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OK, here is a crop I made. I just previewed it in the infobox and it actually looks really good. It is without a doubt the best quality image we have. I know the age is a problem, but it ties in with the article title, and despite the transformation he underwent, he was, as Dumbledore said, Just a boy who made all the wrong choices. Again I'm not saying we should use it permanately, just as an interim. Jayce Carver Talk 08:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Also while were on the subject, most recent doesn't always mean best, afterall Wookiepedia use a picture of the young Anakin rather than of the older more recent Vader as their main image. I think this could be because their article is titled Anakin rather than Vader so the image matches the name. If this is the reason then maybe having one of him as Riddle wouldnt be such a bad thing. Jayce Carver Talk 17:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
" Polish word "vwolde" means "representative" or "embassador", " WHAT???!!!! that's not true! I don't know this word it even cant be spelled ! representative = reprezentatywny embassador = ambasador
I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but according to the naming title this should be the name he is always recognized as; he is only called Riddle in his childhood, but Voldemort as an adult, which he is in the entire book series. A previous short-term discussion in the archived talk uses the Anakin Skywalker instead of Vader thing on Wookieepedia as a reason; that's because Vader died as Anakin, while Voldemort died as Voldemort. Might I receive a clarification, please? —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 20:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- See the Naming policy. If that isn't clear though then feel free to ask. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 20:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. The following applies (and I quote):
- An article's title should contain the full first and last names
- For example: Use Ronald Weasley should be used instead of Ron Weasley or Ronald Bilius Weasley
- An article's title should contain the full first and last names
- What part is making you feel like he should be called "Voldemort" or "Lord Voldemort" as opposed to "Tom Riddle"? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 21:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, I understand now. Also, I can see how you can't automatically assume he legally changed it. Alright, thanks. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 21:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
First of all, Voldemort is his name. Second, the majority of people who come to this site will type in Voldemort. I thought i went to the wrong page, because the info box even has the little kid picture. He never appeared as 'Tom Riddle' in the books except for flashbacks.
also, even if you don't agree that this article should be "Lord Voldemort", it should be "Tom Marvolo Riddle" because "Tom Riddle" was his dad. 18.104.22.168 13:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi gang, i would like to talk about the etimology of the "Voldemort" name. In french, "Voldemort" litteraly means "death steal" or "death fly", or to be more accurate, word by word the translation would be "steal of death" or "fly of death". Also, the name "Voldemort" was used in a Warcraft roman to be the translation of the name "Deathwing", the back dragon aspect. As i have tried to tell you, Voldemort actually means something in french, and the name is used for the french versions. Also, Tom Marvolo Riddle was translated in "Tom Elvis Jedusor", making the anagram "Je suis Voldemort", which means "I am Voldemort". Also, there's two mistakes in the etimology part of the article. The first one is that "vol de mort" isn't a French expression. The second one is that someone typed "vol de mort" wrong and put 2e where there's none. I don't think that the French translation of Tom Marvolo Riddle and the use of Voldemort is intresting, but please edit the part about the French etymology. I don't have any concrete proof of what i'm telling, but I'm French and I think that every French to who you'd ask agrees with me. Just please add something about the French meaning of Voldemort, pick up things from my second sentence. 22.214.171.124 01:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Unknown
- Or even Flight of Death =) Mafalda Hopkirk 12:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
I. Do not. Believe it.
You actually voted for the picture of his miserable child self? What in the world is wrong with the lot of you? This is Lord Voldemort, Darkest Wizard in a century, scourge of the wizarding world and doom upon muggles and those around them. Yet here we show him, as an 11 year old.
The lot of you are mad, utterly mental.
Firstly he is seventeen in the photo not eleven. Secondly saying What in the world is wrong with the lot of you? and The lot of you are mad, utterly mental., is a personal attack against those who voted for the current main image. May I please suggest that you choose your words more carefully in the future. Jayce Carver Talk 06:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Please excuse my mistake about his age. However, I shall not revoke my attack on the lot of you that voted for it, because one I would be lying if I said it wasn't an attack, and the fact remains that the lot of you are indeed, mental. I have tried arguing politely, and now I have attempted to tell you how idiotic putting that picture there is. Since neither has worked, I suppose there's nothing to be done for it. I have nothing against anyone here, but it doesn't change the fact that you've put an image of a kid where an evil dark wizard should be.
Also, if you don't like me using the word "mental", then I suggest that you not read the books, as Ron uses it at least a few times in every chapter he's in
- Your tone is rather out of line, Imperial Misanthrope, though I understand your dissatisfaction with the current infobox image. Looks like I missed out on the debate, but I think it is preferable to use a more recent image of Voldemort for the infobox, although I can see the logic behind using File:Tom Riddle Half-Blood Prince Profile.jpg. Compared to the other pictures in Category:Images of Tom Marvolo Riddle, it's well-lit, forward-facing, and has a neutral expression. I suppose it also has the advantage of presenting Tom Riddle as he was before his appearance was drastically altered by the Dark Arts. I would still prefer a more recent image, though, so I've got my DVDs out and I'm going to search for suitable screenshots. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 16:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- That one's pretty dark, though. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 22:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
When one tries to reason with someone, and reason fails but you still don't agree with what said person is doing, what do you do? If you can come up with an appropriate answer for that, then tell me I'm being out of line. I think my tone is quite necessary for the situation, but then both I and everyone else is biased on the subject
- I agree with Matoro that the old pic worked better. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 23:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Well I think that one is far too dark. Matoro, the image was changed because we voted on it and the vast majoroity of users on this site wanted the current one. The will of the majoroity cannot be overturned because the minority are dissatisfied. I'm sorry to those who do not like the current main image, but this is how it works, everyone had a chance to make their voices heard. Imperial Misanthrope, I suggest you read the policy on no personal attacks. Being out of line is one thing, but admiting that the comment you made was intended as an attack and refusing to apologize, or correct your manner is a direct violation of policy and grounds for banning. As a sufferer of OCD I found your comments extremely hurtfull, and although I'm sure you didn't mean mental in that sense seeing as you admitting that you were being offensive, that is of little consolation. I really don't think this needs to be discussed further. The vote closed over a week ago. The will of the community is clear. Jayce Carver Talk 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- I understand you, but I don't understand why the users did choose it, as no comments made it clear as to why his 17 year old self was chosen in stead of his latest, 71-year-old self. And, as I've seen that Darth Vader's 20-year-old self is his profile image on Wookieepedia is a common answer to this, I would like to clarify that that is because that is how he is last seen, in his redeemed spirit. If he was never redeemed, it'd be of the iconic Vader appearance. So, what is the reason as to why young Riddle was the majority above his current state, Jayce? —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 18:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently nothing I do or say is going to insert any sense into this Democracy. I mean no personal offence to anyone, anyone taking it that way is either paranoid, or is attempting to turn my words into something worse than they are. Your mental health is of no concern or business of mine, so implying that I am trying to make a personal attack on anyone is simply ridiculous. My alias should give some idea as to what I think about votes
In my opinion the image was chosen because it was the best quality. Imperial Misanthrope, I've already said I know you didn't mean mental in that context, however I still found it offensive, which is why I suggested earlier that you should choose your words more carefully. You yourself said it was intended as an attack against those who voted for the image, including me, so the intention behind your words, or their effect on me is a moot. In fact this entire disccusion is moot. What you think about votes is of no consequence, here, we do things by the vote. The main image is staying and continuing to whine about it will change nothing. Jayce Carver Talk 07:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Whining, hmm. Well as long as you continue to be condescending, and taking my words personally when there is no call for it, I see no reason to continue. Besides, if you find me offensive, I'm surprised you read any of the books at all, since Ron says "mental" nearly every other chapter
It's not condescending because thas exactly what your doing. You didn't get you own way, so now your throwing insults around. In the book Ron's not talking to me is he, wheras you were, and you said in your second comment that your words were ment as a personal attack, so how else am I supposed to interprut them. Jayce Carver Talk 13:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hey! There's no need to argue! Me (and a bunch of other user who didn't vote for the current picture) are not happy with the voting results ourselves, but you don't see us complaining. The community has voted. That image won. Period. Now, when a better picture of Voldemort is released (preferencebly an adult Voldemort), there will be another voting and the image shall be (or shall be not) replaced. Until then, there's no point in argueing. -- Seth Cooper (Owl Post) 13:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Can I remind everyone who does not like the current main image, that it was voted under the condition that it was tempory, until the Deathly Hallows film is released. Also if we are going to be using the most recent appearance we will eventually be using an image of the flayed baby at King's Cross for Voldy's main image. Jayce Carver Talk 07:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Uhh...we can't really say its staying until DH is released. Maybe until there are some new shots, but not until a release date -- that's kinda silly. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 12:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The only problem is he is not going to be in HBP as far as I'm aware, so the next appearance of him will be DH. I did find a another image of him from OOTP which I'm currently using for the main image of the Project Snakeface sandbox. I'm not saying we WILL be using an image of the flayed baby, I'm just curious as to what those who say the main image should be his most recent appearance would think about usig that image, as it is technically his most recent appearance (how he appears after he dies). Jayce Carver Talk 13:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd love another vote, using the preferrentail voting system this time. Everyone who voted for the other options beside the adult one and the...child... can vote again. THen we'll be voting out of two candidates. Does this work? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess so. I think there is a set time period that must pass before another vote maybe held. I could be wrong, if so I'm fine with another vote. However, if the voting goes the same way as before certain people need to learn to except consensus and back down, because all this discusion of the same issue is getting tedious. Jayce Carver Talk 06:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is that many people will not accept the consensus because there really wasn't one. Sure there were 12 votes for the picture that is currently in use, but the majority of those are from users that don't participate to a large degree and it seems that many of the users who do contribute a lot were unaware that this was an issue. I do agree though, we can't just revote because the result is undesirable. Perhaps if more pictures, etc. are released. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 16:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
It seems a bit elitist to value certain voters above others because they participate more. Afterall, we all participate to varying degrees based on what our real lives allow. Take me for example, I go to college most days which is why I'm only here early morning and late afternoon. We can't hold it against people just because theve got better things to do than edit the site. At anyrate a votes a vote. Revoting would give certain people the imperssion that when the vote doesnt go their way, all they need do is complain and the'll get what they want. It sends a very bad message. Jayce Carver Talk 07:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not valuing more -- I'm pointing out that not all are allowed to vote per the voting policy. And please don't insult me. I'm not valuing users over other users, I'm just trying to describe to you why people may be upset. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 13:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Calm down, I wasn't trying to insult you, I'm sorry it came across that way. And beleive me I checked the contributions of all who participated in the vote, they all have the required amount of edits. It just seems to me like there is a bit of a divide among users where the amount you contribute is considered your rank. I'm not accusing you directly of this I'm just saying what I see. And besides just because a user doesnt contribute much doesnt mean there not going to, which is what I was trying to say before, again I'm sorry it came out wrong. Jayce Carver Talk 16:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm calm. And I don't care how many edits a user has -- the only time it matters is for voting, and the only reason it was set up that way is to prevent sock puppet accounts that vote to force a particular outcome. Unfortunately I think in this situation we're not going to be able to get everyone to agree. We really need a more concrete way of choosing pictures, should it be their "current" picture, the picture of how they view themself, etc.? Starstuff and I talked about it a bit last night, but we were mostly recategorizing things so...didn't get around so much to doing that. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 18:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I understand why we restrict voting, and I fully support it. In fact, I think the restrictions should be even stricter. However when all the users who vote meet the criteria, I really don't think it's fair on them to be debating their descision and asking for a revote. If yourself, Starstuff and Matoro had all voted for the teenage riddle image, everyone would have accepted it without question, they may not have been happy about it, but they wouldnt be pushing to get it changed like this. I honestly think people aren't taking the vote seriously because those who voted for the teen voldy aren't as active on the site as others. Jayce Carver Talk 07:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, I think you misread my comment (or maybe I poorly wrote it?) When I checked they did not all pass (if I remember correctly, it was honestly a few days ago and I've done a lot since then). But whatever, its the past: what do you suggest we do to solve this? -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 13:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Well I checked each user as soon as they voted, and they did all have twenty edits each. But as you said, past is past. As for how to solve it, like I said before I think the number of edits a user must have before voting should be increased. To how much? That would be up for discussion. If we are going to discuss it formally I think this topic should be moved from Tom Riddle's talk page as this isn't really the place to debate site matters. Jayce Avada Kedavra 13:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
What about a composite picture? I threw this together as an example. Nick O'Demus 14:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah I'm sure my vote means absolutely nothing (which is true), but I'd go with that composite. Mainly because...well..when you do a search for Voldemort...the picture you expect to see is Voldemort..not his "former" self.--TheUltimate3 01:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- If anyone can create a collage images (Different images in a single photo) of Voldemort like what we see in the Horcrux article. I think the debate will be over. --ÈnŔîčö (Send me an Owl!) 14:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, I think that Tom Riddle/Voldemorts Wikia page should have a picture of him as Voldemort as seen in the Order of the Phoenix film (his latest appearance as he wasn't in HBP as an adult). Flashbacks of his childhood should not represent him as they are not "recent" pictures, it's like a passport, if you have a picture of you as a child or you at your current age you would use the one of you at your current age is it best represents you. Patr0nus 22:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone called Lammario has changed the headshot again. I am sorry for what I did earlier and I support thie decision about the new headshot. But I'm afraid it has been changed. Again. please look into this matter. --Incredisuper.
Would it be worth mentioning that in the movies his name is Thomas Marvolo Riddle, not just Tom? My source comes from the first Half-Blood Prince movie trailer, in which Dumbledore is looking through the Pensieve memories stored in glass bottles, and they are labled seperately as T. Riddle, T. M. Riddle, Tom Riddle, Tom Riddle, Jr., and Thomas Marvolo Riddle. It may also be worth noting that, in the movie version of events, he would be Tom Riddle the Third, because they also have his grandfather's name as Thomas Riddle --Parodist 22:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Could you provide a link?--Matoro183 (Talk) 22:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Good find. The only problem this presents is we already have his granfather at Thomas Riddle, so what would we move this article to? The way I see it we have three options. A: We move this article to Thomas Riddle III. B: We move Thomas Riddle to Thomas Riddle Sr, Tom Riddle Sr to Thomas Riddle Jr and this article to just Thomas Riddle. C: We re-examine the naming policy so that this article may be moved to either Voldemort or Thomas Marvolo Riddle Jayce •Avada Kedavra•Crucio•Imperio• 08:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I just double checked, and I found these: Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince, Scholastic ed. Ch. 10, p. 212: "Very good indeed, said Dumbledore, beaming. "Yes, that was Tom Riddle senior, the handsome Muggle who used to go riding past the Gaunt cottage and for whom Merope Gaunt cherished a secret, burning passion." Ch. 17, p. 366: "Meanwhile, in the village of Little Hangleton, a maid was running along the High Street, screaming that there were three bodies lying in the drawing room of the big house: Tom Riddle Senior and his mother and father." Nick O'Demus 08:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- In the books Rowling makes a point that Voldemort is Tom Riddle, Jr., and yet the movies have him as Thomas Riddle the Third, so the best we could have is that in a behind the scenes section or something. --Parodist 14:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
In the german version of the Harry Potter books, his second name is changed from Marvolo to Vorlost, to form a german anagramm. What about other countries? Is there a change of the second name, too? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 26 June 2009.
- You can find a list of the different middle names this character is given in translations here. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 23:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Because Voldemort had only heard the first part of Sybill Trelawney's prophecy, he didn't know that by going after the Potters, he would be creating his own archnemesis. (The whole "marking him as his equal" and "he'll have power the Dark Lord knows not" thing). If you've got the Scholastic edition of Half-Blood Prince on hand, read Harry and Dumbledore's discussion on pages 509-512. It'll clear things up. - Nick O'Demus 18:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
New main imageHey everyone. I'd like to propose a change of the main image. To me it makes very little sense to have an image of Voldemort as a seventeen year old boy, when he died at the age of seventy one. This is the image I'd propose changing it to, . Not the best, I know, but it's better than what's there at the moment. It's a promotional image Ralph Fienns did for HBP. Also, I don't quite understand why this article is at Tom Riddle, when he hasn't gone by the name since he was eleven. I understand we have a naming policy but I think this article should be an excetion. To quote Dumbledore - "My dear Professor, surely a sensible person like yourself can call him by his name? All this "You-Know-Who" nonsense - for eleven years I have been trying to persuade people to call him by his proper name: Voldemort." and also "Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things". Jayden Matthews 18:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- I personally like this image, but I can tell you what everyone else will say. They'll tell you that "its too dark" and "the background is distracting." As to the naming policy, everyone is going to say that "Tom Riddle was his first and proper name, just like Darth Vader is properly known as Anakin Skywalker", and that "the picture of him as a child is acceptable because it matches the name at the top of the page." --Parodist 19:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- I fear you may be right. It's not really dark, just de-saturized, it's very good quality though. As for the name, he may have been born Riddle but he died Voldemort and was last and almost exclusively known by that name. Jayden Matthews 19:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that this is a better picture, and that he should be called Voldemort, not to mention this one shows his child self in the background as well, but the majority of the editors will argue against it. --Parodist 19:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Great image. 188.8.131.52 21:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Anyone else got any thoughts on this? Jayden Matthews 15:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- While I support the use of this image I wasn't suggesting it be changed outright. The young Riddle image was voted for, so any changes need to be discussed first. Jayden Matthews 07:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
So how do we get on to starting a vote? The name of the article being Tom Riddle I can understand, but a picture of what he looks like early in life, when clearly isn't that anymore is just...odd.--TheUltimate3 03:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Adding:The thing is, both Voldemort and Tom Riddle would be appropriate for this article (I believe at the Star Wars wiki though, they would have used Voldemort because that was the name he went, and died by see Darth Cadeus. I'm not sure if those rules apply here however), but the picture should be his most recent, up to date. In terms of media, the child would be "the most recent", but in the books AND the films, the older mutant man is what he is and died as.--TheUltimate3 03:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The preivious vote took place back in May, so I see no reason why a new one should not be started now. I think we should try to find a variety of images to propose rather than just the two we have at the moment. And, yes, unfortunately there is a naming standard that says to only use a persons real name. However I feel that this should be an obvious exception. Jayden Matthews 08:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Regarding the name, there is a clear policy on this. As for Wookiepedia, while that may be a standard practise there, it would be unprecedented here. Name one other character where the title is used instead of the given name when both are known. For example, here Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington is used instead of Nearly Headless Nick. The article title should remain, with Voldemort redirecting to it.
- However, it wouldn't be unreasonable to add Voldemort to the infobox title, something along the lines of:
| Tom Marvolo Riddle / |
- As for the image, we could open voting for one week. Images should be as recent as possible, although since his appearance in HBP is only through flashbacks, OotP images should be allowed too. Anyone can nominate other images. The proposed candidates so far are:
- http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tom_Riddle_Half-Blood_Prince_Profile.jpg (previous winner)
- Nick O'Demus 10:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not attacking anybody that voted for the seventeen year old Riddle, but it has to be changed. It is like putting a one-year old Harry instead of an up to date image. Tom Riddle may be who he was and always will be, but he is Lord Voldemort now. He no longer has the "handsome" features passed on from his Father, he has a serprent-like face due to his overuse and involvement of total Dark Magic. Look at the current main quotes displayed referring to him, it does not fit with that image.
Looking at the current image of Harry and Voldemort an outsider would wonder what the rivalry was and that they could be friends! It does not represent the current form of the most powerful Dark Wizard of All-Time. And it can't. Should we replace Dumbledore's image with that of a 17-year-old when we get it from flashback scenes in The Deathly Hallows the film adaptions? Ryan-McCulloch 03:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Your right, I suggested a new main image awhile ago, but nobody responded. Jayden Matthews 07:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Images should be the most recent canon available. However, the promotional image shown above should work and looks pretty good. Jayden, where did you find that image? Was there a larger version that had more of his younger self's face in the background?
- However, the name of the article should remain Tom Riddle, with Voldemort redirecting to it. He's still Tom Riddle, even if he personally denies it. This was a major point of book 6, and both Dumbledore and Harry challenge him by using his real name when speaking to him.
- Nick O'Demus 14:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes. Dumbledore does it to make Voldemort aware he is not intimidated by the name. Which would, in turn, slightly intimidate Voldemort. And disallow him to control him in any way. By making Voldemort aware he is unafraid of him, he makes Voldemort aware that he would stand up to him.
- ""I know what you are known as," said Dumblefore, smiling pleasantly. "But to me, I'm afraid, you will always be Tom Riddle. It is one of the irritating things about old teachers, I am afraid, they never quite forget their charges' youthful beginnings.""
- —Albus Dumbledore on not referring to Tom Riddle by his chosen name.[src]
And then the narrative:
- "He raised his glass as though toasting Voldemort, whose face remained expressionless. Nevertheless, Harry felt the atmosphere in the room change subtly: Dumbledore's refusal to use Voldemort's chosen name was a refusal to allow Voldenort to dictate the terms of the meeting, and Harry could tell Voldemort took it as such."
- —Harry's thoughts on Dumbledore not using Voldemort's name.[src]
The article should remain the same name. But the picture to the new images of his current state. Ryan-McCulloch 22:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Dumbledore is just one man, the rest of the wizarding world almost exclusively knew him as Voldemort, and that's certainately how he is going to be remembered. I think we should follow Wookiepeedia's example of using the name a person was known as at the time of the death and posthumously. Example: Darth Bane rather than Dessel, Darth Caedus rather than Jacen Solo, Darth Ruin rather than Phanius, Darth Krayt rather than A'Sharad Hett, Darth Malak rather than Alek etc. Jayden Matthews 11:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- This is kind of late to the discussion, but just to clarify.
- "Tom Riddle hit the floor with mundane finality..."
- —Voldemort's death.[src]
According to the naming policy an individuals article title should contain their full first and last names. In the Half-Blood Prince movie Dumbledore has Thomas Marvolo Riddle written on his memory bottles. The books don't explicitly say that his full name is Thomas, but they don't contradict it either, so doesn't that mean this article should be Thomas Riddle? Jayden Matthews 18:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- No. Tom Riddle is so much better. The movies aren't considered the true canon, they're a second. From all the evidence we can gather from the books he is simply Tom. And in the chapter describing his birth it says he was to be called Tom after his Father. So the Orphanage named him so. In the second book and movie he writes his name as Tom, too. The anagram also doesn't work with Thomas, well it could be I Has Am Lord Voldemort". Ryan-McCulloch 19:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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Voldemort as the Nietzschean superman
I've noticed that Voldemort is practically the very archetype of Friedrich Nietzsche's concept of the Ubermensche (aka: Superman). According to Nietzsche, the Ubermensche is an individual who eschews morality and ethics in the pursuit of power which is according to Nietzsche, the highest possible goal. Eschewing morality and ethics in the pursuit of power is Voldemort to a tee. Also the death of Dumbledore could be seen to represent the Death of God in Thus Spake Zarathustra. Also recall Voldemort's statement in The Philosopher's Stone. "There is no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it." That's a very Nietzschean statement! Should a mention of Voldemort's similarities to the Ubermensche perhaps be made in the article?
PS: really might want to think about changing the name of the article from Tom Riddle to Lord Voldemort.
--Lucifuge Rofacale 13:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- I do not agree. As Tom Riddle and Lord Voldemort are the same person, I think it wouldn't be apropriate. -- 20:58, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
This Part about the arabic language is totally wrong: " The Arabic word "demuhrt" which means "wizard" or more specifically "dark wizard" could also be an inspiration. "
a Wizard in Arabic is called "saHir (ساحر)"
Am i the only one that thinks Voldemort should have won?
He was so much cooler than Harry
No, he was evil.
I know that this has now been discussed a hundred times over, but I am still inclined to think that this article should be called Lord Voldemort, despite this wiki's naming policy, which I have read and found to be very clear and well thought out, but I believe that this could be an exception. On Wookiepedia, the Star Wars wiki, for instance, the name of the article is always the name that person went by at the time of their death, for example, Darth Vader redeemed himself before death and so is listed under Anakin Skywalker. However, Voldemort remained Voldemort until his death. I believe it was user Nick O'Deamus who made the following argument.
- "Regarding the name, there is a clear policy on this. As for Wookiepedia, while that may be a standard practise there, it would be unprecedented here. Name one other character where the title is used instead of the given name when both are known. For example, here Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington is used instead of Nearly Headless Nick. The article title should remain, with Voldemort redirecting to it."
- —Nick O'Deamus
While I accept that he makes a valid point, I would further my opinion that Nearly Headless Nick's article is under Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington because that was his name at the time of his death. Just a thought. --Parodist 00:50, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I understand your side of the argument, but I can't bring myself to think of him as Tom Riddle, when his more common name was Lord Voldemort. While I acknowledge that the name Voldemort had no legal status, I still question it; we know so little about his early life that, for all we know, his name may have never been written down legally, and it was simply what every who knew him knew him by. He was, of course, born in Wool's Orphanage, and we have no idea what happened in the law over him after that point, and who's to say he didn't have his name changed by the the Ministry of Magic when he became an adult? Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No. It seems to me, at this point, that the only logical thing to do would be to have a community vote, like we do with images. --Parodist 02:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- As Matoro183 pointed out, Tom Riddle was his name at the time of his death too.
- "Tom Riddle hit the floor with mundane finality [...]"
- —DH, ch.36, p.744[src]
- Also, a major plot point of HBP was that even though he shrouded himself in his new identity, he retained the same character and habits that he'd had as a child. However, I still think it would be feasible to change the infobox name to "Tom Marvolo Riddle / Lord Voldemort" while keeping the article name as "Tom Riddle". - Nick O'Demus 04:11, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I think we should defer to Dumbledore on this one and call him by his "true" name. Mafalda Hopkirk 12:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- To quote Dumbledore, Mafalda: "For eleven years I have been trying to persuade people to call him by his proper name: Voldemort." --184.108.40.206 15:13, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- And yet whenever Dumbledore spoke to him directly, he called him "Tom". - Nick O'Demus 15:30, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
- As a way of insulting him by calling him by the name he willingly gave up. However, to my memory, when talking of him, Dumbledore always called him Voldemort, unless he was referring to him as a child. --15:44, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
The Body of the Dark Lord.
There has been some confusion regarding the form of Lord Voldemort after his ressurection in 1995. When Voldemort killed Harry Potter's parents in 1981, his body was not that of the one we see in the Goblet of Fire. The face of Voldemort in Philosopher's Stone belonged to the body that was dissintegrated in October 1981. So, the body we see in GOF is a new body, not the same one. JK Rowling stated that Voldemort had gone through so many transformations, it is not possible to identify him as the handsome boy he once was. This implies that it was a new body that was made in GOF, although still having some similar features to his old body including a bald head, white face and hands, no facial hair etc... Even David Heyman, in an interview on the GOF Special Features DVD, said that when Voldemort first comes out of the cauldron, he tests his body out because it is new to him. Lee7003 09:20, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
ummm I'm not sure if this was a typo or not, but it doesn't sound right. In the whole early life thing, the quote says at the end , "I can make hurt them..."and so forth and so on. Will someone please look into that one, because I don't want to change it if I'm wrong. Random Siggy about Sirius!! -- Kodi13 00:33, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Tom Riddle the 3rd?
If his father was Tom (which is short for Thomas) Riddle and his grandfather was Thomas Riddle, wouldn't that make His grandfather Tom Riddle Sr., His father Tom Riddle Jr., and him Tom Riddle the Third? also when was it stated that his grandfather's name was Thomas Riddle? i don't remember that from the books.
AHEM! Why isn't this called Voldemort? We know him as Voldemort, not by his Childhood name, since Voldemort is what we are familiar with. He only appears as Riddle in flasbacks. TurboGolf 06:54, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Because of the community consensus. -- 07:19, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hey all! Myself and T.J. have worked together on a new intro for the article, which I feel is more comprehensive than the current one. I'll post it here for viewing purposes. Does anyone mind if I replace it? If not, Please leave constructive critisism. Thanks. Jayden Matthews 20:33, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
Thomas Marvolo Riddle, first known as Tom Riddle and dreaded as Lord Voldemort, was the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time. An exceedingly handsome, polite and popular orphan, Tom Riddle was once thought to be the most talented pupil to ever walk through the doors of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. To the school at large he presented the respectable face of a student like any other. In reality, however, Riddle was cruel, sadistic, manipulative and power hungry. Having achieved outstanding grades in every examination he took, Riddle left Hogwarts and went on to a brief employment at Borgin and Burkes, before disappearing from public view completely
Having embraced the seductive Dark Arts he encountered in his travels, the former Tom Riddle, now known exclusively as Lord Voldemort, raised an enormous army comprised of followers he recruited both at school and afterward, as well as many dark creatures. This army, known as the Death Eaters began a campaign of terror and violence never before seen in Britain. After hearing half of a prophecy referring to a single being with the power to destroy him, Voldemort set off to kill Harry Potter, to whom he believed the prophecy referred. After murdering Harry's parents, Lily and James, Voldemort turned his wand upon the boy. However, due to Lily Potter's loving sacrifice, Voldemort's curse rebounded upon him and his body destroyed. Stripped of his power, Voldemort fled to a far flung forest in Albania, to await the day where a faithful servant would return him to his body. After thirteen years of waiting that day would finally arrive, and with the use of Potter’s own blood, Voldemort once again returned to power.
Although he initially lay low, Voldemort was soon forced into the open, and began his bloody conquest of the wizarding world anew. After two years of constant warfare, Voldemort finally gained control of the Ministry of Magic, and ruled relatively unopposed, save for a few pockets of resistance. Despite his hold over the country, Voldemort was still unsatisfied, as he had yet to remove the danger the prophecy presented to him. After learning of Potters location, Voldemort set out to destroy the boy once and for all launching his entire amassed force against Hogwarts. Upon arriving at the school, Voldemort was met by a full scale rebellion of Hogwarts staff and students, along with the members of the Order of the Phoenix and the residents of Hogsmeade. As the battle progressed the Death Eaters were driven into the Great Hall, where Voldemort engaged Harry Potter in a duel, and, because all of his Horcruxes were destroyed, Tom Marvolo Riddle was finally killed once and for all.
- It seems great. However, the name Thomas Marvolo Riddle is non-canonical, as his first name came from his father who was simply "Tom". -- 21:24, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
what caused him to be a dark wizard?
I really wanna know that? What were he's reasons, he's real reasons. He's only pure-bloods, but did that mean all the half-blood children and parents has to die? --Station7 20:44, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Well, if no one has answered yet, I say that he became a Dark Wizard because he was raised in an orphanage, with children whom he thought they were weaker and less intelligent than him. The loss of a family, the fact that he didn't have any friends and the belief that he was a superior to everyone, because he was handsome and clever, caused him become a Dark Wizard. User:Quirinus Quirrell
not real appearence
He appearered only in flashbacks in The Half-Blood Prince! Not in the real timeline.--Station7 15:54, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
- It's still an appearance, though, isn't it? —C Teng 04:23, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
Aren´t Death Eaters defined as the followers of Lord Voldemort? You can´t be a follower of yourself, can´t you? I would move it to Dark Wizard. Or has there been a discussion on this before?--Rodolphus 15:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
The infoboxes are defined by affiliation. Like on Wookieepedia they have "Sith individual infoboxes" but you don't have to be a sith to use the infobox. You just have to be affilliated with them. So all the soldiers and minions that serve the Sith also have Sith infoboxes. To me, it doesn't make sense to use a less specific infobox. Jayden Matthews 16:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn´t Greyback have a Death Eater infobox then?--Rodolphus 16:31, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
- Because Greyback is not really a Death Eater. It is stated in Book 7. --ÈnŔîčö DC(Send me an Owl!) 02:02, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
Voldemort isn´t a real Death Eater, too.--Rodolphus 14:43, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Lee Jordan calls him "the Chief Death Eater" on Potterwatch in Deathly Hallows. - 220.127.116.11 14:47, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
Quote at top
They were only discussing a PIECE of his sole. Most of it was possible to help, though improbable (make him feel remorse) 18.104.22.168 03:41, December 3, 2009 (UTC)That's a good point. How about this one.
- Rubeus Hagrid: "It begins, I suppose, with - with a person called - but it's incredible yeh don't know his name, everyone in our world knows -"
- Harry Potter: "Who?"
- Rubeus Hagrid: "Well - I don' like sayin' the name if I can help it. No one does"
- Harry Potter: "Why not?"
- Rubeus Hagrid: "Gulpin gargoyles, Harry people are still scared. Blimey, this is difficult. See, there was this wizard who went bad. As bad as you could go. Worse. Worse than worse. His name was ..."
- Harry Potter: "Could you write it down?"
- Rubeus Hagrid: " Nah - can't spell it. All right - Voldemort."
- Harry Potter: "Voldemort?"
- — Rubeus Hagrid and Harry Potter[src]
. Jayden Matthews 14:39, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm I am confused. I know I havnt read DH in a few months, but I wasnt aware there was proof they were talking about Riddles soul. -- Ratneer Owl Me! 17:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
It's fan made, so no. Jayden Matthews 11:24, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
The shot is missing the head of Voldemort in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, as this face was also considered a transformation. I like the picture currently featured on the article. 22.214.171.124 20:47, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Voldemort's Relation to Harry Potter
Just wondering, could anyone tell me how Harry is related to Voldemort? Thanks.
Harry and Voldemort are distantly related through the Preverell family. Voldemort is descended from the second brother Cadmus Preverell through his mother Merope Gaunt. Harry is descended from Ignotius Preverell through his father's family. --Hcoknhoj 03:09, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you!
Well all I can say is that it's about time there was an actual image of him in his current form. Putting his child appearance made no sense at all. It was utterly mental to show him as a child when his chronological age was that of his adult form.
- Technically both his young and old forms are pictured, so it was a bit of a compromise. - Nick O'Demus 10:21, February 23, 2010 (UTC)