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Maiden Name

The Wizard's Challenge on the Scholastic Site calls a character "Porpentina Filibuster". As the site is canon, should Filibuster be moved to "Porpentina Filibuster" or is "Filibuster" Porpentina Scamander's maiden name? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 17:56, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'd err on the side of caution and answer no. It might be just a wizarding name and a surname they decided to jumble up together to produce a possible misleading answer that had a ring to it. There's also a question that features the wrong answers "Hedda the One-eyed Crone", "Boric the Beheaded", "Cletus the Overly Clever", characters that feature nowhere in canon -- "Porpentina Filibuster" might be another such case. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:17, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

In Fantastic Beasts film

J. K. Rowling's recent tweets appear to be confirming the rumours that Porpentina will be appearing in the Fantastic Beasts film, though she admittedly never directly says this. Should we assume this as confirmation, or err on the side of caution and wait for a direct statement? -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 21:20, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I see no harm in including the possibility in a BTS note, as long as it's properly referenced. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:39, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Blood status

Just wondering, is there any evidence that Porpentina and her sister Queenie are witches? They could have been muggles or squibs. Muggle spouses and parents are allowed to know about the wizarding world.--Rodolphus (talk) 10:46, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Though this information was not available when you asked this, I'm just noting for the record that an official press release calls Tina a witch. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 19:50, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Page move

Just wondering, does canon ever refer to her specificaally as "Porpentima Scamander"? I thonk FB called her "Newt's wife Porpentina, " with no mention of her surname.

As it is policy to use the name that is most commonly used, I suggest to move this article to "Porpentina Golstein", Perhaps they will marry in the second or third film, then we could move it back.--Rodolphus (talk) 17:49, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Saxon 21:37, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Can an Admin move it, then?--Rodolphus (talk) 17:41, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Bumping.

Yes check Done Starstuff (Owl me!) 05:44, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

School

Should we assume that Tina and Queenie attended Ilvermorny? JKR has saud Newt meets peopke from this school.--Rodolphus (talk) 15:53, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Muggleborn/Squib

Hey people! I'm a bit new at wikia and my english is surely not that good to write articles, but i asking myself if i maybe got an revolutionary thought i was thinking of... On the pottermore article about the behind the scenes of FBaWtFT, the following quote is made: " Alison Sudol sometimes forgets she’s a ‘No-Maj’ " Since Alison Sudol played Queenie, the sister of Porpetina, shouldn't it be a hint of Rowling to let us known that Porpentina is, acutally a Muggleborn? Or maybe is Queenie a Squib? All these things made my mind goes crazy, so i hope sombody can awnser this c: Daimon Hayyd (talk) 17:24, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

"Alison Sudol forgets she's a No-Maj." Alison Sudol, as in the actress, not Queenie the character. We know Queenie is a Legilimens, and have seen her bearing a wand in the few Behind the scenes images we have access to (and using said wand; though the special effects haven't been added yet). So, we definitely know she's not a Squib, and I can't see the argument to say she's a Muggleborn. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 17:00, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, i'm sorry for my dumb thoughts tho. Daimon Hayyd (talk) 17:24, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, there is no such thing as dumb thoughts. We may not always be right about our speculations but we learn from each other either way - speculations have to stay to the talk pages. Both Queenie and Tina are definitely witches - both have wands - Queenie a "bombshell" wand. Technically, muggle-born cannot be ruled out - or in. Is there anything that says that they are pure-blood or half blood? Their mother Ms Goldstein - I presumed that she would also be a witch, but we were never told one way or the other, as far as I know. That said, I probably missed a few things - hard to have read all the FB news - or find it all. What I know for sure is that she is the mother of two witches.

The argument is that we know Tina is a witch - an Auror (which is a wizarding occupation) - but not her blood status nor the importance of blood statuses in the USA - which pretends to be a classless society - or used to pretend to be. (Vaudree (talk) 07:03, February 6, 2016 (UTC))

I didn't say Porpentina and Queenie couldn't be Muggle-born; I said we literally nothing to support that they are. And, by the way, Porpentina wasn't an Auror (at least, not that we know of) -- we just know that she worked at MACUSA. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 18:23, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, my error about the auror part - was just trying to say that no one should feel dumb. Everyone starts somewhere, eh, and if one is afraid of feeling dumb, one never learns more. Was probably conflating her wanting to do good with wanting to be an auror. And being demoted - though not sure from what. There was a lower ranking in the UK that wasn't an auror but did some auror-like work - can't remember what they were called. Not sure it applies in this case, but wished I could remember. (Vaudree (talk) 21:56, February 6, 2016 (UTC))

Tina's occupation

Patrol is the job title. Squad is a group of patrols. Both aurors and patrols are in magical law enforcement - the difference is one does more important skilled work and the other does more trivial less skilled work.

Cut and pasted from elsewhere -

Finally remembered the name of the position which is sort of a less skilled version of an Auror - it is called Magical Law Enforcement Patrol.

It is possible that Tina was demoted from Auror to a desk job rather than demoted from Auror to a Patrol - but since her outfit, from the link you used to denote her as a former Auror, is a cheaper version of an Auror outfit, a Patrol would be more likely?

Don't know if this is American or Canadian/British page numbers

'Will it be Aurors who catch them?'

'Oh no, this is too trivial for Aurors, it'll be the ordinary Magical Law Enforcement Patrol - ah, Harry, this is Perkins.'

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - p.123 - Bloomsbury - Chapter 7, The Ministry of Magic -- Not definitively, but more definitively than which school she attended. Depends what they meant in the article you used to canon by the phrase "elements of their character" - whether it is their personality only or whether it is to capture the role the actors are playing. Another source that was there before seems to indicate the latter.

It is very interesting that both her status is downgraded and her clothes are downgraded.

Relevant quotes from your link:

"‘Well,’ she says. ‘Tina had been an Auror. She’s fallen out of that world but I still wanted her to have the feeling of that world. So I gave her an overcoat that’s a little bit loose like an Auror’s coat, but made of more ordinary fabric, as though she’d downgraded from that spectacular leather silhouette of the Aurors." / "... the way she’s dressed the Goldstein sisters is not just about aesthetics. It’s about literally weaving elements of their character into their clothes."

Other Relevant quotes:

'Fantastic Beasts' Character Descriptions Revealed [1] says: "Tina is relegated to an office well below her abilities after she stood up for the wrong person."

Everything we've learned about ‘Fantastic Beasts' this week [2] says: "She’s been demoted below her abilities and ambitions because she stood up for the wrong person."

  • FIRST - character seems to refer to one's role and circumstance as well as one's personality.
  • SECOND - demotions tend to be a lower rank of the same profession rather than a new profession.
  • THIRD - below one's abilities means a job requiring less skill rather than a job requiring a different skillset.

In FB, Newt has information as to the Beasts, their habits, their preferred habitat and what they eat - that is information that Graves doesn't have. What Newt lacks is any knowledge of New York or where the Beasts would go to try to find these things. Would an auror, who only looks after important things, have knowledge as trivial as to where in New York the Beasts could find what they would be looking for once escaping? (Vaudree (talk) 07:14, February 22, 2016 (UTC))

Full name

As far as I read in the French wiki, it seems that an image of Porpentina's MACUSA identity card was released, identifying her as Porpentina Esther Goldstein, born 19th August 1901 and also giving her exact MACUSA position. Unfortunately, it is to ´hard for me to read. Can anyone upload it here and get a closer read?--Rodolphus (talk) 18:39, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Interesting find!
Also has her birthday, eye & hair color, height, weight, & address, as well as some wands. I'll see if I can find a higher res picture but may be difficult given its Japanese source. --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:56, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

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