Talk:Penelope Clearwater

Where is the source to the information that Penelope is a) Head Girl and b) the same year as Percy?  I was so sure she was a year behind Percy, and don't recall ever reading that she was Head Girl - is that conjecture based on the fact that she was dating Percy?  I would assume if she were Head Girl that Percy would have made a big deal about it but...  (75.72.233.80 02:40, February 28, 2013 (UTC) ; Maco Dralfoy)

Where does it sa ythat she was muggle Born?Harry Potter Fantic 1 18:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)Harry Potter Fantic 1

If it says it at all, it would be in Chamber of Secrets after the Basilisk attacks her. Mafalda Hopkirk 04:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that the association is made since the Basilisk targets Muggle-borns. Unfortunately, since she was with Hermione at the time (a known Muggle-born), she may have been caught in the crossfire as it were, and not the actual target. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 14:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to include Penelope in Category:Muggle-borns. Yes, she was attacked by the Basilisk, but, as Cav pointed out, she was with Hermione at the time. Of the other Basilisk victims, we know for certain that Justin, Colin, and Myrtle were Muggle-born (Draco refers to Myrtle as a "Mudblood" in CoS12). It's safe to say Mrs. Norris wasn't Muggle-born, and as for Sir Nicholas, we don't have information either way.

We're also given conflicting evidence about Penelope's blood status. In DH, when the Trio are caught by Snatchers, Hermione poses as Penelope and claims to be half-blood. Although Hermione was suddenly thrust into a dangerous situation, and had to think fast, I don't think she'd have made such a huge mistake as claiming to be someone who was Muggle-born. Even if she never found out Penelope's blood status for certain, Hermione would've remembered that Penelope had been Petrified by the Basilisk, and that that meant she could be Muggle-born. I thus think that Hermione was reasonably aware that Penelope was not Muggle-born.

But we don't have solid enough evidence to put Penelope in any of the parentage categories. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 09:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that she should be removed from the Muggle-borns category. There's conflicting evidence, thus she shouldn't be in either category. Oread ^(talk) 02:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

well in cos it states that there were four attacks on muggle-borns as said by fudge wouldn't that count?18:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

first game?

Where does Penelope <appear in the first game?--Rodolphus 08:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the first game from the "Appearances" section until it can be confirmed. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 14:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Muggle born

She must have been Muggle-born, cause the Basilisc only atacked Muggle borns.

201.172.65.92 03:27, July 18, 2011 (UTC)Mee!

In 2009 it was concluded that Penelope Clearwater would be removed from the list of Muggle-Borns, and her blood status changed due to conflicting information. This has not yet been done.

216.121.149.232 00:30, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Where was this concluded? -Shorty1982 00:55, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

In the discussion at the beginning of this talk page.

216.121.149.232 17:55, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Picture?

Where does this picture in the infobox come from? i thought we only see her from the back in the movie?67.253.254.189 17:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)jpc

Blood-status

The back-and-forth regarding her blood-status is getting a bit ridiculous, nor does discussion of discrepancies regarding it belong in the main article. I'm removing it from both the infobox and category and putting the information regarding the discrepancy in behind-the-scenes.

P.S.: There are some claims in the edit history that she is specifically referred to as being "muggle born" in Chamber of Secrets, but if so, where? What chapter? ProfessorTofty 22:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 17, pg. 310 in the Scholastic version, specifically...

"She set the Serpent of Slytherin on four Mudbloods, and the Squib's cat."

— The memory of Tom Riddle on Ginny Weasley's actions.

...is I believe the quote in question. But I suppose that depends on how reliable of a source you think a piece of Tom Riddle's soul is. Eh, Pottermore will probably clarify this issue eventually, so I guess it can stay as is for now. -- 1337star (Owl Post) 22:34, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

i'm reading CoS now and on chapter 14 page 261 fudge says to hagrid "very bad business. had to come. four attacks on muggle-borns." wouldn't that include penelope? because thats colin, justin, hermione, and penelope.209.159.233.194 17:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I think that's sufficient. Alright, I'll go ahead and fix it up and refer people to the talk page. ProfessorTofty 17:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

But then don't you also have to take into consideration deathly hallows? When the snatchers pick them all up Hermione uses her name when they ask for one. Why would she use another muggleborns name in that situtation? Obviously we could say that she just didn't want to use her own because they'd know who they were, but shes Hermione. Shes the clever one. She wouldn't use a muggleborn name and also directly after using that name she states that her blood status is Half. And why would fudge know theyre all muggleborn anyway in CoS? They probably just talk about it like that because 3 of the 4 WERE muggleborn. So I think it's safe to assume Penelope is half and was just in the crossfire of the basilisks attack. . . but maybe thats just me Touj0urspur (talk) 19:03, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Nearly-Headless Nick is another candidate for the fourth Muggle-born being referred to in the two quotes above. This makes the most sense to me. Penelope was petrified when she was with Hermione, a known Muggle-born, and thus someone who was obviously a deliberate target of the attack. Nick, on the other hand, was with Mrs. Norris at the time, and it doesn't seem like a cat would've been deliberately targeted. So the question of Penelope's blood status remains open. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 16:56, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. Okay, I guess we're just going to have to accept this as ambiguous for the time being. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nick was not with Mrs. Norris when she was attacked. Nick was with Justin when he was attacked. Isn't it possible that Tom Riddle saw Penelope as a mudblood and Hermione didn't. Maybe she was the daughter of a squib and a muggle. Maybe she was the daughter of two-muggle-borns. I'm just saying that maybe her blood status was interpreted differently by Tom Riddle and Hermione. SorenaJ 17:26, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Entirely possible. The point is, we don't have anything solid either way. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:54, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Photo

I think that the photo first shown of Penelope Clearwater is incorrect. In the books, it is said she has dark, curly hair, but in the picture it is blond, short, and straight. And when they mentioned her, she was said to be a prefect, and in the photo she looks much to young to be one. I suggest finding a new one, for this is incorrect information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Proud to be a ravenclaw (talk • contribs).

Film portrayals of characters do not always match how they are described in the books. That does not impact their ability to be used as pictures for our articles. See also Mrs. Cole, Barty Crouch Jr., and Petunia Dursley for a few other examples. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 17:37, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

She is definitely the fourth muggle-born to which Riddle is referring...As the monster was clearly set on Justin Finch-Fletchley, being that he was a muggle-born, Nearly-Headless Nick was clearly just conveniently in the way.