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Name Change

I think that the name of this article should be changed to Voldemort. This is because that he is more commonly known as Voldemort rather than Tom Riddle. He tossed aside his birth name for a new one. Therefore wouldn't it be more suitable to use the name he goes by rather than a name he doesn't use anymore? Weirdo Guy (talk) 23:23, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

It is the policy of this wiki to use a character's legal first and last name. Voldemort was merely a title Tom Riddle took in his adult years. Changing this article's name would be a manner of changing policy, and thus a wider discussion than just this one article. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 23:49, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Technically Voldemort is an alias rather than a title. Dark Lord, Chief Death Eater, Heir of Slytherin: those are titles.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:23, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

anais&gumball55 Wouldnt Tom actually be Thomas?Anais&gumball55 (talk) 02:34, November 15, 2014 (UTC)Anais&Gumball55Anais&gumball55 (talk) 02:34, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

I don't believe so. His father was named Thomas and nicknamed Tom, but Merope always thought of Mr Riddle as "Tom", so when she named her son she directly named him "Tom".

--Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 09:50, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Vote to keep as is. That was one of the darkest secrets of the books that only Dumbledore and Harry knew for a long time, he was not a scary lord, but someone with a Muggle sounding name. USN1977 (talk) 03:06, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Voldemort/Lord Voldemort

Actually "Lord Voldemort" is better grounded in canon than just "Voldemort" - CoS movie level or higher. During the confrontation in the Chamber of Secrets, the sentence "I am Lord Voldemort" is shown to be the anagram of "Tom Marvolo Riddle". MinorStoop 07:45, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

This first comment brings up quite a good point about the anagram; the wiki incorrectly states that the anagram is for his name when it is an anagram for a phrase that refers to his self-identification: "I am Lord Voldemort" - this error should not be overlooked. Two of the letters from his birth name are in the "I am" part of the phrase and therefore this should be clarified. User talk: DaenerysTargaryen01 13:40, August 2, 2021

Agreed. Even Dumbledore, who pretty much hated him, called him "Lord Voldemort". Hunnie Bunn (talk) 01:16, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Voldemort only calls himself a Lord to make himself appear to be an aristocratic elitist. He doesn't have aristocratic heritage on either side of his family not as far back as his grandparents at least.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:08, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Irrelevant. The fact the people use the title to refer to him is all that matters. This is about what he is called, not what he would write on a government form. Remember that he never got a legal name change to Voldemort either, so you could just as easily complain about calling him Voldemort as you could about calling him Lord. SnorlaxMonster 04:10, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not always. Albus Dumbledore has also referred to him as simply Voldemort as well. He doesn't hate him, he pities him, knowing his past: his mother dying after giving birth, being abandoned by his father before birth, being conceived under the effects of a love potion. That doesn't meant that Dumbledore will stand idly by when he can stop Voldemort's evil actions however.

Jdogno7 (talk) 04:49, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

The fact that Dumbledore doesn't use his full name in every single instance doesn't make it not his name. Nor do I see how Dumbledore's opinions on Voldemort are relevant. SnorlaxMonster 04:19, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Well people can give themselves names without being accused of self-aggrandizing. Titles are different: there is nothing to support his proclamation of him being a Lord.

Jdogno7 (talk) 05:29, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

What are you saying in the response above? I'm a little confused. Are you referring to Dumbledore or Riddle/Voldemort?

Jdogno7 (talk) 05:32, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

In response to your first comment, he is not claiming to be a "Lord" in the official sense. This is about what he is called, and he is called "Lord Voldemort". Also, yes, Voldemort is self-aggrandizing; it doesn't make it any less of his name though. He is not a Lord in the way you are thinking of, but it is still a part of his name.

In response to your second comment, I was saying that Dumbledore calling Voldemort simply "Voldemort" in some instances has no bearing on what his complete name is (which is "Lord Voldemort"). SnorlaxMonster 05:38, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Voldemort IS HIS chosen NAME. LORD is merely HIS CHOSEN TITLE. He refers to himself as Lord to make himself sound to be of aristocratic heritage. He IS referring to himself as a Lord in the official sense but in reality he is not. It's a façade of elitism. Titles and names are different things.

Jdogno7 (talk) 05:54, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

"Lord Voldemort" is grounded in the books canon, Jdogno; your opinions are not. MinorStoop 06:33, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not explicitly at least. Well we can refer to him as Lord Voldemort in some instances and simply Voldemort in others, both are correct.

Jdogno7 (talk) 07:22, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Only Dumbledore and Harry - who are not frightened of him - call him Voldemort. Everyone is "My Lord", "He who must not be named"/"You-know-who", "The Dark Lord" or "Lord Voldemort". --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 04:38, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Also, we do not know if Voldemort's ancestors are nobility or aristocratic. The second (and latter) sons of anything lower than a Duke - Earl, Viscount, Baron, etc. - are, according to Debrett's (which would apply to Voldemort's paternal ancestry), only known as "Mr", which Thomas Riddle is. Thus, the family could be aristocratic, just not the first in line.--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 20:02, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

My Lord Voldemort Nightmare (Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

I'm not sure what it was but there was something about him that gave me nightmares in 2004 (the first number of times I watched the film) and again in 2007 (when I went back and unsuccessfully tried to overcome the thing about him that gave me the nightmares). I didn't bother watching that scene again until 2008 when I found I'd overcome this sort of nightmare.

In 2004 I actually saw Voldemort lying in a chair (his eyes were open but he wasn't moving - so he wasn't awake). Of course he wasn't really there - I must have just been seeing things.

The Voldemort in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire obviously lacked the "scary" thing about the first one because I never got nightmares from that version. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 04:34, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Anais&gumball55 (talk) 01:44, December 3, 2014 (UTC)Anais&gumball55Anais&gumball55 (talk) 01:44, December 3, 2014 (UTC) i  thought he was ugly as Filch is instaed of freaky. but he was freakishly UGLY

Garbagets advocates for a less cluttered Personality and Traits section

I did an edit of April 21 in which I reorganized the "Personality and traits" section into four subheadings, "Personality and psychology", "Social situation", "Ideology", and "Throughout his lifetime". 

I submit that the way the section is currently laid out is so disorganized and rambling that the reader's eyes would glaze over. If you don't like my headings, then fine, but use *some* means of organization or the thing keels under its own weight. Speaking of which, my revisions sought to include all material from the previous text that was relevant and correct, and I don't see the need to have crammed all the old text, even the redundant parts, back in. All in all, I find the old text poor in style, quality, and comprehensibility, and advise that it be done away with entirely. If you feel there is information missed in my April 21 revision, feel free to add it under the correct heading. 

Also, someone deleted two of my claims. My evidence that Voldemort was not ashamed of his half-blood origins and even wore it as a badge of pride is derived from the fourth book, when Voldemort gave his followers assembled in the graveyard a true account of who his father had been, all without a trace of shame or self-conflict over his half-blood status. My evidence that Voldemort merely used, and was truly apathetic towards, the cause of pure-blood supremacy abounds in all the books. I think that's a deeply important point about Voldemort. *He wasn't a true believer in the ideology that coalesced around him*. He was a cynic who couldn't care less about the 'cause', he only saw its usefulness to himself. 

Sincerely, 

Garbage3ts (talk) 21:20, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sr. Jr.

Voldemort's father is Tom Riddle Sr. How come we have Sr. but no Jr.? It's ridiculous. AB Ng Talk 04:35, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, Voldemort was never directly referred to as "Tom Riddle Jr", so the suffix is unnecessary when referring to him; 'Tom Riddle' is sufficient. --Cubs Fan (Talk to me) 19:20, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

There is a pretty simple reason for this.  During the time Voldemort used the name "Tom Riddle", hardly anyone knew that there was a "Tom Riddle, Sr."  The matron of the orphanage knew roughly the father's name, but since it was an orphanage almost certainly assumed the father was dead.  Dumbledore was told the story of this birth, but again, at that time, almost certainly did not know the father was still alive, thus there was no need to introduce him to the magical world as "Tom Riddle, Jr."  Voldemort himself did not know his father was alive until he visited the Gaunt shack - and according to what he said in the Chamber of Secrets, he took the name Voldemort immediately after this.  So, essentially, no one ever knew there was a living "Tom Riddle, Sr." which would cause them to even consider calling him "Tom Riddle, Jr." Wva (talk) 17:42, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Let me update my previous response with a much simpler explanation:  To be a "Jr." one must have exactly the same name as the "Sr." I think we can be absolutely certain that the father's middle name was not "Marvolo."  Therefore the "Sr/Jr" suffixes would not be appropriate in any case. Wva (talk) 18:07, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Move to Voldemort?

I know this topic has probably been brought up an exhausting number of times, but it's been about a year, so hey, why not revisit it? Moving this page to Voldemort makes a lot of sense. I'm aware that this wiki's article-naming policy dictates that first and last names should be used instead of nicknames, but "Voldemort" is definitely more than a nickname. Voldemort completely dropped the name "Tom Riddle" in his youth, and was only ever well-known in the Wizarding World as Voldemort. He never signed any papers in a court, but I don't think that's necessary to say that his name change was, for all intents and purposes, official. People who knew of Voldemort's past, such as Albus Dumbledore, may have referred to Voldemort as "Tom" from time to time, but this usage was hardly ever used, and even when it was, it was made in reference to Voldemort's past, before he had any real significance. Titling this article as "Tom Riddle" is also at odds with the fact that the majority of the content in the article uses the name "Voldemort" instead. I'm not advocating for a site-wide policy change or anything; in fact, a move in this instance would be compatible with the existing policies. Food for thought. —C Teng 08:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so one year has passed! I still stand by this above statement. Bump. —C Teng 00:25, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's pointless to revive a discussion that hasn't been active for an entire year, especially one that's been revisited numerous times. Since all these revisits of the same suggestion have been turned down, it's best to just accept that the majority of the community doesn't support the move. I personally don't support the move, and I'm sure many others don't either. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 08:28, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, well, now it's been nine years, and you know what? I still say this is stupid. But oh well. — C Teng ^[talk] 13:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion:

The personality and traits sections needs to be proof read, and allready stated things removed. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:26, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

"Rather limited" knowledge outside of magic?

I am going to remove the line "'It should also be noted that his knowledge on other subjects apart from magic seemed to be rather limited". Due to his excellent marks in school, the job at Borgin & Burkes, traveling, possession of animals, and interaction with people - charming and persuading them - he probably knew a fair amount about some other subjects, even if we don't necessarily read about it. We don't read about him using a toilet or bathing, but lack of mention doesn't mean that he is not doing those things. UnicornWolf (talk) 18:56, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone please edit down and revise the "Personality and traits" section? It is way too long, riddled with unverified and un-cited information, and contains grammar mistakes.

PhoenicisLunae (talk) 22:59, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

The Philosopher's Stone

How did Voldemort even know about it? --SWLover2 (talk) 16:02, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

The guy had been researching various means at immortality during his youth. Before he found the Horcrux books, it's pretty likely he learnt about the Philosopher's Stone. As for knowing it was hidden in the trapped corridor, he could easily deduce Flamel would place it in Dumbledore's care, who in turn would put it inside Hogwarts. And, being on Quirrell's very head, it was easy from there to deduce the hiding place. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 18:21, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes

Hey! It has come to my attention that Voldemort's page has a lot of very lengthy paragraphs detailing how he may compare to other fictional characters. Do we really need them? I feel like it's useless trivia that takes up a lot of space on a page that is already very long. I think that unless Rowling makes the comparison herself and says it influenced how she wrote Voldemort then we don't need them. We could write entire essays comparing Voldemort to hundreds of fictional characters. Do we really need to go on about how Palpatine, Dr No, Red Skull, Sauron - and the craziest one Skull Face - amongst others also did horrible things? --Kates39 (talk) 21:39, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

I suppose you have a point there. Feel free to get rid of it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:47, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the character comparisons have gotten out of hand, but believe there is value to understanding how Voldemort fits in with larger fiction trends and tropes. Perhaps these items should be moved to a separate article that holds all the various comparisons? (many of the main character articles have some similar commentary) Either way, given the scale of the change, it's probably worth getting an admin's thoughts on the matter. --Ironyak1 (talk) 01:04, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thing is, you can draw comparisons between just about any villains, real or fictional, if you look hard enough. I'd say the only ones that would need to be mentioned here are those where the comparison was made by Rowling herself, someone else connected to the HP franchise (like one of the actors), or the creator/portrayer of the other character being compared to Voldemort. In any case, citation would still be needed. That's my 2 cents, anyway. - Nick O'Demus 03:09, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Well there you go - get out the doxycide as it's time to clean house! :) --Ironyak1 (talk) 04:43, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Great! I will start work on it. --Kates39 (talk) 08:56, October 5, 2016

Am I the only one around here who thinks Voldemort is better than Harry? He's definitely more complex of a character. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SWLover2 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 6 October 2016 (UTC).

Death scene edited form film.

I have all 8 movies ina  boxed set on blu-ray. but the cover for the blu-ray box does'nt mention deleted scenes for the alst two movies, but does mention ones for the others. Where the heck can I see the deleted, alternate vVodlemort death scene???????????????

Fomxcloud (talk) 05:24, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

• The scene isn't a deleted scene in the sense that it was filmed then cut from the final film. It was done but they wanted a far more dramatic ending for Voldemort and they went with what we see in the final film. I also don't think it's ever been released or shown at all. --Professor Ambrius (talk) 18:42, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

New Main Image

The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it.

File:Voldemort Headshot DHP1.png new main image. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 15:07, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

During the last vote for a main image, the current image was definitely the best option. But I believe it's time to put out another vote for a new image that shows Voldemort's full face, not just a 3/4 view like the current one. Both options are from Deathly Hallows. So please consider and cast your vote below. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:24, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

3/4 view

Full headshot

Full headshot

1. This option shows him facing forward and doesn't chop the top of his head off. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:24, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
2. 09:07, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
3. I vote Full headshot too. It just seems like a better image to me. Hope my support helps. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:37, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

Comments

Two weeks, and not a single other vote cast. So, as the only one with an opinion on the matter, I'm gonna close this vote and change the image. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 00:00, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

The voting process requires an admin to officiate - see HPW:VP --Ironyak1 (talk) 00:09, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

A sufficient amount of time appears to have elapsed since the vote was opened, so I'm vouching for the vote as it currently is. I'm giving until next week for someone to vote against the current proposal if they do so wish; if this does not happen, the vote shall be closed on 31 December (in time for Voldemort's special day). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 23:12, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suggestion: Personality section rework.

I recently read the personality section, and saw that it's quite long and even repeats a few things. I wanted to suggest this as a project for someone, I'd get involved, but I tried that years ago and made no progress. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:19, February 23, 2017 (UTC)

Does Voldemort actually kill the Potters?

According to the Lexicon, it cannot be possible for Voldemort himself to have killed Lily and James in any way shape or form. They base it on the following - when Voldemort's wand reacts to Priori Incantatem we get all its spells in reverse:

• 1) Cruciatus Curse cast on Harry by Voldemort a few moments before (comes out as screams), June 24, 1995.
• 2) Conjuring of a magical hand to replace the one Wormtail cut off, cast by Voldemort after regaining his full body, June 24, 1995.
• 3) Cruciatus Curse cast by Voldemort on Avery, June 24, 1995
• 4) The murder of Cedric Diggory with the Killing Curse, cast by Wormtail on Voldemort's command, June 24, 1995.
• 5) Cruciatus Curse cast on Wormtail, witnessed by Harry in his dream, cast by Voldemort, exact date unknown, but somewhere around the last week of May, 1995.
• 6) The murder of Frank Bryce with the Killing Curse on the evening of August 20, 1994, cast by Voldemort in his "ugly baby" form, from his chair in the Riddle House.
• 7) The murder of Bertha Jorkins, exact spell unknown, cast by Voldemort, summer of 1994, sometime before August 20.
• 8) The murder of James Potter, exact spell unknown, apparently cast by someone other than Voldemort and probably NOT at his direct command, on the evening of or sometime after October 31, 1981.
• 9) The murder of Lily Potter, exact spell unknown, apparently cast by someone other than Voldemort and probably not at his direct command, also on the evening of or sometime after October 31, 1981.

While 8 and & 9 are the wrong way around (they have noted this on the page earlier up, so they know!), the spell that Voldemort cast on to Harry with his wand does NOT come out of the wand... meaning it happens before Lily and James die; it rebounds on to Voldemort and kills him, he flees, and then someone, we don’t know who, kills Lily and James and the house explodes.

This makes the timeline (according to the Lexicon) thus, with their notes in italic: October 31, 1981

• Voldemort, who has been told the whereabouts of James and Lily Potter by Wormtail, comes to Godric's Hollow and to their house. It is evening. The house is destroyed in the following, but we don't now when or how.
• He is met at the door by someone - a man who looks like James Potter - who cries out to a woman that Voldemort is here and that he will hold him off. We do not know the outcome of this duel. (We are not told in the book the outcome of this battle, although the assumption is that James was killed by Voldemort).
• The woman runs away with Harry but Voldemort catches up with her. He tells her to step aside, but she insists on shielding Harry. The woman was almost certainly Lily Potter.
• Voldemort attempts to kill Harry Potter, but the spell backfires and the Dark Lord is hit. He is barely alive and his body is gone. He flees. (This spell never comes out of the wand, so we know that the spells that DO come out must have happened after this.)
• Someone uses Voldemort's wand to kill first Lily, then James Potter. We do not know how soon after Voldemort's defeat this occurred. (Because of the objective record we have of spells cast by Voldemort's wand, we do know that Voldemort was in no condition to have cast these spells at this time. That leaves us wondering who killed James and Lily).
• Hagrid goes to Godric's Hollow and rescues Harry from the ruins of his parents' house before the Muggle officials arrive. He meets Sirius Black there and comforts him. Sirius gives Harry his flying motorbike.

Some of their thoughts are, at least according to Deathly Hallows, wrong - as James and Lily are dead before the attack on Harry - it does create an interesting question. Is Deathly Hallows wrong and that the memory Harry witnesses is how Voldemort believes it occurred? We know memories can be altered. Has Voldemort's been?--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 18:20, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

You know… I'd chalk it up to Rowling's oft-repeated (and self-confessed) inability to do math, and leave it at that. I'm pretty sure it's a minor plot hole, rather than a clue to a true version of the events at Godric's Hollow — at least as far as J.K. Rowling's intent goes. But it is, of course, fun to speculate. My best idea is that Voldemort did not cast his AK at Harry with his own wand, and instead, for extra cruelty, decided to use the recently deceased Lily's wand for it. As for James and Lily coming out in the wrong order, Rowling admitted it was just a mistake she made. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 18:45, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

The mistake part they noted, but it is a thought. In the list above, Voldemort's attack on Harry should have occurred between 7 and 8, but it doesn't implying that J.K. either forgot it... or Voldemort didn't kill them. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 18:50, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. Thoughts on my "he used Lily's wand" theory? --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 18:58, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Possible, but unlikely; Lily is wandless at the time Voldemort apparently kills her in Godric's Hollow, implying it's not easily accessible for him to use. And people would have arrived in the time it took him to find it. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 19:14, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Okay then… he may have used James‘s wand. With the added benefit that, as Voldie had just defeated him in a duel, the wand would have answered to him. --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 19:17, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

It is fun to think about but there is no doubt that Voldemort killed James and Lily! It is such a major thing from the very first book, that had Rowling intended anything else, she would have revealed it a very long time ago. Rowling often gets little nooks and crannies the wrong way round, something that the most keen readers such as ourselves will start to realise, particularly when some kind of maths is concerned! The events of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child shows what happened that evening clear as day!

As for the wand, they are such an important part of the wizarding world, that I doubt Voldemort would have wanted to use any wand other than his own to do something so vital for his own survival. Voldemort had such a great ego - some might say he loved himself, if he had any understanding of what love meant! Therefore, anyone else showing up for him to do something he needed to do, or Voldemort using any other wand to do so, has very little credibility to start with. -- Kates39 (talk) 19:30, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, here's a thought to explain why Priori Incantatem didn't show the Harry-killing spell. What would it have shown? James, Lily, Bertha, Cedric & Co. show that Priori Incantatem used on the Killing Curse results in briefly calling back the soul of the curse's victim. But in this case, the one who was struck by the curse, Voldemort, and the one whom it was aimed at, Harry, were both alive and already there, so how could it possibly have summoned either of their souls the way it did James's or Cedric's? --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 19:41, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

It showed the other spells - the Cruciatus curses cast by Voldemort on Harry mere minutes before Priori Incantatem, so if Voldemort's wand did do the spell, then it'd show the spell too. It didn't... --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 19:43, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't actually refute my argument. The Incantatem effect had nothing to show because the only thing it could have done to visually depict the Killing Curse was to show the severed souls, and it couldn't do that because no soul had actually passed on for it to summon. --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 19:48, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think you'll find, actually that it does refute the argument. No soul passed on, true, but a body was destroyed and it could have shown a body being destroyed (the cruciatus curse showed screams, after all). --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 09:30, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

Was Voldemort's body's destruction really the work of his rebounding spell, though? I rather think it was destroyed by Lily's love-protection short-circuiting him the same way it did Quirrell (albeit on a smaller scale), separate from the actual Killing Curse. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 15:38, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Fire spells

He also unleashed a maelstrom of colossal firestorms on Harry after discovering that the latter had survived, screaming with rage whilst doing so.

When did this happen? He wasn't able to cast any spells in 1081, and also didn't cast any spell in 1998 if I remember correctly.--Rodolphus (talk) 16:42, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

I think it’s talking about Deathly Hallows Part 2, just after Harry tried to use Confringo on Nagini. Although they weren’t firestorms, they were large explosions, so they were probably the Blasting Curse. TheTARDISLegilimens (talk) 16:57, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

This is accurate for the movie but I don't believe it occurred in the book. I agree that whatever it was seemed highly explosive rather than a direct fire spell like Fiendfyre. It should be noted that the Avada Kedavra curse can cause both flames and/or explosions when it hits inanimate objects as we saw in the duel between Voldemort and Albus Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic. The lack of jets of green light in the movie could simply have been a visual design decision - the cascading explosions look better without trails of green light for each.

As for other fire spells, it was in the Ministry of Magic that we saw Voldemort transform the spiral of flames that bound him into a large serpent, much like Fiendfyre. Whether you can simply extinguish Fiendfyre into a puff of black smoke as Dumbledore did, I do not know, but if anyone would know how to tame it in a safe way, it would be Dumbledore. DaenerysTargaryen01 (talk) 15:13, August 2, 2021 (UTC)

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Voldemort is terrible at counting

Tom Marvolo Riddle is terrible at counting, because if you go to Horcrux —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiKansel (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 April 2019 (UTC).

Horcrux confusion

Ok so we know there are these without a doubt:

Ring

Diary

Diadem

Locket

Goblet

Nagini 

Harry Potter (accidentally)

However in the same book they are introduced in, in the chapter Horcruxes, Dumbeldore literally says the 7th horcrux is Voldermort himself.

8 - Voldermort

Pottermore also states Quirrell also was a Horcrux (Temporarily) meaning  9 - Professor So my confusion is in the books in repeatedly says 7 horcruxes, but they blantantly list 8 (9 if you count info released later on). Was voldermort being his own horcrux (which made no sense in the first place) just dropped? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heartlesslove93 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

Hi there, is the theory that the version of Voldemort we see throughout the book was made from yet another Horcrux? Otherwise, I can't see how the rebounded killing curse killed him in Book 7 but did not kill him when he originally tried to kill Harry. DaenerysTargaryen01 (talk) 14:21, August 2, 2021 (UTC)

Add to 'Wizards' category

Hi,

Can you add him to the Wizards category please?

It is very confusing if I try to browse between Characters that the biggest and most high level category doesn't include Voldemort.

Thanks!

Georgebuston365 (talk) 08:53, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

The category "Dark Wizards" is a direct sub-category of wizards, so therefore, this makes the "Wizards" category redundant here. The same rules applies to all people sorted under "Dark Wizards", which also includes "Death Eaters". This is how categorisation works on this wiki. --RedWizard98 (talk) 12:53, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

Hi @RedWizard98, I understand if the subcategories should go from high to low level, but currently that is not the case: if I want to browse Wizards: https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wizards it doesn't include Voldemort, the Malfoys, the other death eaters etc. while they are surely wizards. I see the https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dark_wizards page is "in Wizards" category, but then it is a bug in the fandom/wikia CMS that subcategory items are not listed under the top level category. Can you give me advice how I can browse in alphabetical order the articles about wizards then if https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wizards  is useless for this purpuse as you see? Thanks! Regards Georgebuston365 (talk) 08:48, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

Bellatrix Lestrange

I believe that Bellatrix Lestrange should be in the romances box. While Voldemort was not in love with her directly, Bellatrix was his lover. Also, we know that at some point Bellatrix did have sex with Voldemort. Therefore, She SHOULD be in the romances box. Also, I have a better image to add to the infobox, yet I don't know how. User talk:Michael Christopher Malfettano III

It was not a true romance. We do not know the circumstances of their sexual encounter. Voldemort was incapable of love, so cannot have any romances on his side.

In answer to the infobox image query, infobox images on a large, central page such as this have to be decided upon via a vote. See here, the last time this happened, to see what I mean. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  15:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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I think that we should put one of these images in the infobox. All of them are a lot better than just his head. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Christopher Malfettano III (talk • contribs) 15:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Well the image has to be from their most recent appearance, so that's a no to 1, 2 and 7. 3 is entirely fan made, so no to that. 6 is also faked, he never wore a hood in the film that that image is from. 4 and 5 have out-of-universe poster effects on them, so I don't know about those either. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  16:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah So? Bellatrix Lestrange's image is a poster. And also 1, 2, 7, and 3 are not fan made. Mabye 6 is, but the rest aren't. Please Set up a vote. I do not know how. Why does the image have to be from the most recent appearence? I think it should be the best image. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Christopher Malfettano III (talk • contribs) 16:25, 5 January 2021‎.

I'm afraid if you want to change the infobox image, you will need to launch a formal vote on this talk page to change it, which will need to be also approved by an administrator. On this wiki, we change things after making formal consensuses, not just on the whims or personal opinions of individual users. The sixth image is also fan-made, so that one is unsuitable (it will also likely be deleted), as we do not allow altered images to be used on this wiki. RedWizard98 (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I did not say 1 2 and 7 are fan made. I said 3 is. Which it is. If you wish to start a vote, contact an admin. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  16:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how to launch a formal vote —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Christopher Malfettano III (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Edit conflict: In response to the Bellatrix Lestrange query, sexual intercourse certainly does not necessarily imply a romantic relationship.

As for the images, none of these seems to be preferrable to the current one, in my opinion (they are all inferior in quality, and most are low-resolution screenshots from the films; the fanedit is unacceptable) with the possible exception of the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 promotional posters. I may be mistaken, but 3 might be a promotional image from the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 video game (a reliable source would need to be provided, of course). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 17:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Seth, I agree with you entirely. And yes, the third image is from the Deathly Hallows part 1 video game. However, many of these images are also duplicates of existing files, and therefore some may need to be deleted in accordance with image policy (including the sixth image which is plain unacceptable). Also, as Seth has said, these images are generally all low quality, low resolution images of film screenshots, making them very much inferior to the existing profile image, which is of excellent quality conversely. RedWizard98 (talk) 18:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed with Seth.Rodolphus (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you Please at least launch a vote on whether we should keep the image or trade it for one of these? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Christopher Malfettano III (talk • contribs) 18:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

As indicated by Seth and Rodolphus, we have decided that none of the images provided in this post are better than the existing profile image, so therefore, we do not want to vote on any of them. We are perfectly happy with the existing one and we wish it to stay. RedWizard98 (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, The Poster images are high resolution, and the current image is just a screenshot of the movie as well. I would use the poster picture that features Voldem0rt and Nagini, Running doynn steps casting the Killing Curse. Personally, I would like if 4 was the new image. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Christopher Malfettano III (talk • contribs) 14:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC).

If you would like to see the image changed, that is fine as that is your personal opinion; however, we as a community are quite happy with the old one remaining and we are not interested in voting for any of these images. RedWizard98 (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I think that the infobox row currently called "romances" should be changed to partners, and then Bellatrix can be added as his ex-lover or just lover, as they still had a relationship and it seems stupid to not include her just because he couldn't feel love and therefore likely aromantic and/or asexual, THEY STILL HAD A RELATIONSHIP. Zayden (talk) 17:01 15 July 2022

Wandless Magic

Out of curiosity - as I know this wiki treats seemingly anything, even video games, as canon - does Tom ever use Wandless Magic in the books? I know he uses quite a bit in the films.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 02:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

0.78125% of his soul was left in his body after the last horcrux was creeated.

Hello https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DOOLUFdgTU&ab_channel=HarryPotterFolklore This guy calculated, assuming that Voldemort's sour splits evenly every time a new horcrux is created, after 1994, he has exactly 0.78125% of his soul left in his body. Where could I include this in the article? or is this better for horcrux? Christian Minassian (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, that video is entirely unofficial, so unfortunately any fan theories it gives do not belong on this wiki. Kind regards. RedWizard98 (talk) 17:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there anywhere that definitively states how much of one's soul splits off from a person when they create a horcrox, E.G. exactly half? If so then this percentage isn't fan theory. If not then I fear that it is fan theory only and can see why it wouldn't be valid here. Christian Minassian (talk) 17:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there is no canon information about the percentage of soul fragments, so it is a fan theory. RedWizard98 (talk) 17:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hitler = Voldemort?

J. K. Rowling Interview 16. July 2005
JK Rowling associated Gellert Grindelwald with Hitler and not Voldemort
LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

On a similar note, I feel like it's really unnecessary to have 1,500+ bytes of 'Behind the scenes' dedicated to dissecting every similarity between the two. Castlemore (talk) 15:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

My deletion of the passage was also meant as a small provocation ;-).
It appears to me that nobody is genuinely interested in these false statements that were put into JKR's mouth. After all, these additions are dated 29 August 2019.
I know of no Interview in which JKR comments on this thesis of comparing Hitler or the other dictators of the Second World War with Voldemort.
In her above interview, she says obviously that her allusions are to Grindelwald and Hitler.
I would be in favour of deleting all these remarks because they do not belong in a Riddle/Voldemort article.
And I apologize for my poor English. If I have expressed myself misunderstand, sorry..LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Upon a cursory search, I did find this article which makes a parallel to bigotry in the HP media to Nazism, from the Leaky Cauldron website (https://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/features/essays/issue27/nazi-germany/). However, I find the statement that there is a definitive, official link to real-life dictators a bit problematic unless unproven with exact statements from Rowling or her team. Perhaps this section is in need of trimming down or removal; I prefer the latter, on the grounds that it is speculative and spurious, since you can compare any fictional villain to a real-life person, such as Hitler. I have prior removed content on Fudge's article which compared him to Donald Trump because of Trump's response to the pandemic, which I found very problematic and biased. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

My point is that JK Rowling is supposed to have said:
Quote on Tom Riddle's page ... "J.K. Rowling, however, uses Hitler as the greater influence for Voldemort" ... where? when? and in which interview is she supposed to have said this?
What I could find are opinions, interpretations of some of JKR's statements/interviews by other authors.
I don't deny the parallels of the Real World to the Magical World.
The events of the Second World War were comparable to Grindelwald's misdeeds. Hitler committed suicide in 1945 and Grindelwald was defeated by Dumbledore in 1945. LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, I certainly wouldn't apologise for this edit Ayla, as it was completely correct. The statement was unverified; Hitler isn't known to be her primary influence for Voldemort. What do people think about the other comparisons, namely the section which makes numerous historical comparisons with other dictators? RedWizard98 (talk) 09:08, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary and not Harry Potter related in the slightest. There is a reference on the blood status page which says that JK Rowling had come up with the concept of blood purity before learning about the Nazis even. Castlemore (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, the associations were way too speculative and overly generous in nature, and largely not related to the official series. I've removed it entirely; if anyone disagrees please can they voice their opinion here. Thanks. RedWizard98 (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

thumbs up, thanks LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 12:35, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Relationships - Family - Harry Potter

Would it be okay for me to move Harry Potter outside of the 'Family' subsection in 'Relationships'? Yes, they are distantly related through the Peverells, but this was in the 13th century and is hardly relevant. Their family connection is not regularly brought up by the characters and they do not recognise one another as relatives. Sirius Black also says that all wizarding families are related. Castlemore (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Photo Change Request

Hello there, I am here to request a change to Voldy's profile pic. The name of the file is Voldemort-Formal.webp and this picture shows his pure evil nature. I mistakenly changed the picture first without starting a discussion, so I would like to apologize for that. Anyways, let me know what you think of the change. IBandGHrules (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

And why do you think the current infobox image needs to be changed? - Peregino (talk) 09:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The image proposed here is of significantly inferior quality to the current one, from the presence of several background characters to its orientation. There is no need to change the image as it has been agreed to be the highest quality. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Peregino please do not insert your own text into another user's message, if you wish to provide the link please do so in your own message. The image is a duplicate of File:Voldemort-smiling.jpg, and it is indeed of inferior quality to the current one, so I'd consider this matter closed already since there's no chance the image will be changed to that one. Not done MalchonC (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)