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==Info needed==
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==Remus and Lily==
Needs more info, a better summary on the character, etc, more details.
 
   
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About Lily's relationship with Remus: The line '''"your mother was there for me at a time where no one else was" '''was from the movie and not the book. It's defintely not canon as Remus would never had said that. He would have been insulting his best friends (The Marauders) if he did. The Marauders were the ones who were there for him, accepted him for being a werewolf and became animagi for him. Plus, James financially supported him when he was unable to find a job. Lily was never mentioned to have done anything for Remus for him to say that line. Remus doesn't even speak about Lily much in the books except when he's referring to both her and James. There is no indication in the books to Remus and Lily being close at all. James is the one Remus usually talks about. [[User:Twilight2013|Twilight2013]] ([[User talk:Twilight2013|talk]]) 17:43, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
What's up with this article? I thought all articles about characters were supposed to be written from an in-universe perspective? This one is full of mentions of "the books" and contains quotes from J K Rowling about his character. This article badly needs tidying up.
 
   
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:The best character in the Harry Potter series. {{unsigned|PigLoverGoComics}}
For those who don't get the Romulus reference in the radio show by Jordan, Romulus and Lupin were Romans who were raised by wolves. Clever J.K. ;)
 
   
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. that's where you're wrong, my friend. It was ''not'' Romulus and Lupin, it was Romulus and REMUS. Thank you, --[[User:Mudbloodandproud|Mudbloodandproud]] 21:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 
   
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I mean - Remus probably had a fall-out with the other Marauders at some point, like Harry and Ron had, you know, like all friends sometimes have, and Lupin, so relieved and happy about being accepted, began to worry about the prospect of never having friends again. At least, not making friends he could confide his condition to, and Lily could've been there to help him through it until he and the others made up, giving Lupin a newfound respect and appreciation of Lily. [[User:Tfoc|Tfoc]] ([[User talk:Tfoc|talk]]) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
Well, technically, Romulus and Remus were the twins who were raised by wolves and FOUNDED Rome (so the title Roman could be debated) hence the name (Romulus killed Remus so the city was supposedly named after him.) Lupin comes from the the latin word LUPUS which means wolf.[[Special:Contributions/66.29.187.7|66.29.187.7]] 03:21, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
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==Werewolf since childhood dispute.==
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[https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tazenda Tazenda] is right. Lupin was bitten at the age of five and lived with the condition of lycantrophy, aka, being a werewolf, to the day he died. [[User:Tfoc|Tfoc]] ([[User talk:Tfoc|talk]]) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
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:The sentence 'afflicted with Lycanthropy during his childhood' simply meant that his childhood was when the affliction started. Anyway, I have now rewritten that sentence to hopefully make it more clear. [[User:MrSiriusBlack|Sirius]] ([[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|talk]]) 10:46, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
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::"afflicted" means "suffering from" - checked on a dictionary. Took me the whole of 3 seconds. <span style="font-family:Calibri;color:#336600;">[[User talk:Tazenda]]</span> 10:58, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
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::I am fully aware what it means, thank you. The situation has been resolved, let's move on. [[User:MrSiriusBlack|Sirius]] ([[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|talk]]) 11:02, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
   
==Blood Status==
 
How do we know he is half-blood? [[User:Mafalda Hopkirk|Mafalda Hopkirk]] 17:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 
   
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==Infobox images==
Rowling said it in an interview, but I can´t find it so fast.--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] 17:22, 17 February 2008
 
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This is not a topic of discussion, but why have his two infobox images vanished? I don't know how to fix them. [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 14:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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==Species: Werewolf==
We partly know that he is half-blood because most wizard are, and he is never mention that he is related to any pure-bloods person.-Lupin & Kingsley --[[Special:Contributions/69.66.160.78|69.66.160.78]] 02:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 
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J. K. Rowling has stated that being a werewolf is considered a type of illness, rather than being a separate species. [[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 19:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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Yes, being a werewolf is an illness, but werewolves are also an exact species of magical beast.[[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 20:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:Rowling revealed Remus was a half-blood during the [http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm World Book Day chat] in 2004. <font color="Green">★</font> [[User:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="green">S</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">a</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r</font><font face="Times" color="green">s</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">u</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f</font><font face="Times" color="green">f</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!)</font>]]</sup> 08:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 
What JKR says is law in the Harry Potter world.
 
   
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[[Canon|"J. K. Rowling's word is law."]] --[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
um, remuses mother is a muggle, though they never clearly say it, there are hints in the books and movies :)
 
   
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:Again yes, J. K Rowling's word is law - that is why Werewolves are depicted as magical creatures in all the books ({{FB|R}} for instance...), films, video games, etc, {{PM}}/{{WW}}, as well as an illness in itself. This wiki reflects that, and, it most certainly isn't going to change any time soon. In HP, Humans, upon being bitten by a werewolf, are cursed with a dark magical illness, which as a result, causes them to become a specific type of creature every full moon, that is not human, but a monster. Cheers [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 21:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Where are the hints in the books/movies that his mother is a muggle? Ok I agree his father had to be a wizard to have an encounter with Fenrir Greyback but it's never specified that his father was a pureblood, he could have been a half-blood. I've never come across any mention or hint of Remus' mother in the books movies except for when he mentions one of the excuses for his absenses was visiting his sick mother. It's entirely possible that she could have been a muggle-born rather than a muggle, which would still leave Remus' status as a half-blood, regardless of his father's status. [[Special:Contributions/27.32.79.121|27.32.79.121]] 08:07, September 6, 2011 (UTC)Wolfgirl
 
   
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They're still humans but with a lycanthrope illness. Those sources you mentioned are tier two. Rowling is Tier One. [[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 21:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
==Patronus==
 
I notice in the infobox, his Patronus is listed as being a lion. I don't remember that in the books, so does that come directly from JKR? --Cubs Fan2007 07:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 
:I don't think JKR has ever mentioned Lupin's Patronus in an interview. It must have been only speculation, so I removed it. -[[User:Starstuff|Starstuff]] 07:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)´
 
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:I agree his patronus shape is never mentioned in the books. But it obviously does have some level of corporeal shape as Hermione mentions that 'A silvery thing shot out of his wand' when explaining what happened to Harry after he collapsed in the Prisoner of Azkaban book. [[Special:Contributions/27.32.79.121|27.32.79.121]] 08:12, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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::No, I think you will find that books, such as {{FB|R}} and others, along with {{PM}}, are not tier-two sources. This discussion seems to have little point, as I kind of feel like it is debating stuff long established. I'd recommend taking this discussion elsewhere, as Lupin's article is not going to have his species changed. [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 21:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
==Wand==
 
Whee is it mentioned that Prof. Lupin´s wand is made out of willow and that it is 11 inches long?--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] 09:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:I have no idea. I'll remove the information until it can be verified. <font color="Green">★</font> [[User:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="green">S</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">a</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r</font><font face="Times" color="green">s</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">u</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f</font><font face="Times" color="green">f</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!)</font>]]</sup> 10:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 
   
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Lol. I didn't even ask for anyone's opinion, I only stated what Rowling said, so you're the one making this discussion pointlessy long. --[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 21:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:If Remus Lupin was born on the 10th March, doesn't that, according to [http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter/articles/wand-basics-101.html this], mean his wand is made out of Ash?- Lilyana 20:22, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
:- Remus' wand doesn't necessarily have to be Ash just because he was born on the 10th of March. After all, according to the calender, Lily and James' wands would have to be Rowan and Alder respectively but they have wands of Willow and Mahogany instead. Plus there are other woods mentioned in the books, eg when Harry goes to buy his wand in PS and when Hermione identifies the wand Ron got from someone in DH, such as Maple, Ebony, Blackthorn, Beech etc which aren't on this list. I believe JKR said she decided on Holly for Harry, then came across the calender and amused by the coincidence decided to use the mentioned woods for Ron and Hermione only. [[Special:Contributions/27.32.79.121|27.32.79.121]] 08:25, September 13, 2011 (UTC)Wolfgirl[[Special:Contributions/27.32.79.121|27.32.79.121]] 08:25, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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Well, stating that books and a certain website written by Rowling herself are somehow tier two and inaccurate is fundamentally wrong, I'm afraid to say.[[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 21:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
==Species?==
 
Shouldn't it just be "Werewolf" since a werewolf is a human who turns into a wolf at the full moon.
 
:Well, he wasn't born as a [[werewolf]], he was bitten, and most of the time except for full moon, he is a normal man -- [[User:Hellabore|Hellabore]]
 
   
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I didn't say that content written by Rowling herself is tier two nor wrong. I said the exact opposite. The Canon article lists the video games and Pottermore as Tier Two. --[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 23:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
::According to FBaWtFT '''Werewolf''' is the term used to name anyone wether in human or wolf forms. So his species should be just Werewolf-- <small><span style="border:2px solid #333333;">[[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="color:#333333;">&nbsp;'''Seth Cooper'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#333333;color:white;">&nbsp;'''owl&nbsp;post!'''</font>]]</span></small> 04:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 
   
 
:Incorrect. The Canon article lists the video games as tier three and Pottermore as tier one. - <span style="border:2px solid #ff0000;">[[User:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#FFff00;color:#ff0000;">&nbsp;'''MrSiriusBlack'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#ff0000;color:#ffff00;">&nbsp;'''Talk'''&nbsp;</font>]]</span> 00:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
He and Alastor Moody are the only teacher(s) from Defence Against The Dark Arts who are good. Both are from The Order Of The Phoenix and since we saw in the order of the phoenix movie, I sugges that they have met. They appear at the same time in the department of mysteries. I like that connection.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 18:04, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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::Pottermore is tier two? Is it (https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Canon)? The vast majority of content from Pottermore is tier one, since JKR wrote most of it. The only tier-two material on Pottermore is anything that wasn't written by Rowling herself, but the website itself is still considered tier one. [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 00:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Alastor Moody was never the Defence Against The Dark Arts teacher, it was [[Bartemius Crouch Jr.|Barty Crouch Jr]] pretending to be him using the [[Polyjuice Potion]]. {{Unsigned|Arisheps}}
 
   
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::: Anything written by J.K. Rowling herself will and has always been tier one canon. Anything on the website that hasn't been written by her has been put in tier two. Since sources including {{FB}} and {{WW|werewolves}} have very clearly been written solely by her, they belong in tier one. Werewolves have been portrayed and viewed in the wizarding world like a separate species, and I haven't even found a source of Rowling saying anything to the contrary. - [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 12:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
No, in the Order of the Phoenix, you see the 2 above together in a scene.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 20:43, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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Specifically, {{FB}} states "Seventy-five species are described in the following pages..." and [[Werewolf]] is listed as one of those entries so it is a separate species. However, in that entry it says "Humans turn into werewolves only when bitten" and "Once a month, at the full moon, the otherwise sane and normal wizard or Muggle afflicted transforms into a murderous beast." This points to the werewolf ''beast'' as a separate species, but every other day the normal person is a human with an affliction (as also emphasized in {{WW|illness-and-disability}} - "Remus Lupin’s affliction was a conscious reference to blood-borne diseases such as the HIV infection, with the attendant stigma. The potion Snape brews him is akin to the antiretroviral that will keep him from developing the ‘full-blown’ version of his illness. The sense of ‘apartness’ that the management of a chronic condition can impose on its sufferers was an important part of Lupin’s character.")
I never said that they haven't met, i was just saying that you were wrong when you said Mad-Eye was a Defence Against The Dark Arts teacher. {{Unsigned|Arisheps}}
 
   
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Later information such as {{WW|werewolves}} muddies this quite a bit however in how the term "werewolf" is used to describe to the individual regardless of form, but provides a couple interesting points.
That's right, but he was suppose to.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 21:07, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
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*The wizarding world is not entirely sure how to classify the werewolf - "Werewolves have been shunted between the Beast and Being divisions of the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures for years, because nobody could make up their minds whether a werewolf should be classified as human or bestial".
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* The werewolf has both a human (species?) form and wolf-ish (species?) form - "While in his or her wolfish form, the werewolf loses entirely its human sense of right or wrong." ... "While human, the werewolf may be as good or kind as the next person." ... "If attacked by a werewolf that is still in human form, ..." Unfortunately, the language used is highly inconsistent using both the idea of a werewolf's human form and a werewolf that is sometimes a human.
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*The offspring of two werewolves in wolfish form are in fact (highly-intelligent) wolves - "if two werewolves meet and mate at the full moon (a highly unlikely contingency which is known to have occurred only twice) the result of the mating will be wolf cubs which resemble true wolves in everything except their abnormally high intelligence." If conceived while in human form, the offspring of a werewolf is in fact a human (e.g. [[Edward Lupin]] :). "However, where werewolves have married human partners, there has been no sign of their lycanthropy being passed to their offspring."
   
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Species being defined as "as the largest group of organisms in which any two individuals of the appropriate sexes or mating types can produce fertile offspring" the fact that both human offspring and wolf offspring are possible points to the individual being two different species depending on the lunar phase.
I know a second DADA teacher who was good. Severus Snape. He seemed to be bad but after his death the whole world became to know that he was Dumbledore's man and not Voldemort's man. [[User:Harry granger|Harry granger]]
 
   
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This would suggest that Lupin's species could be listed as Human & Werewolf, or perhaps Human / Werewolf, as he is of both species just at differing times, not as "formerly human" which is currently listed. Thoughts? --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 05:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't see why he isn't human if he's a werewolf. He's only a werewolf once a month anyway. {{Unsigned|90.195.76.34}}
 
   
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: I think it would suggest Lupin's species could be both human and werewolf too. Rowling's wording can be confusing however. In {{FB}}, she puts that the classification of beast was "to the werewolf in its transformed state. When there is no full moon, the werewolf is as harmless as any other human". So in their human form, they are just like any "other" human being, but she still used the word "werewolf" to describe that person too. The wizarding world appears conficted by it, because they don't know how to absolutely define it and shunt the definition into both beast and being. I think we need to adjust the wording on Lupin's page (and other characters like Fenrir) to show that. I don't think it's clear enough to say one over the other. - [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 11:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
:It is just how they are seen in terms of the wider wizarding world. Wizards see werewolves as separate entirely. Once a human contracts lycanthropy, they are no longer human. This is view of the wizarding world on werewolves. --[[User:Hcoknhoj|<font face="Times" size="4" color="Black" >JKoch</font>]][[File:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|20px]]<sup>([[User talk:Hcoknhoj|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="1" color="Red">Owl Me!</font>]])</sup> 15:56, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
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We could list werewolves as "Human (Werewolf)", like how Seers are listed as "Human (Seer)". - <span style="border:2px solid #ff0000;">[[User:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#FFff00;color:#ff0000;">&nbsp;'''MrSiriusBlack'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#ff0000;color:#ffff00;">&nbsp;'''Talk'''&nbsp;</font>]]</span> 21:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
:the whole point of remus' character was to show how uneccesary discrimination was, though he i smost of the time human, he is still considered dangerous.
 
   
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== Fanon/Shipping ==
==Sirius Black==
 
When did Lupin know that Sirius was innocent?--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 07:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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Hello, this post is not a discussion regarding article content, but recently there has been a ridiculous amount of fanon/shipping which has been uploaded to this article, specifically that Remus was in a romantic relationship with Sirius Black (which of course, he was not). This is extremely worrying, as it appears that there is a movement which seeks to vandalise this very good and accurate article with this untruthful nonsense (possible sock-puppetry as well). Perhaps this article should have a much higher level of protection placed on it, for safekeeping? [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 21:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
after he saw Wormtail on the map, he knew something was wrong, after Wormtail confessed, he knew Sirus was framed. {{Unsigned|Arisheps}}
 
   
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A suggestion. Perhaps this constant vandalism should be met with a permanent block? Usually reserved for the worst types of vandalism and trolling. It might deter this person, as it seems it's the work of one person. Or perhaps a warning for newcomers not to vandalise these two pages [[User:Valeyard12.5|Valeyard12.5]] ([[User talk:Valeyard12.5|talk]]) 14:06, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
== Something In The Movies I Heard ==
 
   
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I've changed the protection to autoconfirmed for one month.[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 14:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
In the movie Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban what did Lupin mean when he said that Lily helped him in a time whick no one else could cause it's never mentioned again, well atleast out of my view.--[[User:Intrudgero98|Intrudgero98]] 18:33, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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::In response to Valeyard12.5's comment, I would be heavily in favour of harshly punishing those who vandalise articles with fanon, as we need to uphold the rules and laws of this wiki. Blocking users for this behaviour will also warn other users that if they engage in such behaviour, there will be consequences. I know that sounds somewhat mean-spirited, but fanon is really annoying and needs to be swiftly dealt with; it can't be ignored or tolerated. [[User:RedWizard98|RedWizard98]] ([[User talk:RedWizard98|talk]]) 14:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
   
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I've protected the Sirius Black article as well. About adding the Romance, this would usually fall under the canon policy violations, which would usually require a warining first and then a block if an offence is commited after a warning. What do the other Admins think? I don't want to decide how to handle the situation on my own.[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
   
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:Any edit that goes against policy should lead to a warning for the user explaining the situation before any blocking action is taken (see [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Introducing_the_Wiki_Rules_and_Blocking_Policy FANDOM's upcoming formal policy] on this matter if that needs any clarification). Thankfully, we already have long-established policies and procedures for handling these issues.
Lily helped cover up for him and when he did something bad she was always the one to cheer him up.
 
   
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:Given the perpetual popularity of the "Wolfstar" ship, it's not surprising when it pop-ups here from time to time - it's not particularly severe vandalism nor warranting a permanent block by any means. Users adding fanon are not going to check the history of the page, see if someone else tried to add it before, then check what the consequences were, then make their choice. As such, any thought of deterrence through harsh punishment is misplaced (as well as against FANDOM's new policy requirements). Warning users with a link to the policy, imposing initially small but increasingly long blocks for persistent vandals, and temporarily protecting the page as needed is the normal and appropriate response (just like for any other user/page prone to vandalism). Cheers --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 19:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
== Why is he in catergory bullies? ==
 
   
 
== Remus height is incorrect ==
Why is he categorised as a bully? He bullied no-one but did join a gang.
 
   
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Remus Lupin's height is never mentioned in the books. Sirius is the only Marauder described as tall when standing next to the rest of them (James, Remus, Peter). It's incorrect to use the actor's height of 6'2" for Remus since we know canonically that he's not taller than Sirius, and Sirius is (also incorrectly) listed as 5'9" in the wiki. {{Unsigned|Switchp2323}}
The marauders bullied people.
 
   
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This entire paragraph is canonically incorrect:
[[User:Abrawak|Abrawak]] 20:39, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
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:He was also quite tall, standing six feet, two inches tall. His height was not often mentioned, but is notable as his height corresponded roughly to the full length of a wolf's body from nose to tail. His 162 pound weight also corresponded to his wolfish dimensions." We know nothing about Remus Lupin's height, and nothing in the books ever says that height and weight of a person correspond to their werewolf form. We don't even know what Remus's werewolf dimensions were. I suggest this be edited to reflect that Remus Lupin's height/weight (werewolf and human) are "unknown". So many people in the fandom are using these numbers as canon in fics/discussion and they are not canon. {{Unsigned|Msmimikins}}
 
 
 
he was appart of a group that bullied people and since he never stood up for the people he was considered a bully along with Peter, James and sirius.
 
 
 
 
He still disapproved of the bullying though, and it is mentioned that he tried to stop them bullying Snape once, but failed and never tried again (lost his nerve, presumably, because as JK says, he is so used to being hated, when someone does become his friend, he cuts them a lot of slack). [[Special:Contributions/86.26.76.230|86.26.76.230]] 15:12, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Inconsistency in post-transformation recovery ==
 
* Does anyone else feel that two mentioned post-transformation periods mentioned in Prisoner of Azkaban were very inconsistent? The post-Halloween one - Snape has to fill in for Lupin because he's not feeling feel and Remus is still not well the entire weekend despite having the full dose of Wolfsbane and therefore keeping his mind and not attacking himself. Yet on the morning after the full moon when the Shrieking Shack incident took place, he's well enough to make his way back to the castle, pick up Harry's Invisibility cloak on the way, hand in his resignation and finish packing his office by about noon. All this despite not having the full dose of Wolfsbane which makes it more likely that he attacked himself, especially if driven away from humans and running around in the forest - which would be more exhausting than curling up in an office. Hate to say this but I think Lupin not being well and Snape having to fill in for him was just a plot device to get Hermione to figure out his condition. Another inconsistency is in the actual transformation periods - Lupin has a transformation shortly after Halloween (hence Snape filling in) which would mean it was full moon sometime around the first week or so of November. If that's the case, there is no way there could be a full moon on or around Christmas - yet that is the reason given for Lupin's absence from Christmas dinner. <small>08:22, May 29, 2010 [[User:139.168.193.196]]</small>
 
 
 
 
 
 
ok, so when remus transforms it still knocks him around and like he says, it is very painful to transform into a werewolf. even though he takes wolfbane, the transformation is still painful. so if he is in a bad physical condition he would prefer the students not to see him so he takes a few days off to get healthier looking. but after the whompingwillow night, he has to go straight back to his office so he can resign before people start asking questions. its not always about the energy, its about his physical state. and the movies tend to skip loads of information and periods of time.
 
 
==Spectualation==
 
The spectulation about Lily Luna Potter being named after him should be removed! I mean, I doubt they knew that Luna was moon in latin, and I know that it is his nickname, but when did they every reffer to him as "Moony". They call him "Proffesor Lupin" or "Lupin" most of the time. [[User:Mochlum|I suppose the nargles are behind it.]] 00:34, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
but then again, why would you call your child Lily MOONY Potter? and i think nearly everyone knows that luna means moon in latin. :p
 
 
==Moony==
 
<small>It's very funny. A few days ago i saw Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. And on the Marauder's Map Remus was known as ''Mooney'', but we know him as ''Moony''. --Danniesen June 13 2010 12:11</small>
 
:Yes, but that iis an inside joke to the producers, because a producer's last name was Mooney. Thanks.--[[User:Lord Voldemort killed the vampire James|<span style="color:black">''L.V.K.T.V.J.''</span>]][[File:Hogwarts.jpg|20px]]<sup>([[User talk:Lord Voldemort killed the vampire James|<span style="color:red">'''''Send an owl!'''''</span>]])</sup> 19:49, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
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== 13 people ==
 
 
The part about Trelawney making a prediction correct because Lupin died, first of all, Fred was the first person we actually see die, Lupin is mentioned much later in the battle during the lull, so there's no way to know who died first, and even if Lupin was the first to die, I don't think it was so much a prediction as a superstitious saying. --[[User:BachLynn23|<font face="Ariel" size="4" color="Purple" >BachLynn</font>]][[File:Gryffindorcrest.jpg|33px]]<sup>([[User talk:BachLynn23|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="2" color="Purple">Accio!</font>]])</sup> 20:32, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
I was reading Remus' article and I saw the bit about the Trelawney's 13 people prediction. I have a question and well, a comment. I'm glad there is already a subject on it. Why is this relate to Remus? There were 14 people at the Burrow not 13. This may have applied to Sirius and Dumbledore when there was exactly 13. Remus being one out of 14 to die was just that, he died as a casualty of war, not also fulfilling the prediction. The prediction was 13 and just that. No more no less. What does everybody think? [[User:Seasrmar|Seasrmar]] ([[User talk:Seasrmar|talk]]) 05:05, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Remus' eye colour ==
 
 
Is his eye colour ever explicitly mentioned in the books? The only descriptions I've ever seen about his physical appearance in the books are about him being thin with grey streaked brown hair and a lined face. Never eye colour yet someone keeps putting it as brown in his physical descriptions. If it's never mentioned in the books, then movie cannon would come next and actor David Thewlis has blue eyes, not brown. {{Unsigned|138.217.216.79}}
 
 
== Name fault ==
 
 
I noticed an issue regarding Remus and his family's name.
 
 
First off, many of you might have heard of Romulus and Remus, the mythical founders of Rome. They were said to have been raised by wolves. This is where Remus Lupin's forename comes from.
 
 
Secondly, Lupin is derived from the word 'Lupi', which is Italian for Wolves. Lupine is also considered as a type of Wolfsbane. 'Sanies Lupin' is the name of the disease that transforms a human into a werewolf. This explains his surname.
 
 
The wiki says he was '''formerly''' human, meaning he was given this name before the affliction. I find it quite ironic how he, and his parents have werewolf names, don't you?
 
 
[[User:Sanies Lupinus|Sanies Lupinus]] 22:42, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
It's called foreshadowing. Sirius is 'the dog star' . Sirius turns into a dog. Rowling does this a lot.
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/98.243.174.10|98.243.174.10]] 00:46, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That is one of the things I don't like about the series [[User:Abranon|Abranon]] 21:31, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
From what we actually see in the flashbacks, the attention actually came more from the other side.
 
 
== Brother ==
 
 
I just realized, Lupin [http://web.archive.org/web/20110623030708/http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=9 can't] have a brother... Just figured I'd let everyone know. --<span style="font-size:9pt;line-height:0.56cm;">[[User:Hunnie Bunn|<font face="Times" size="3" color="Red">Hunnie Bunn</font>]] ([[User talk:Hunnie Bunn|<font face="Times" size="3" color="Red">talk</font>]])</span> 22:40, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Remus and Lily

About Lily's relationship with Remus: The line "your mother was there for me at a time where no one else was" was from the movie and not the book. It's defintely not canon as Remus would never had said that. He would have been insulting his best friends (The Marauders) if he did. The Marauders were the ones who were there for him, accepted him for being a werewolf and became animagi for him. Plus, James financially supported him when he was unable to find a job. Lily was never mentioned to have done anything for Remus for him to say that line. Remus doesn't even speak about Lily much in the books except when he's referring to both her and James. There is no indication in the books to Remus and Lily being close at all. James is the one Remus usually talks about. Twilight2013 (talk) 17:43, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

The best character in the Harry Potter series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PigLoverGoComics (talkcontribs).


I mean - Remus probably had a fall-out with the other Marauders at some point, like Harry and Ron had, you know, like all friends sometimes have, and Lupin, so relieved and happy about being accepted, began to worry about the prospect of never having friends again. At least, not making friends he could confide his condition to, and Lily could've been there to help him through it until he and the others made up, giving Lupin a newfound respect and appreciation of Lily. Tfoc (talk) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

Werewolf since childhood dispute.

Tazenda is right. Lupin was bitten at the age of five and lived with the condition of lycantrophy, aka, being a werewolf, to the day he died. Tfoc (talk) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

The sentence 'afflicted with Lycanthropy during his childhood' simply meant that his childhood was when the affliction started. Anyway, I have now rewritten that sentence to hopefully make it more clear. Sirius (talk) 10:46, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
"afflicted" means "suffering from" - checked on a dictionary. Took me the whole of 3 seconds. User talk:Tazenda 10:58, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
I am fully aware what it means, thank you. The situation has been resolved, let's move on. Sirius (talk) 11:02, June 15, 2020 (UTC)


Infobox images

This is not a topic of discussion, but why have his two infobox images vanished? I don't know how to fix them. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Species: Werewolf

J. K. Rowling has stated that being a werewolf is considered a type of illness, rather than being a separate species. RogueOwner (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, being a werewolf is an illness, but werewolves are also an exact species of magical beast.RedWizard98 (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"J. K. Rowling's word is law." --RogueOwner (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Again yes, J. K Rowling's word is law - that is why Werewolves are depicted as magical creatures in all the books (Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them for instance...), films, video games, etc, Pottermore/Wizarding World, as well as an illness in itself. This wiki reflects that, and, it most certainly isn't going to change any time soon. In HP, Humans, upon being bitten by a werewolf, are cursed with a dark magical illness, which as a result, causes them to become a specific type of creature every full moon, that is not human, but a monster. Cheers RedWizard98 (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

They're still humans but with a lycanthrope illness. Those sources you mentioned are tier two. Rowling is Tier One. RogueOwner (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I think you will find that books, such as Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and others, along with Pottermore, are not tier-two sources. This discussion seems to have little point, as I kind of feel like it is debating stuff long established. I'd recommend taking this discussion elsewhere, as Lupin's article is not going to have his species changed. RedWizard98 (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lol. I didn't even ask for anyone's opinion, I only stated what Rowling said, so you're the one making this discussion pointlessy long. --RogueOwner (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, stating that books and a certain website written by Rowling herself are somehow tier two and inaccurate is fundamentally wrong, I'm afraid to say.RedWizard98 (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I didn't say that content written by Rowling herself is tier two nor wrong. I said the exact opposite. The Canon article lists the video games and Pottermore as Tier Two. --RogueOwner (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect. The Canon article lists the video games as tier three and Pottermore as tier one. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  00:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Pottermore is tier two? Is it (https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Canon)? The vast majority of content from Pottermore is tier one, since JKR wrote most of it. The only tier-two material on Pottermore is anything that wasn't written by Rowling herself, but the website itself is still considered tier one. RedWizard98 (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Anything written by J.K. Rowling herself will and has always been tier one canon. Anything on the website that hasn't been written by her has been put in tier two. Since sources including Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Werewolves" at Wizarding World have very clearly been written solely by her, they belong in tier one. Werewolves have been portrayed and viewed in the wizarding world like a separate species, and I haven't even found a source of Rowling saying anything to the contrary. - Kates39 (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them states "Seventy-five species are described in the following pages..." and Werewolf is listed as one of those entries so it is a separate species. However, in that entry it says "Humans turn into werewolves only when bitten" and "Once a month, at the full moon, the otherwise sane and normal wizard or Muggle afflicted transforms into a murderous beast." This points to the werewolf beast as a separate species, but every other day the normal person is a human with an affliction (as also emphasized in Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Illness and Disability" at Wizarding World - "Remus Lupin’s affliction was a conscious reference to blood-borne diseases such as the HIV infection, with the attendant stigma. The potion Snape brews him is akin to the antiretroviral that will keep him from developing the ‘full-blown’ version of his illness. The sense of ‘apartness’ that the management of a chronic condition can impose on its sufferers was an important part of Lupin’s character.")

Later information such as Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Werewolves" at Wizarding World muddies this quite a bit however in how the term "werewolf" is used to describe to the individual regardless of form, but provides a couple interesting points.

  • The wizarding world is not entirely sure how to classify the werewolf - "Werewolves have been shunted between the Beast and Being divisions of the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures for years, because nobody could make up their minds whether a werewolf should be classified as human or bestial".
  • The werewolf has both a human (species?) form and wolf-ish (species?) form - "While in his or her wolfish form, the werewolf loses entirely its human sense of right or wrong." ... "While human, the werewolf may be as good or kind as the next person." ... "If attacked by a werewolf that is still in human form, ..." Unfortunately, the language used is highly inconsistent using both the idea of a werewolf's human form and a werewolf that is sometimes a human.
  • The offspring of two werewolves in wolfish form are in fact (highly-intelligent) wolves - "if two werewolves meet and mate at the full moon (a highly unlikely contingency which is known to have occurred only twice) the result of the mating will be wolf cubs which resemble true wolves in everything except their abnormally high intelligence." If conceived while in human form, the offspring of a werewolf is in fact a human (e.g. Edward Lupin :). "However, where werewolves have married human partners, there has been no sign of their lycanthropy being passed to their offspring."

Species being defined as "as the largest group of organisms in which any two individuals of the appropriate sexes or mating types can produce fertile offspring" the fact that both human offspring and wolf offspring are possible points to the individual being two different species depending on the lunar phase.

This would suggest that Lupin's species could be listed as Human & Werewolf, or perhaps Human / Werewolf, as he is of both species just at differing times, not as "formerly human" which is currently listed. Thoughts? --Ironyak1 (talk) 05:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I think it would suggest Lupin's species could be both human and werewolf too. Rowling's wording can be confusing however. In Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, she puts that the classification of beast was "to the werewolf in its transformed state. When there is no full moon, the werewolf is as harmless as any other human". So in their human form, they are just like any "other" human being, but she still used the word "werewolf" to describe that person too. The wizarding world appears conficted by it, because they don't know how to absolutely define it and shunt the definition into both beast and being. I think we need to adjust the wording on Lupin's page (and other characters like Fenrir) to show that. I don't think it's clear enough to say one over the other. - Kates39 (talk) 11:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

We could list werewolves as "Human (Werewolf)", like how Seers are listed as "Human (Seer)". -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  21:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Fanon/Shipping

Hello, this post is not a discussion regarding article content, but recently there has been a ridiculous amount of fanon/shipping which has been uploaded to this article, specifically that Remus was in a romantic relationship with Sirius Black (which of course, he was not). This is extremely worrying, as it appears that there is a movement which seeks to vandalise this very good and accurate article with this untruthful nonsense (possible sock-puppetry as well). Perhaps this article should have a much higher level of protection placed on it, for safekeeping? RedWizard98 (talk) 21:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

A suggestion. Perhaps this constant vandalism should be met with a permanent block? Usually reserved for the worst types of vandalism and trolling. It might deter this person, as it seems it's the work of one person. Or perhaps a warning for newcomers not to vandalise these two pages Valeyard12.5 (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I've changed the protection to autoconfirmed for one month.Rodolphus (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

In response to Valeyard12.5's comment, I would be heavily in favour of harshly punishing those who vandalise articles with fanon, as we need to uphold the rules and laws of this wiki. Blocking users for this behaviour will also warn other users that if they engage in such behaviour, there will be consequences. I know that sounds somewhat mean-spirited, but fanon is really annoying and needs to be swiftly dealt with; it can't be ignored or tolerated. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I've protected the Sirius Black article as well. About adding the Romance, this would usually fall under the canon policy violations, which would usually require a warining first and then a block if an offence is commited after a warning. What do the other Admins think? I don't want to decide how to handle the situation on my own.Rodolphus (talk) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Any edit that goes against policy should lead to a warning for the user explaining the situation before any blocking action is taken (see FANDOM's upcoming formal policy on this matter if that needs any clarification). Thankfully, we already have long-established policies and procedures for handling these issues.
Given the perpetual popularity of the "Wolfstar" ship, it's not surprising when it pop-ups here from time to time - it's not particularly severe vandalism nor warranting a permanent block by any means. Users adding fanon are not going to check the history of the page, see if someone else tried to add it before, then check what the consequences were, then make their choice. As such, any thought of deterrence through harsh punishment is misplaced (as well as against FANDOM's new policy requirements). Warning users with a link to the policy, imposing initially small but increasingly long blocks for persistent vandals, and temporarily protecting the page as needed is the normal and appropriate response (just like for any other user/page prone to vandalism). Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Remus height is incorrect

Remus Lupin's height is never mentioned in the books. Sirius is the only Marauder described as tall when standing next to the rest of them (James, Remus, Peter). It's incorrect to use the actor's height of 6'2" for Remus since we know canonically that he's not taller than Sirius, and Sirius is (also incorrectly) listed as 5'9" in the wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Switchp2323 (talkcontribs).

This entire paragraph is canonically incorrect:

He was also quite tall, standing six feet, two inches tall. His height was not often mentioned, but is notable as his height corresponded roughly to the full length of a wolf's body from nose to tail. His 162 pound weight also corresponded to his wolfish dimensions." We know nothing about Remus Lupin's height, and nothing in the books ever says that height and weight of a person correspond to their werewolf form. We don't even know what Remus's werewolf dimensions were. I suggest this be edited to reflect that Remus Lupin's height/weight (werewolf and human) are "unknown". So many people in the fandom are using these numbers as canon in fics/discussion and they are not canon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msmimikins (talkcontribs).