23:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Good find. The only problem this presents is we already have his granfather at Thomas Riddle, so what would we move this article to? The way I see it we have three options. A: We move this article to Thomas Riddle III. B: We move Thomas Riddle to Thomas Riddle Sr, Tom Riddle Sr to Thomas Riddle Jr and this article to just Thomas Riddle. C: We re-examine the naming policy so that this article may be moved to either Voldemort or Thomas Marvolo Riddle Jayce DarkmarkAvada KedavraCrucioImperio 08:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I just double checked, and I found these: Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince, Scholastic ed. Ch. 10, p. 212: "Very good indeed, said Dumbledore, beaming. "Yes, that was Tom Riddle senior, the handsome Muggle who used to go riding past the Gaunt cottage and for whom Merope Gaunt cherished a secret, burning passion." Ch. 17, p. 366: "Meanwhile, in the village of Little Hangleton, a maid was running along the High Street, screaming that there were three bodies lying in the drawing room of the big house: Tom Riddle Senior and his mother and father." Nick O'Demus 08:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In the books Rowling makes a point that Voldemort is Tom Riddle, Jr., and yet the movies have him as Thomas Riddle the Third, so the best we could have is that in a behind the scenes section or something. --Parodist 14:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Second Name

In the german version of the Harry Potter books, his second name is changed from Marvolo to Vorlost, to form a german anagramm. What about other countries? Is there a change of the second name, too?

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