John Dawlish[]
What basis is there for John Dawlish having 5 O.W.L.s in those subjects? --BachLynn23 17:11, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
- "“Don’t be silly, Dawlish,” said Dumbledore kindly. “I’m sure you are an excellent Auror - I seem to remember that you achieved ‘Outstanding’ in all your NEWTs — but if you attempt to — er — bring me in by force, I will have to hurt you.”"
- — Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, chapter 27
And we know he took those subjects as those are the ones required to become an Auror. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 17:24, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Tonks had to have gotten an O on her Potions O.W.L.[]
Isn't it safe to assume that Tonks got an O in O.W.L. Potions, since she is an Auror which requires a Potions O.W.L./N.E.W.T., and Snape only let students who got an O on their O.W.L. Potions exam into his N.E.W.T. Potions class? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AsianAvatar101 (talk • contribs) 17 May 2022, 4:10.
- That depends on two things: (1) Snape was teaching at the time, and (2) he hasn't changed his rule since then. At one point he might have been all, "E students are so frustrating; from now on, I only take O students." OneWeirdDude (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm actually not very certain about this one, as what Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix actually tells us is that five N.E.W.T.s are required for becoming an Auror, and the five courses that McGonagall recommends are the ones listed in the article, but it doesn't actually say that in order to become an Auror, the five N.E.W.T.s required must be the five that McGonagall recommends, with no substitution allowed. I know that further evidence does support Potions being a required subject, such as McGonagall asking Harry in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince if his career choice is still to become an Auror since he doesn't appear to be continuing with Potions, but still, if these five subjects are the ones a student absolutely has to get N.E.W.T.s in with no other possibility, then why would McGonagall use phrases like "I would also advise" in the fifth book, as though the subjects aren't set in stone and the five that she is talking about are only her personal recommendation?
- As for the concerns OneWeirdDude brought up, (1) we know that Snape is teaching Potions throughout Tonks's seven years from Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery; (2) it is not impossible that Snape may have set up his Outstanding-only rule after Tonks left school, but since only seven years passed between Tonks and Harry's N.E.W.T-level lessons admission, the possibility is not too big.
- I agree. I hadn't picked up on it before now, but McGonagall never says they "need" to have grades in these subjects. She's just giving advice to Harry on which five she thinks are the best. It what she thinks he "ought" to take. I think when she asked Harry why he's not in Potions, she wanted to know why he hadn't taken her advice and why he wasn't taking five subjects. It's likely Tonks would have picked Potions at N.E.W.T. level since it's a great course for wannabe Aurors, but it's not absolutely necessary. - Kates39 (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- If Potions wasn't absolutely necessary, then why did Harry think that after getting an E in Potions, his career path as an Auror was over? And why did McGonagall ask Harry if he gave up on the Auror path after noticing he didn't sign up for Potions, if it wasn't absolutely necessary? I know the wording is a little confusing, but the way Harry and McGonagall addressed Potions in regards to being an Auror, it definitely sounded like it was a requirement, not merely an option. Also, Harry qualified for N.E.W.T. Care of Magical Creatures so it wasn't like he lacked a fifth option when he fell short of the (at-the-time) N.E.W.T. Potions requirements. And as for Snape possibly having changed the requirements for his N.E.W.T. class in-between Harry and Tonks's years, I'll give you that, but still I think it's more likely than not that Snape always had the O requirement so it should be noted that Tonks most likely received an O in Potions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AsianAvatar101 (talk • contribs).