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Um.....this hardly pertains to Harry Potter.....--Courage the Cowardly User 06:35, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Does it?

YEs! many thing do not pertain to harrypotter

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Vote to add the deletion tag or not, this is not the actual deletion, just the vote to add the deletion tag or not....--Courage the Cowardly User (talk) 15:38, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

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  1. I don't think it's less relevant than say, Lionfish, which has its own article separate from Lionfish spine. I think it's kind of interesting that there's a possibility, however vague, that Dumbledore could be part Native American. EmmyG 15:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. --L.V.K.T.V.J.Hogwarts(Send an owl!) 15:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

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There are many things on this wiki that are here for the mere sake of them being mentioned. There are many people mentioned on JKR's sight that have their own arrticles.--L.V.K.T.V.J.Hogwarts(Send an owl!) 15:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC) Harry said he thought kendra looked like a native American, a very very small mention, we don't even know if any native Americans were shown in the series.--Wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure. (talk) 19:26, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

In Harry Potter and Me is mentioned a Ravenclaw student with the name Stephen Cornfoot. Cornfoot seems to be a native American name. So I think - when he is british, what is very likely - he must have native American roots. Harry granger 19:37, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

That is speculation--Wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure. (talk) 19:44, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

It is also speculation that Harry Potter thinks Kendra Dumbledore could be a native American because of her looks but that does not make it more improbable. Do you know a "not Red Indian" with the surname Cornfoot?


Regardless of all of this, the term "Native American" is used, in the book, in the context of describing Kendra Dumbledore's looks; since Kendra Dumbledore's article here reflects that fact, it makes sense to have another one explaining what a Native American is. If we have articles explaining what a Budgerigar and Neptune are because they were mentioned, or what a tomato is because Bertie Bott has a tomato flavored bean, I don't really get why this article is a problem. --EmmyG 20:21, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


J.K. Rowling doesn't mention Native Amercans, but she shows them in the Goblit of Fire. In the discription of the black hair American witches who were sitting under the sign 'Salem Insitute' he discribes them as wearing strange clothes, and speaking in unfamiler toungs. Prehapes she was trying to say in the magical world the Americas have kept the customs of their native people, who also have very powerful folklore and belifs in magic.-Leah Walentosky

Terminology

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Coming from the traditional territory of the Mississaugas of Scugog Island First Nation, I've always been taught that the terms "Native"/"Native American"/"Indian" are offensive, and that "First Nations", "Métis" and "Inuit" are preferred.

However, I'm not sure whether the same rules apply in the United States of America or around the world, or indeed whether political correctness would take precedence over canon. As the article on the wiki currently stands, according to what students in Ontario are being taught, we're describing "First Nations".

Is this a universal thing, or is it just a Canadian thing (eh)? And if "FNMI" (First Nations, Métis and Inuit) is accepted globally, does it apply in a canon context? Or does it not really matter? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 23:22, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

"First Nations" is, apparently, only a term used in Canada (I know I've certainly never heard it). Wikipedia, as always having an article on everything, has a whole page on the so-called Native American name controversy. The important thing to take away from the article is that, internationally (and therefore in Britian), the PC term seems to be the cumbersome "indigenous peoples of the Americas". However, Wikipedia also notes that no name is truly acceptable to all "indigenous peoples"; I personally know people who are natives or of native decent who call themselves by the "obsolete" term "Indians".
Therefore, I think the best policy is to stick with the term used in canon. After all, we have plenty of pages at "incorrect" titles but canon names, so I see no need for us to use a PC name over a canon name (so long as we aren't titling this page "redskin" or "Injun" or something in that vein). Per our canon policy, I think the best term to use is American Indian, as Rowling's personal comments take precedence over the books. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 21:02, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think that it depends on the location of the school - which seems to be some where between Quebec and Ottawa near waterways traditionally filled with Elver (giving the school its name). JKR would be more familiar with American terminology than Canadian terminology because Brits get more American news than Canadian news. While the exact location of the school is in dispute, both Canadian and American terminology should be used. Indigenous refers to First Nation, Inuit and Metis and the latter two can be ruled out considering the approximate location. Probably best when one does get an exact location is to refer to the tribe or tribes to which it is their traditional lands, as is the common courtesy as of late. Politicians and protesters seem to be extending that courtesy at the beginning of their speeches as of late.

In the mean time, if one knows any First Nation / Native American mythology involving eels, it would help. (Vaudree (talk) 21:51, February 1, 2016 (UTC))

Most of the Mi'kmaq legends on the kataq or katew (ie Elver or American eel) are on PDF and this netbook doesn't do pdf! (Vaudree (talk) 23:12, February 1, 2016 (UTC))

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