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Remus and Lily[]

About Lily's relationship with Remus: The line "your mother was there for me at a time where no one else was" was from the movie and not the book. It's defintely not canon as Remus would never had said that. He would have been insulting his best friends (The Marauders) if he did. The Marauders were the ones who were there for him, accepted him for being a werewolf and became animagi for him. Plus, James financially supported him when he was unable to find a job. Lily was never mentioned to have done anything for Remus for him to say that line. Remus doesn't even speak about Lily much in the books except when he's referring to both her and James. There is no indication in the books to Remus and Lily being close at all. James is the one Remus usually talks about. Twilight2013 (talk) 17:43, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

The best character in the Harry Potter series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PigLoverGoComics (talkcontribs).


I mean - Remus probably had a fall-out with the other Marauders at some point, like Harry and Ron had, you know, like all friends sometimes have, and Lupin, so relieved and happy about being accepted, began to worry about the prospect of never having friends again. At least, not making friends he could confide his condition to, and Lily could've been there to help him through it until he and the others made up, giving Lupin a newfound respect and appreciation of Lily. Tfoc (talk) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

Werewolf since childhood dispute.[]

Tazenda is right. Lupin was bitten at the age of five and lived with the condition of lycantrophy, aka, being a werewolf, to the day he died. Tfoc (talk) 10:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

The sentence 'afflicted with Lycanthropy during his childhood' simply meant that his childhood was when the affliction started. Anyway, I have now rewritten that sentence to hopefully make it more clear. Sirius (talk) 10:46, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
"afflicted" means "suffering from" - checked on a dictionary. Took me the whole of 3 seconds. User talk:Tazenda 10:58, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
I am fully aware what it means, thank you. The situation has been resolved, let's move on. Sirius (talk) 11:02, June 15, 2020 (UTC)


Infobox images[]

This is not a topic of discussion, but why have his two infobox images vanished? I don't know how to fix them. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Species: Werewolf[]

J. K. Rowling has stated that being a werewolf is considered a type of illness, rather than being a separate species. RogueOwner (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, being a werewolf is an illness, but werewolves are also an exact species of magical beast.RedWizard98 (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"J. K. Rowling's word is law." --RogueOwner (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Again yes, J. K Rowling's word is law - that is why Werewolves are depicted as magical creatures in all the books (Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them for instance...), films, video games, etc, Pottermore/Wizarding World, as well as an illness in itself. This wiki reflects that, and, it most certainly isn't going to change any time soon. In HP, Humans, upon being bitten by a werewolf, are cursed with a dark magical illness, which as a result, causes them to become a specific type of creature every full moon, that is not human, but a monster. Cheers RedWizard98 (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

They're still humans but with a lycanthrope illness. Those sources you mentioned are tier two. Rowling is Tier One. RogueOwner (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I think you will find that books, such as Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and others, along with Pottermore, are not tier-two sources. This discussion seems to have little point, as I kind of feel like it is debating stuff long established. I'd recommend taking this discussion elsewhere, as Lupin's article is not going to have his species changed. RedWizard98 (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lol. I didn't even ask for anyone's opinion, I only stated what Rowling said, so you're the one making this discussion pointlessy long. --RogueOwner (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, stating that books and a certain website written by Rowling herself are somehow tier two and inaccurate is fundamentally wrong, I'm afraid to say.RedWizard98 (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I didn't say that content written by Rowling herself is tier two nor wrong. I said the exact opposite. The Canon article lists the video games and Pottermore as Tier Two. --RogueOwner (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect. The Canon article lists the video games as tier three and Pottermore as tier one. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  00:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Pottermore is tier two? Is it (https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Canon)? The vast majority of content from Pottermore is tier one, since JKR wrote most of it. The only tier-two material on Pottermore is anything that wasn't written by Rowling herself, but the website itself is still considered tier one. RedWizard98 (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Anything written by J.K. Rowling herself will and has always been tier one canon. Anything on the website that hasn't been written by her has been put in tier two. Since sources including Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Werewolves" at Wizarding World have very clearly been written solely by her, they belong in tier one. Werewolves have been portrayed and viewed in the wizarding world like a separate species, and I haven't even found a source of Rowling saying anything to the contrary. - Kates39 (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them states "Seventy-five species are described in the following pages..." and Werewolf is listed as one of those entries so it is a separate species. However, in that entry it says "Humans turn into werewolves only when bitten" and "Once a month, at the full moon, the otherwise sane and normal wizard or Muggle afflicted transforms into a murderous beast." This points to the werewolf beast as a separate species, but every other day the normal person is a human with an affliction (as also emphasized in Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Illness and Disability" at Wizarding World - "Remus Lupin’s affliction was a conscious reference to blood-borne diseases such as the HIV infection, with the attendant stigma. The potion Snape brews him is akin to the antiretroviral that will keep him from developing the ‘full-blown’ version of his illness. The sense of ‘apartness’ that the management of a chronic condition can impose on its sufferers was an important part of Lupin’s character.")

Later information such as Writing by J. K. Rowling: "Werewolves" at Wizarding World muddies this quite a bit however in how the term "werewolf" is used to describe to the individual regardless of form, but provides a couple interesting points.

  • The wizarding world is not entirely sure how to classify the werewolf - "Werewolves have been shunted between the Beast and Being divisions of the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures for years, because nobody could make up their minds whether a werewolf should be classified as human or bestial".
  • The werewolf has both a human (species?) form and wolf-ish (species?) form - "While in his or her wolfish form, the werewolf loses entirely its human sense of right or wrong." ... "While human, the werewolf may be as good or kind as the next person." ... "If attacked by a werewolf that is still in human form, ..." Unfortunately, the language used is highly inconsistent using both the idea of a werewolf's human form and a werewolf that is sometimes a human.
  • The offspring of two werewolves in wolfish form are in fact (highly-intelligent) wolves - "if two werewolves meet and mate at the full moon (a highly unlikely contingency which is known to have occurred only twice) the result of the mating will be wolf cubs which resemble true wolves in everything except their abnormally high intelligence." If conceived while in human form, the offspring of a werewolf is in fact a human (e.g. Edward Lupin :). "However, where werewolves have married human partners, there has been no sign of their lycanthropy being passed to their offspring."

Species being defined as "as the largest group of organisms in which any two individuals of the appropriate sexes or mating types can produce fertile offspring" the fact that both human offspring and wolf offspring are possible points to the individual being two different species depending on the lunar phase.

This would suggest that Lupin's species could be listed as Human & Werewolf, or perhaps Human / Werewolf, as he is of both species just at differing times, not as "formerly human" which is currently listed. Thoughts? --Ironyak1 (talk) 05:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I think it would suggest Lupin's species could be both human and werewolf too. Rowling's wording can be confusing however. In Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, she puts that the classification of beast was "to the werewolf in its transformed state. When there is no full moon, the werewolf is as harmless as any other human". So in their human form, they are just like any "other" human being, but she still used the word "werewolf" to describe that person too. The wizarding world appears conficted by it, because they don't know how to absolutely define it and shunt the definition into both beast and being. I think we need to adjust the wording on Lupin's page (and other characters like Fenrir) to show that. I don't think it's clear enough to say one over the other. - Kates39 (talk) 11:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

We could list werewolves as "Human (Werewolf)", like how Seers are listed as "Human (Seer)". -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  21:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Fanon/Shipping[]

Hello, this post is not a discussion regarding article content, but recently there has been a ridiculous amount of fanon/shipping which has been uploaded to this article, specifically that Remus was in a romantic relationship with Sirius Black (which of course, he was not). This is extremely worrying, as it appears that there is a movement which seeks to vandalise this very good and accurate article with this untruthful nonsense (possible sock-puppetry as well). Perhaps this article should have a much higher level of protection placed on it, for safekeeping? RedWizard98 (talk) 21:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

A suggestion. Perhaps this constant vandalism should be met with a permanent block? Usually reserved for the worst types of vandalism and trolling. It might deter this person, as it seems it's the work of one person. Or perhaps a warning for newcomers not to vandalise these two pages Valeyard12.5 (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I've changed the protection to autoconfirmed for one month.Rodolphus (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

In response to Valeyard12.5's comment, I would be heavily in favour of harshly punishing those who vandalise articles with fanon, as we need to uphold the rules and laws of this wiki. Blocking users for this behaviour will also warn other users that if they engage in such behaviour, there will be consequences. I know that sounds somewhat mean-spirited, but fanon is really annoying and needs to be swiftly dealt with; it can't be ignored or tolerated. RedWizard98 (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I've protected the Sirius Black article as well. About adding the Romance, this would usually fall under the canon policy violations, which would usually require a warining first and then a block if an offence is commited after a warning. What do the other Admins think? I don't want to decide how to handle the situation on my own.Rodolphus (talk) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Any edit that goes against policy should lead to a warning for the user explaining the situation before any blocking action is taken (see FANDOM's upcoming formal policy on this matter if that needs any clarification). Thankfully, we already have long-established policies and procedures for handling these issues.
Given the perpetual popularity of the "Wolfstar" ship, it's not surprising when it pop-ups here from time to time - it's not particularly severe vandalism nor warranting a permanent block by any means. Users adding fanon are not going to check the history of the page, see if someone else tried to add it before, then check what the consequences were, then make their choice. As such, any thought of deterrence through harsh punishment is misplaced (as well as against FANDOM's new policy requirements). Warning users with a link to the policy, imposing initially small but increasingly long blocks for persistent vandals, and temporarily protecting the page as needed is the normal and appropriate response (just like for any other user/page prone to vandalism). Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Remus height is incorrect[]

Remus Lupin's height is never mentioned in the books. Sirius is the only Marauder described as tall when standing next to the rest of them (James, Remus, Peter). It's incorrect to use the actor's height of 6'2" for Remus since we know canonically that he's not taller than Sirius, and Sirius is (also incorrectly) listed as 5'9" in the wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Switchp2323 (talkcontribs).

This entire paragraph is canonically incorrect:

He was also quite tall, standing six feet, two inches tall. His height was not often mentioned, but is notable as his height corresponded roughly to the full length of a wolf's body from nose to tail. His 162 pound weight also corresponded to his wolfish dimensions." We know nothing about Remus Lupin's height, and nothing in the books ever says that height and weight of a person correspond to their werewolf form. We don't even know what Remus's werewolf dimensions were. I suggest this be edited to reflect that Remus Lupin's height/weight (werewolf and human) are "unknown". So many people in the fandom are using these numbers as canon in fics/discussion and they are not canon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msmimikins (talkcontribs).
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