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Failed featured

Peter Pettigrew was previously a failed featured article nomination. It is now featured. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Gryffindor?

How come he was sorted into Gryffindor? Has he displayed a sole ounce of courage during his life? Well, maybe all his help to aid the Marauders and especially Lupin during childhood was taken into account but... Come on, how could he possibly lose his character in less than three years?--K ) (talk)


Well, not everyone is defined by their house. And remember, the Sorting Hat takes your choice into account. There's lots of possible reasons as to why he was sorted into it, but this aint really the place to discuss. Go to the Leaky Cauldron Forums or something to talk about it. Lemniwinks

The Sorting Hat isn't infallible. "You know, I sometimes think we Sort too soon" - Dumbledore to Snape (DH, The Prince's Tale). Pettigrew and Snape got sorted to the opposite houses they should have been. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.70.50.117 (talkcontribs).
Actually, it's been stated by JKR that the sorting hat never once made a mistake in its sortings. Was he really not brave? I think he lacked confidence, not bravery. --SilverDrama 07:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if JKR has ever answered a question regarding Peter's suitability for Gryffindor, but she did get asked about whether Snape truly belonged in Slytherin after DH, and responded as such:
"Yes, God, yes, definitely, at the time that he was sorted. I believe what Dumbledore believes when he says to Snape in the very last book, 'Sometimes I think we sort too soon.' To judge someone at the age of eleven, to judge them, to set their future course so young, seems to me to be a very harsh thing to do, and it doesn't take into account the fact that we do change and evolve. A lot of people are at forty what they were at eleven, having said that, so I think Sorting Hat is shrewd, but Snape does redeem himself and it fails to take that into account."
I suppose that, when Peter was Sorted at 11, he belonged in Gryffindor. He may have started out inwardly brave and outwardly timid, like Neville, but never learned to overcome that timidity, and thus became ruled by fear. Starstuff (Owl me!) 10:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Starstuff about him being like Neville in his bravery. See, what I think happened to Wormtail was he was a "false hero". He originally had brave, noble ideas in his head, like Neville, but being suddenly thrust into a dangerous situation made him forget all of that, and he immediately began acting on his survival instincts and not his beliefs. One cannot judge how someone would behave in a situation like Wormtail's until they have actually been in it. So, the difference between Wormtail and Neville is that Neville learned to stand up for what he believed in, Wormtail didn't. 98.182.42.245 20:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the info box said he was in Slytherin, unless I'm wrong wasn't he in Gryffindor? Skyreader 14:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You must be confusing the Slytherin infobox with the Death Deater infobox. Peter has the DE infobox. -- Seth Cooper Moon (Owl Post) 14:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


Main image change

We still have got a Main image from film 3. Hasn´t an image from film 6 been released yet? If not, the most recent would be one from film 5 (teenaged Peter, not appropriate in my opion)or from film 4. --Rodolphus 08:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Can we upload an image from film 6 now? He definitely was in it.--Rodolphus 11:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

We'll probably have to wait until the DVD comes out. I don't believe that Peter Pettigrew's brief appearance has been shown in any of the trailers or promotional stills. Starstuff (Owl me!) 08:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it wasn´t. Or at least, I don´t know.--Rodolphus 08:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The DVD has been released. Can we update the main image now?--Rodolphus 17:58, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Category

In which category should we sort Peter in? Killed by Lord Voldemort ( as the hand was created by him) or killed by Peter Pettigrew?--Rodolphus 09:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that it's fine for him to be in both. Snape is in both Category:Killed by Lord Voldemort and Category:Killed by Nagini. However, I do think it's somewhat awkward to essentially categorize a person as their own victim, but though Pettigrew's death was self-caused, it was unintentional on his part, so it wouldn't fit under Category:Deaths by suicide. Starstuff (Owl me!) 09:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I´ve added him to both.--Rodolphus 15:56, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Loyalty

The Order of Merlin is not a group or something like this. It´s an award. You can´t be loyal to an award, can´t you?--Rodolphus 13:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The Ordr of Merlin is an organization for whom mebership is represented by the receiving of the award. Jayden Matthews 13:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Roldolphus is correct. The Order of Merlin is an award. It began as an organization when it was founded by Merlin, but at some point in history, it changed to an award. Starstuff (Owl me!) 08:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Do we know for certain that it ever stopped being an organization? There's no reason we it can't be an organization and an award at that same time, and unless we know for sure, saying that it it no longer an organization is assumption. Jayden Matthews 13:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

In the books, the Order of Merlin is usually referred to as something a person can possess, which suggests it is now only an award. Fudge states in Prisoner of Azkaban, Chapter 10, that Pettigrew received "the Order of Merlin, first class" and Slughorn says of Damocles "Outstanding wizard, outstanding, and his Order of Merlin most well-deserved" in HBP7. I don't see an issue with editing the Order of Merlin article to indicate that it is possible that the Order is still an organization. However, including "Order of Merlin" as an allegiance in a character infobox would be making the statement that it is still an organization, and we don't know if this is the case. Starstuff (Owl me!) 08:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The rat in transfiguration

Regarding that image of the rat being transfigured into a cup: The animals used in Transfiguration were given to the students by Professor McGonagall. They didn't have to use their own pets in Transfiguration. So I don't think the rat in the image is Scabbers/Pettigrew. Also, it looks too healthy for it. Scabbers had lost weight and whole patches of hair while the rat in the image hasn't. --Maxl 09:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The one you mentioned that animals used in Transfiguration were given only to the students by Professor McGonagall is obviously not done or shown in the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, so the rat in Ron's table like what Jayden said is identical to Scabbers. --ÈnŔîčö DCRavenclawcrest(Send me an Owl!) 18:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Scabbers declinig health started in Prisoner of Azkaban, after he heard that Sirius Black had escaped. The rat in the Transfiguration scene is identical to Scabbers so it's clearly meant to be him. Jayden Matthews 10:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Relationshiips image

Under Relationships/Lord Voldemort we have a picture of him in the Ministry. I don´t think this fits the article. Don´t we have a screenshot with him and Peter at the Graveyard?--Rodolphus 17:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Any ideas for a good image?--Rodolphus 14:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted the old image and replaced it with a new one of Lord Voldemort and Peter Pettigrew in the graveyard of Little Hangleton--Wizard44 12:20 June 11, 2010

Harry Potter's blood

If Wormtail said if we were to do it without the boy then why did he get harry's blood--User:Jeffrey1992 Slytherin User talk:Jeffrey1992 3:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC) (Owl me!) TO Seth Cooper

Right after Pettigrew said that Voldemort said (on the film version, at least) "No! The boy is everything. It cannot be done without him, and it will be done exactly as I said!".--  Seth Cooper  owl post! 12:48, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

James and Lily Potter

Why did Peter Pettigrew betrayed James and Lily Potter? Not for who of course.--Station7 12:34, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

It was pure fear. he feared that he would get killed by "him".--Rodolphus 12:41, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Redemption

Does anyone think that Peter redeemed himself before he died?--Jj7362 19:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to respond with a big NO here. While it's clear he had a twinge of regret he still tried to undo his merciful impulse before being killed by his own hand.--Ztyran

How did Peter Pettigrew get his Order of Merlin, First Class?

How did Peter Pettigrew get his Order of Merlin, First Class? 110.32.86.21 13:20, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

It was awarded to him for supposedly getting blown into little pieces by Sirius Black. After Sirius was vindicated, we believe the award was retracted. --JKochRavenclawcrest(Owl Me!) 16:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Getting to the Weasleys

I've been wondering about this for awhile. How did Peter get from a street in London to the Weasly's home? And then becomes Percy's rat, instead of being killed like regular vermin? Really, who finds a common sewer rat and keeps them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.149.73.16 (talkcontribs) 18:18, June 26, 2011.

This is one of the great unanswered questions of the Potter series. I've always assumed that since Scabbers wasn't Bill or Charlie's rat, and Percy didn't start at Hogwarts until 1987, he must've stuck it out for a few years on his own before finding his way to Magical Menagerie, where the Weasleys picked him up because a common garden rat was cheaper than any of the magical pets on offer there. I hope that JKR gives us an answer with Pottermore or the Scottish Book. Starstuff (Owl me!) 22:11, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Magical skills

A few parts of this article, particularly the section on his relationship with Severus Snape, describe Pettigrew's magical skills as minimal. This contradicts the "Magical skill and abilities" section, which states: "[I]t was a testament that, contrary to universal belief, Peter was actually a considerably powerful wizard in his own right." This section lists a large amount of advanced magic that Pettrigrew managed by himself.

The following passage from the Snape section is particularly troublesome, as it states absolutely that Pettigrew was unskilled, rather than talking about other characters' perceptions of him: "Pettigrew, who certainly wouldn't have fared well duelling with a wizard as skilled and powerful as Snape, only got away with doing so because he had more-talented friends backing him up."

One or the other of these sections should be changed for consistency's sake. Any thoughts / suggestions on resolving this?

Seansinc 00:42, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Color

Shouldn't it be red? I know he essentially acted like a Slytherin but he was still a Gryffindor.

-HoboHunter28- (Leave me an owl!) 04:07, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


That's the Death Eater infobox, not Slytherin.--Rodolphus 08:18, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

When does it say he has order of merlin 1st class? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.45.119.21 (talkcontribs).

"Well, there you have it, Rosmerta. Black was taken away by twenty members of the Magical Law Enforcement Squad and Pettigrew recieved the Order of Merlin, First Class, which I think was some comfort to his poor mother. Black's been in Azkaban ever since."
—Cornelius Fudge[src]

-- 1337star 02:08, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hey where's the source for his death day being March 26? If that's true, than shouldn't that be the same for Dobby and the SKirmish at Malfoy Manor? Alumeng 20:42, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

March 26?

Where did we get that date from? --KiumaruHamachi 17:16, November 29, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

the wiki should not sayhe's disloyal nor have an INCREDIBLE act of selfishness especially not an incredible act of cowardice.

the book never tried to imply that he's DISLOYAL and it is not widely regarded by fans that he's disloyal either. lets see, Voldemort probably said "tell me or die"(well probably something like that), and also being voldemort he definitely tortured Peter. Peter betrayed them cause he didn't want to get killed nor be tortured more. he valued his own life more than his friends. the only thing that that implies is he's not all noble like the other three are - you can say that's selfish but not an incredible act(since as we all know, all humans are selfish being animals from evolution). loyalty means you don't walk off from someone else like karkaroff did. cowardice means you're afraid of things that few people are afraid of and your constantly afraid of it and you have low confidence. it was very well true that voldemort would have killed him if he didn't say so the only thing we can conclude is that peters selfish since its stupid to fight voldemort. and why doesn't the snape article say "betraying voldemort was a incredible level of disloyalty" then?

-he was actually helping Voldemort before that, and he also framded Sirius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.7.207.239 (talkcontribs).

Would you call him loyal to his friends James Potter, Sirius Black and Remus Lupin? He betrayed the Potters which led to their deaths. When that is not disloyal, then I don't know what disloyalty is. You can say that death fear is the cause but makes that less disloyal or selfish or not a coward?  Harry granger   Talk   contribs 21:59, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Blood Status

Pettigrew's blood status is listed as Half-Blood or Pure-Blood, but even if his mother was known to be magical, it is determined by ancestry, not by what ones parents were. Thus he could be a Muggle-born. Unlikely, as he was a Death-eater, but as he helped Voldemort out to such an extent, an exception could have been made.Simongr81 (talk) 01:10, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

No. A Muggle-born is only a witch or wizard born from two Muggles. A wizard who has any direct wizarding ancestry, no matter to what degree, cannot be any less than half-blood. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 01:13, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
You make an interesting argument, but by the standard you give, a wizard with two Muggle-Born parents would be a Pure-blood. That just can't be. Harry would be a Pure-blood as his dad was a Pure-blood and his mom was Muggle-born. But he is classified as a Half-blood. Simongr81 (talk) 21:40, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ímage

This image is repeated twice in the article (without counting the almost identical picture on the Relationships section). --{{SUBST:User:Lluvia Roja/Firma}} 21:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hair colour

When was it stated that his hair colour was "mousy brown"? Is it taken from the movie? I really need to know this. Has J. K. Rowling made an announcement about it? Whatever it is, I think we should add a footnote. Chanpuruuu (talk) 22:20, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

If the books don't provide any information about it, then what's shown in the films is considered canon, per our policy, for the purposes of this wiki. ProfessorTofty (talk) 22:45, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Mm, yeah, I know that. I just wanted to know where it came from. So you took it from his looks in the movie? I think it's pretty confusing, can't we add a footnote? Chanpuruuu (talk) 00:17, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

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