Talk:Salazar Slytherin

There is no reason why Salazar Slytherin and Cadmus Peverell are related. Just because Tom Marvolo Riddle is related to both does not mean the two of them are. They are not contemporaries and Riddle is related to them through different lines, they are not direct descendants of each other. I am removing Cadmus Peverell,

Salazar Slytherin was one of the first recorded Parselmouths?

how can he be that if Herpo the Foul was one too, and he lived in Ancient Greece, while Salazar Slytherin lived after that time?Faustfan 20:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

"One of the first recorded Parselmouths" is not the same as "the first known Parselmouth." Herpo the Foul and Salazar Slytherin were among the first known Parselmouths, and there were presumably others besides them, both recorded and unrecorded. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 16:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Descendants

Could it be possible to create an article listing descendants of Salazar Slytherin? As the family line is vastly complicated. Notdoppler 23:46, September 25th 2009 (UTC)

That is covered in Slytherin family. The article sure needs a cleanup, though. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:53, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I did some major work to the Slytherin family page. --Parodist 00:34, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Wait if Harry Potter is related to Ignotis Peverell or however you spell it does that mean he is releted to Voldermort and Salazar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scar34 (talk • contribs).

To Voldemort, yes, through the Peverell bloodline, but most likely not descended from Slytherin. In Chamber of Secrets, it's established Harry is not the "Heir of Slytherin", as he has no control over the Basilisk. It's likely that Salazar Slytherin's bloodline and Cadmus Peverell's simply mixed at some point in the Gaunt's ancestors. - Nick O'Demus 12:41, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Slytherin Different then Voldemort

I've always wondered if Slytherin is much different the his heir, Tom Riddle. I think so because During Slytherin's time Wizards were suffering much persecution and Slytherin wanted to avoid Muggle-borns because of fear they turn on the other wizards. Ztyran

When was that ever mentioned as a reason why Slytherin didn't want muggle-borns? (Anonymius (talk) 19:32, February 4, 2013 (UTC))

You're right. You could say that Slytherin's mistrust of muggle-borns was quite understandable, given the persecution by muggles against wizards. Jayden Matthews 17:53, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

The European witch-hunts only found between 1450 to 1750 217.88.27.90 17:28, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

"You all know, of course, that Hogwarts was founded over a thousand years ago - the precise date is uncertain - by the four greatest witches and wizards of the age. They built this castle together, far from prying Muggle eyes, for it was an age when magic was feared by common people, and witches and wizards suffered much persecution."

Professor Binns (CS)

--Jj7362 21:58, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Voting - Infobox main image

There has been some dispute over the picture in the infobox, so I am putting the matter to a vote.

Normal Voting policy applies. The vote will remain open for one week, closing at 13:30 (wiki time) on January 18th.

Current image

Gif version of current image

From Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets DVD (Disc 2)

File:Salazar Slytherin WOTM.jpg (+0)

1. Jayden Matthews 15:15, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

File:Salazar Slytherin (full size).gif (+4)

1. Nick O'Demus 13:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
2. --Rodolphus 13:48, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
3. --Hcoknhoj 15:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
4. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

File:Salazar Slytherin.jpg (+6)

1. Jayce ^{•Avada Kedavra•Crucio•Imperio•} 15:07, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
2. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 15:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
3. - Patr0nus ^{( Expecto Patronum! )} 16:15, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
4. Jayden Matthews 18:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

   Mouldywart ^Talk 17:27, January 19, 2010 (UTC) (Verified sock puppet, violation of voting and multiple accounts policy, blocked indefinitely)

5. --L.V.K.T.V.J.'^{(Send an owl!)} 21:01, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
6. -- Ratneer ^{Owl Me!} 21:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

   Robbyfenwick ^Talk 21:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC) (Verified sock puppet, violation of voting and multiple accounts policy, blocked indefinitely)

Comments

• The current pic is from JKR's official website, which counts as Tier 1 Canon. As I understand it, the pic from the film is from a deleted scene, and would therefore be noncanon cut content. - Nick O'Demus 13:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
• I agree.--Rodolphus 13:48, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  • The picture is visable in Dumbledore's office when Harry visits, and so is not cut content. We also have images from J.K.'s site of Dumbledore and Harry, but we don't use them as the main images because life like images from the films are preferable. The same holds true for every other charcter, so I don't see why this one should be different. Jayce ^{•Avada Kedavra•Crucio•Imperio•} 15:07, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • Although I usually would prefer a movie image, I think Slytherin looks too benign and granfatherly in the third image, which is, of course, completely contrary to his character. Jayden Matthews 15:15, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
      • I think a photo-realistic image is better than a cartoon. It doesn't matter if the painting is from a deleted scene, as cut content is considered canon on this wiki. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 15:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
        • Since when? - Nick O'Demus 15:34, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
          • I think everything is canon unless it contradicts J.K.. Whether or not the image is cut content is irrelevant, as it can be seen briefly during the film. Still, not the right image for the infobox, in my opinion. Jayden Matthews 15:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
            • But wouldn't the presence of Slytherin's portrait create a fairly significant plothole? If the portraits are bound to serve the current headmaster (if only grudgingly, like Phineas Nigellus), why couldn't Dumbledore just insist that Salazar tell him where the Chamber of Secrets was, and what was inside it? Similarly, in Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore can only theorize as to the possibility of Voldemort finding an object of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's to turn into a Horcrux, with no hints as to what it might be. If the founders had portraits in his office, you'd think Dumbledore could have asked them himself about some of their notable possessions. And then in Deathly Hallows, once Harry realizes the diadem is the Horcrux, why couldn't he have just asked Ravenclaw herself about it through her portrait instad of running around like he did? It just doesn't seem likely that the founders had portraits like the others in the headmaster's office. - Nick O'Demus 15:59, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
              • That's a very good point. Unfortunately Harry Potter is riddled with plotholes. We just to have to accept what we're given. Jayden Matthews 16:04, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
                • To adress your plotholes, perhaps Rowena simply wasn´t Headmistress and didn´t have a Portrait due to this? We can only speculate or were there Portraits of the other founders in the film? We could include it into the BTS section.--Rodolphus 16:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
                  • I'm changing my vote. As the portrait is technically his most recent chronological appearance. The WOTM image also contradicts canon, as Slytherin's locket is gold not silver. Jayden Matthews 18:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
                • Although Slytherin's locket is gold and not silver, I still prefer the image from JKR's Site for consistency with the other founder's articles. Also, on this image, Salazar is more visible than in the portrait one. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
                  • This votes's been open for two weeks now. Should we close it? Jayden Matthews 20:28, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
                    • Policy says a +3 majority is needed. I'll ask some of the admins. - Nick O'Demus 20:54, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
                      • I would rather have a movie image.----L.V.K.T.V.J.'^{(Send an owl!)} 20:56, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
                        • There is a clear vote now. You can put the photo up as the main picture.----L.V.K.T.V.J.'^{(Send an owl!)} 21:17, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
                        • I am pretty sure the third image has been used for another wizard on HP Wiki. There is another painting in the movie that looks very much like the illustration and I have seen on this post a while back, that should be used instead. I don't know why anyone would think the third image is Salazar...it's nothing like the description in the book. I think it's a mistake.

UPDATE: Voting has been reopened until a legitimate +3 clear majority is reached. - Nick O'Demus 10:31, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Head of Slytherin House

In the box at the end, it said that Horace Slughorn was the HoH for Slytherin after him (eventually). Is there a source that he was the HoH when he was teacher during the Riddle-Era? -- Ratneer ^{Owl Me!} 22:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

He tells Harry he was Head of Slytherin when they first meet. HBP ch.4, p.70 - Nick O'Demus 22:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. Just making sure. -- Ratneer ^{Owl Me!} 22:20, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Salazar slytherin is related to Harry Potter, as is Voldemort

Well since Marvolo Gaunt stated that they were decendants of the Peverells and Salazar is a known relaive of the Gaunts and Voldemort the Peverells are therefore descendants of Salazar Slytherin. As, Ignotus Peverell is a descendant of Salazar and is related to the potters as he is there ancestor. Harry Potter is distantly related to Salazar Slytherin as his ancestor meaning he and Voldemort are distant cousins. So, he is related to the Weasley's and everything.

The Peverells are ancestors of Salazar Slytherin. Voldemort is related to Cadmus Peverell. JKR has specifically said Harry isn't related to Slytherin. Slytherin is a distant cousin (at least) of Harry.--L.V.K.T.V.J.^{(Send an owl!)} 03:53, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Actually all that is given is that Gaunts claim ancestry from both the Slytherin and the Peverell line. This does not mean that Harry, as a descendent of the Peverells is related to the Slytherins, if, as I assume, that the lines (as is common among pureblood lines) intermarried at some point. Meaning that although Harry is related to the Gaunts, he shares no common ancestor with (and thus is not related to) with Salazar Slytherin

Say what? By saying that the Peverells are "ancestors" of Salazar Slytherin, you're saying that they came BEFORE Salazar Slytherin (that's what ancestor means, it means those that have come before), when they clearly did not. Salazar Slytherin, by this very entry and by most canon, lived in the 10th century, meaning the 900's. The Peverell Brothers lived in the mid-13th century, and are thus, descendents of Salazar Slytherin (if what Gaunt said about being related to both in thre line is true). As for "JKR has specifically said Harry isn't related to Slytherin. Slytherin is a distant cousin (at least) of Harry.", if Slytherin is a distant cousin of Harry, then um--that's called being related to him. ParryHotterHero 13:44, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Teaching

I just thought that in Hogwarts those 4 people must have taught subjects what do u think SLytherin would teach, he might teach D.A.D.A (take away the first D.A, like the death eaters possibly)Philered WAS HERE! PEACE!

10:04, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually he will teach his own specific students everything, pretty much.--L.V.K.T.V.J.^{(Send an owl!)} 22:42, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Portrait canonicity

According to this site, JKR has confirmed that none of the founders was headmaster. Does this make the Portrait non-canon?--Rodolphus 15:01, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

If it's in the Headmaster's office, then yes it should be non-canon. What about those new pics of Gryffindor and Hufflepuff? Were they from the Headmaster's office, or were they located in another place? They might still be canon if they were somewhere else in the school. 70.242.122.176 19:47, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Harry granger 20:26, April 5, 2010 (UTC) The picture of Salazar Slytherin in the DVD hangs really in Dumbledore's office. But when you look at the pictures of "The Wizarding World of Harry Potter" it seems these pictures hang in the stair entrance. And when you look between the pictures of Godric Gryffindor and Helga Hufflepuff there is a picture that looks very similar to that of Salazar Slytherin from the DVD. So it might be really Salazar, because it hangs like the others in the stair entrance.

Harry granger 17:34, April 15, 2010 (UTC) Hi, I found two sources for costumes of the founders from the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, and also two clear portraits of Helga Hufflepuff and Salazar Slytherin. Perhaps they are better than the now used?!? source:

http://thewizardingworldofharrypotter.tumblr.com/post/498184536/godric-gryffindor-and-rowena-ravenclaws-costumes

and http://thewizardingworldofharrypotter.tumblr.com/post/498185633/helga-hufflepuff-and-salazar-slytherins-costumes

Harry granger 20:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC) Hi, it's me again. I found yet another picture of Salazar Slytherin. Perhaps it's interesting for you. source: http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8581/mysteryguy.png&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandounited.com/forums/showthread.php%3F9-The-Wizarding-World-Of-Harry-Potter/page234&usg=__2ngMrIxp-G4qEpdCNhoGC4bR2zA=&h=358&w=243&sz=143&hl=de&start=827&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=xQCSFpKyp1Bj9M:&tbnh=121&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drowena%2Bravenclaw%2Bportrait%26start%3D820%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

Chocolate frog card

When I looked on the image CandyandBeverages.jpg (source here: Honeydukes_(The_Wizarding_World_of_Harry_Potter)) I saw a chocolate frog card of Salazar Slytherin from the actor from The Wizarding World of Harry Potter in this picture. Perhaps it would fit well in the site of Salazar Slytherin. What do you think? Harry granger 17:50, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Salazar Slytherin was Irish/Came from Ireland?

House Colour: Green/Emerald. Colour associated with Ireland: Green/Emerald. Slytherin’s mascot: Snakes. Irish myth: St Patrick driving the snakes out of Ireland. According to the Sorting hat: Bold Gryffindor, from wild moor, Fair Ravenclaw, from glen, Sweet Hufflepuff, from valley broad, Shrewd Slytherin, from fen''

Godric was from Godric’s Hollow in England, Rowena is from glen which suggests Scotland, Helga is from valley broad which suggests the Welsh Valleys. Which leaves Salazar and one of the four Kingdoms of the British Isles: Ireland. Also fens are water-logged places with loads of peat which is pretty much all of Ireland.

St Patrick could have been a muggle guy who attacked the witches/wizards of Ireland and tried to drive them away, for the church. Which would explain why Salazar was not fond of muggles/muggle-borns.

Although his name is Portuguese, Ireland and the Iberian penninsula have always had a close relationship and his family could have came from there. Or via the Normans through Sicily/England.

Also it’d explain the Basilisk as part of a last line of Hogwarts defence against angry bible-bashing muggles intent on destroying it, but got used by evil Tom Riddle to kill muggle-borns as well.

Etymology

Erm, for the Etymology section, I think the word sly could also refer to cunningness, a trait of most Slytherins, as sly is a synonym of cunning. Also, could someone put a period at the end of the last sentence of the Etymology section as well? Thanks. Windrider116 04:15, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance

Is is just me or is his picture REALLY CREEPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Piper13 01:48, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Article mess-up

This page is already totally messed up. What has happened?  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 17:47, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Child(ren)

As the Gaunts and Tom Riddle are descendents of Salazar, it is surely certain he had at least one child. Could this be added under family information? Lysander Scamander 21:29, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Slytherin didn't trust Muggle-born students due to him being reminded of the persecution against wizards by Muggles

I'm sorry but when has that ever been mentioned as the reason why Slytherin mistrusted muggle-borns? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anonymius (talk • contribs).

Salazar being a pureblood

I'm sorry but what evidence is there of this?  just because he didn't like muggle borns doesn't necessarily mean he's pureblood!  Look at Voldemort and Snape! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anonymius (talk • contribs).

The Gaunts, direct descendants of Slytherin, were pure-bloods, so Slytherin himself also was.--Rodolphus (talk) 17:30, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Just because the gaunts were purebloods doesn't mean Slytherin was.  A pureblood is any wizard who's parentage is at least two generations back wizard, and just because Marvolo stated that his family has been for centuries 'wizards all' doesn't necessarily mean that Slytherin may not have had some muggle blood. (Anonymius (talk) 18:18, March 3, 2013 (UTC))