Talk:Penelope Clearwater

Where does it sa ythat she was muggle Born?Harry Potter Fantic 1 18:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)Harry Potter Fantic 1

If it says it at all, it would be in Chamber of Secrets after the Basilisk attacks her. Mafalda Hopkirk 04:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that the association is made since the Basilisk targets Muggle-borns. Unfortunately, since she was with Hermione at the time (a known Muggle-born), she may have been caught in the crossfire as it were, and not the actual target. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 14:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to include Penelope in Category:Muggle-borns. Yes, she was attacked by the Basilisk, but, as Cav pointed out, she was with Hermione at the time. Of the other Basilisk victims, we know for certain that Justin, Colin, and Myrtle were Muggle-born (Draco refers to Myrtle as a "Mudblood" in CoS12). It's safe to say Mrs. Norris wasn't Muggle-born, and as for Sir Nicholas, we don't have information either way.

We're also given conflicting evidence about Penelope's blood status. In DH, when the Trio are caught by Snatchers, Hermione poses as Penelope and claims to be half-blood. Although Hermione was suddenly thrust into a dangerous situation, and had to think fast, I don't think she'd have made such a huge mistake as claiming to be someone who was Muggle-born. Even if she never found out Penelope's blood status for certain, Hermione would've remembered that Penelope had been Petrified by the Basilisk, and that that meant she could be Muggle-born. I thus think that Hermione was reasonably aware that Penelope was not Muggle-born.

But we don't have solid enough evidence to put Penelope in any of the parentage categories. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 09:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that she should be removed from the Muggle-borns category. There's conflicting evidence, thus she shouldn't be in either category. Oread ^(talk) 02:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

well in cos it states that there were four attacks on muggle-borns as said by fudge wouldn't that count?18:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

first game?

Where does Penelope <appear in the first game?--Rodolphus 08:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the first game from the "Appearances" section until it can be confirmed. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 14:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Muggle born

She must have been Muggle-born, cause the Basilisc only atacked Muggle borns.

201.172.65.92 03:27, July 18, 2011 (UTC)Mee!

In 2009 it was concluded that Penelope Clearwater would be removed from the list of Muggle-Borns, and her blood status changed due to conflicting information. This has not yet been done.

216.121.149.232 00:30, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Where was this concluded? -Shorty1982 00:55, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

In the discussion at the beginning of this talk page.

216.121.149.232 17:55, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Picture?

Where does this picture in the infobox come from? i thought we only see her from the back in the movie?67.253.254.189 17:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)jpc

Blood-status

The back-and-forth regarding her blood-status is getting a bit ridiculous, nor does discussion of discrepancies regarding it belong in the main article. I'm removing it from both the infobox and category and putting the information regarding the discrepancy in behind-the-scenes.

P.S.: There are some claims in the edit history that she is specifically referred to as being "muggle born" in Chamber of Secrets, but if so, where? What chapter? ProfessorTofty 22:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 17, pg. 310 in the Scholastic version, specifically...

"She set the Serpent of Slytherin on four Mudbloods, and the Squib's cat."

— The memory of Tom Riddle on Ginny Weasley's actions.

...is I believe the quote in question. But I suppose that depends on how reliable of a source you think a piece of Tom Riddle's soul is. Eh, Pottermore will probably clarify this issue eventually, so I guess it can stay as is for now. -- 1337star (Owl Post) 22:34, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

i'm reading CoS now and on chapter 14 page 261 fudge says to hagrid "very bad business. had to come. four attacks on muggle-borns." wouldn't that include penelope? because thats colin, justin, hermione, and penelope.209.159.233.194 17:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I think that's sufficient. Alright, I'll go ahead and fix it up and refer people to the talk page. ProfessorTofty 17:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)