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[[Talk:Mistakes in the Harry Potter books/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
==bookmistakes==
 
   
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== The wings of a car ==
Is it just me, or is this page pretty much a carbon copy of bookmistakes.com? --<span style="border: 2px blue solid; background-color: blue;">[[User:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="red">'''Cubs Fan'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="white"><sup>('''Talk to me)'''</sup></font>]]</span> 23:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 
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Somebody added the "error" that the [[Flying Ford Anglia]], as depicted on the cover of CoS, "doesn't have wings", so the passage stating that its wings were smeared with mud was supposedly wrong. As another editor pointed out, this was nonsense as in fact all cars have wings (British English "wing" being the same as American English "fender"). Unfortunately they did so by adding this information to the article, compounding the false "error" instead of correcting it (what's known on the TV Tripe for Idiots Wiki as "repair, don't respond"). Hence I've removed the passage. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 10:12, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
   
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: There are, however a few examples of "responding" present on the page, so perhaps it's sometimes best to respond with an explanation, to prevent someone else pointing out the "mistake" in the future? '''[[User:RavenclawDBS|<span style="color: crimson; ">RavenclawDBS</span>]] '''<span style="color: teal; ">(</span><span style="color: teal; font-size:xx-small; ">MCKA</span><span style="color: teal; font-size=small; "> DevilboyScooby)</span> 20:53, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
:Hmmm... Suspicious. We should move this to the respective book article. -- <small><span style="border:2px solid #333333;">[[User:Seth Cooper|<font style="color:#333333;">&nbsp;'''Seth Cooper'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#333333;color:white;">&nbsp;'''owl&nbsp;post!'''</font>]]</span></small> 00:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== In order? ==
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== Once again ==
   
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Once again I think it needs to be made clear that this topic is for mistakes made  by the AUTHOR.  Mistakes, incomplete knowledge, or bad choices by the characters are part of the story, and are not mistakes by JKR. [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 15:46, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
Should the book mistakes be rearranged in order of how they happened in the book to make it easier? Just a thought... [[User:GinnyPi|GinnyPi]] 23:27, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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== Error in PS chapter 1 ==
== The Hogwarts' equipment list mentions the Lockhart book "Wanderings With a Werewolf," but later, Lockhart refers to the book as "Weekend With a Werewolf". ==
 
   
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I've spotted two dubious points in the first chapter of [i]Philosopher's Stone[/i], but I'm not sure if either are serious enough to qualify as "mistakes". Professor McGonagall spends the entirety of 1 November 1981 watching the Dursleys. This raises two issues: (1) This day falls within the Hogwarts school year, as the first holiday is not until Christmas. As far as I know, Hogwarts was not closed during the First Wizarding War. So why is McGonagall not teaching, and why does Dumbledore say "I shall see you soon, I expect", as if he does not see her every day at Hogwarts? (2) Why is McGonagall watching the Dursleys at all if she is surprised to learn at the end of the day that Harry is about to be sent to live there? Is that not a bit of a coincidence?
* It's most likely intentional to show how clueless he is about his 'own' work.[[User:ONESHOT|Oneshot]] 19:35, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 
* It is also possible that the title of the book was changed by the editors/publishers from the original manuscript/working title. [[User:Sings-With-Spirits|Sings-With-Spirits]] 16:54, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
* No, I think, like Oneshot said, that this was an intentional mistake by Rowling to show how much of a fraud Lockhard is and how he is completely clueless and knows nothing about "his own work" (as if it was his anyway :P ). <sub>—</sub>[[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]] [[User:Firefox1095|<font face="Vivaldi" size="3" color="Black">&nbsp;Firefox1095&nbsp;</font>]] [[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]]<sub>—</sub> 15:02, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
* I agree. I don't think J.K. Rowling would have made a mistake like that.---CatGlow10585 15:41, July 1, 2014
 
   
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I imagine the first point has several plausible explanations I might be missing: perhaps McGonagall was not teaching at Hogwarts by then, or lessons were cancelled for a week in celebration (although surely at least Heads of House should still be there to watch the children). I don't understand the second point though. Are either of these serious enough contradictions to be included in the list of mistakes?
== Secret Keeper ==
 
   
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: They aren't mistakes! :) 
''When Dobby arrives at Malfoy Manor to help Harry and the others escape, Ron tells him the location of Bill and Fleur's house in Tinworth. But ever since the Death Eaters found out Ron was with Harry, the house has been protected by the Fidelius Charm, and the charm works in a way that a protected location can't be revealed by a third party. Only Bill could have told Dobby where the house is, and that isn't what happened.''
 
   
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: McGonagall was teaching at Hogwarts by then. Since Voldemort was defeated the night before, it was probably a day of celebration and Dumbledore must have permitted her to take leave for the day. She wanted to see whether the Dursleys were suitable to raise Harry. She wasn't surprised by Dumbledore bringing Harry to Privet Drive - she knew what his plans were - but she was surprised to hear Dumbledore still intended to leave Harry there even though she had noticed they were not kind people. She tried to change Dumbledore's mind and she was shocked he wouldn't. I believe what Dumbledore meant by "I shall see you soon, I expect" is that he will be seeing her back at Hogwarts soon - that is where he expects her to be. Hope that helps! --[[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 20:10, 24 September, 2016 (UTC)
There is nothing that indicates that the Fidelius Charm had not been in place long before the Death Eaters found out about Ron. In fact, Ron had visited the Shell cottage before and was almost certainly a Secret Keeper.
 
   
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: There are several possible explanations.  In the Muggle - real - world, it is common for facutly members to be able to take sabbaticals to do research.  For example, at my institution, for every seven years you teach you are allowed to take one year for a sabbatical.  So it is possible that she decided to take a sabbatical that year.  It also is not necessarily true that a teacher has to teach every day of the school week.  In US high schools, teachers usually have free "planning periods" during the day where they can grade papers or work on future lessons.  At Hogwarts, it is possible that teachers have a day or two free from teaching responsibilities to handle their administrative work or to do research.  This is likely to be even more true if she was head of house at the time.  We know the headmaster does not usually teach since there are apparently significant administrative responsibilities he must handle.  So it would not be surprising if a "head of house" was given a day free of teaching responsibilities.  The same for a "head of department" as she apparently was at the time.  All the more so if she was both at the time.  (Even though we run into few professors who are not head of house and/or head of department, the very fact the terms exist suggest that "plain old professors" must exist.) [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 20:12, September 24, 2016 (UTC). 
As such, this is not a mistake and I have removed it.[[User:Sings-With-Spirits|Sings-With-Spirits]] 17:00, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
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== Mistake? ==
Bill has specically said that he was the secret keeper. And it never occured that there was more than one secret keeper for any of the important places mentioned in the books (Harry Potter's parent's house, Sirius Black's house). So it's more likely that Bill's house had not been put on the Fidelius Charm when Ron told Dobby where it was.[[User:Shengtom|Shengtom]] ([[User talk:Shengtom|talk]]) 14:20, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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I don't think the second point under the heading The Boy who Lived makes much sense! Could someone help me out and explain why it is a mistake? We know it took Hagrid a day to get Harry to Little Whinging because McGonagall spent it observing the Dursleys. The Potters died the night before on 31 October, everyone celebrated on 1 November. McGonagall observed the Dursleys for the day on 1 November and then Hagrid took Harry to Little Whinging that night. -- [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 18:59, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
The Weasleys didn't know the Death Eaters found out about Ron traveling with Harry until Dobby showed up with the first group he rescued. The Fidelius Charm was probably not in place before that. [[User:Tjb173|Tjb173]] ([[User talk:Tjb173|talk]]) 17:42, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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: Which BTW means that nice and gentle professors Dumbledore and McGonagall let one year old boy almost 24 hours in dirty nappies and without any food (not mentioning, he let one year old boy overnight outside in the English November)?
==A bunch of these are speculative==
 
A bunch of these "mistakes" are speculative, and should, imo, be removed (eg - Lupin "probably not" able to have taken 7 days worth of Wolfsbane in 1996; the idea that since it wasn't mentioned there were no Quidditch tryouts in Harry's 2nd or 3rd year, etc). They're not technically mistakes as they require us to assume that because something wasn't specifically mentioned, it could not have occurred. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 03:01, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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: [[User:Mcepl|Mcepl]] ([[User talk:Mcepl|talk]]) 09:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
== Omissions ==
 
   
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::I don't understand. I highly doubt McGonagall and Dumbledore left Harry to fend for himself for the day without giving him any food. There are many people who would have cared for him on 1 November. James and Lily die on the night of 31 October. Harry is picked up by Hagrid - we don't know how long he spent with him. McGonagall observes the Dursleys while the Wizarding world celebrates the fall of Voldemort and someone cares for Harry on 1 November. That night, Harry is left on the doorstep of Privet Drive. 
We should also add the books
 
omissions. Omissions are not real mistakes, but it's still a "book-trouble" and that could maybe help. [[User:FrenchPygmyPuff|FrenchPygmyPuff]] 16:38, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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::There is no mistake. Rowling intended that to happen. She wanted McGonagall and Dumbledore to leave Harry on the step on 1 November. It is more a question of McGonagall and Dumbledore's carelessness by just leaving him there!
Yes but here is the part where cinematography kicks in. Trust me, if the films didn't have their own style that is dependent from the books and were copied page by page from the books they wouldn't have been as good as they are now. Books have their own style which makes them awesome in their own way while films have they own style which also makes them awesome in their own way. <sub>—</sub>[[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]] [[User:Firefox1095|<font face="Vivaldi" size="3" color="Black">&nbsp;Firefox1095&nbsp;</font>]] [[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]]<sub>—</sub> 15:06, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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::Thereby, I still think the point should be removed since the page is a list of Rowling's actual mistakes - which I don't see here - not whether you think the actions of her characters were good ones! -- [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 12:05, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
== Quidditch Through the Ages (real) ==
 
   
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:::While I agree that the point is not very clearly made, it's what has been known as the Missing 24 hour problem, which has a long history - JKR herself has answered questions about it. The Alohomora podcast talked again about it recently and The HP Lexicon just updated [https://www.hp-lexicon.org/2017/04/23/29854/ their related essay].
*A discrepancy in the in-universe book is that although Harry had the book in his first year ([http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/1991%E2%80%931992_school_year 1991-1992]), there is an event listed that occurred in [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/1994 1994]. It is, however, possible, that the "real" edition was updated.They should have something about that in the book series.
 
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:::Rather than remove it, more clarity is needed to raise the point how it's implied that Hagrid both got Harry from Godric's Hollow just as the Muggles were beginning to swarm (early morning 1 Nov) but brought him straight away(?) to Privet Drive (near midnight 1 Nov). I'll look for quotes later, but that's the gist of it. Cheers --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 15:35, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
*This book is available in the muggle world ([http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Dumbledore <u>Dumbledore</u>] writes that everything is "fictional"), but [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wizards <u>Wizards</u>] try to stay invisible to [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muggles <u>Muggles</u>] so we can imagine that lot of them are against the idea of this book available in the muggle world but there is nothing about this in the books series. [[User:FrenchPygmyPuff|FrenchPygmyPuff]] 16:47, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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:::: I agree. I will get started on a better explanation. -- [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 17:31, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
==Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (real)==
 
   
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== How can one find dropped Invisibility Cloak? ==
*This book is available in the muggle world ([http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Dumbledore <u>Dumbledore</u>] writes that everything is "fictional"), but [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wizards <u>Wizards</u>] try to stay invisible to [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muggles <u>Muggles</u>] so we can imagine that lot of them are against the idea of this book available in the muggle world but there is nothing about this in the books series.
 
   
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: “I found this at the base of the Whomping Willow,” said Snape, throwing the cloak aside, careful to keep this wand pointing directly at Lupin’s chest. “Very useful, Potter, I thank you. …”
I'm going to go through and delete the ones that assume somthing is a mistake on rowling's part over being fine if interpreted a slightly differant way
 
   
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: —HP & The Prisoner of Azkaban, chap. 19
"In the American paperback on page 461, it states: "It was Moaning Myrtle, who was usually to be heard sobbing in the S-bend of a toilet three floors below." However, in ''Chamber of Secrets'' American paperback page 230, Moaning Myrtle says, "I was just sitting in the U-bend, thinking about death..." meaning that she normally sits in the U-bend, not the S-bend."
 
   
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How can one found the''' invisible''' cloak lying on the ground?
Yes of course because she happened to be sitting there that praticuler time means she must always do so! Honnestly!
 
   
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[[User:Mcepl|Mcepl]] ([[User talk:Mcepl|talk]]) 10:54, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
:To be perfectly honest, I agree with you. As a matter of fact a lot of the "mistakes" here are not really mistakes but are just misinterpretted by the readers such as the one you just mentioned but no one listens....Your delete will most likely get reverted :P. Anyway always remember to leave your signature but pressing on the "signature" button on the top or by typing <nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki> without the quotes. <sub>—</sub>[[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]] [[User:Firefox1095|<font face="Vivaldi" size="3" color="Black">&nbsp;Firefox1095&nbsp;</font>]] [[File:German eagle logo.Png|28px]]<sub>—</sub> 21:00, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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As described in PS and OP, the cloak is not always invisible. It's only invisible when someone wears it.--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 10:56, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
== Chapter 15 of HP3 ==
 
   
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:It's an ''Invisibility'' Cloak, not an "invisible" cloak; it doesn't need to be invisible unless someone is wearing it. IIRC, in ''Philosopher's Stone'' it's decribed as being "silvery" in appearance when not being worn. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 08:20, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
Come on. 200 ''hundred'' Slytherins? That's 20 ''thousand'' people! The books say 200! And ''eight'' dormitories? [[Special:Contributions/180.252.135.95|180.252.135.95]] 03:19, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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== Possible false "plot hole"? ==
:This was presumably an error on the part of someone who intended to write "2 hundred" or "two hundred." I've corrected it. Thanks for pointing it out. <font color="Green">&#x2605;</font> [[User:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="green">S</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">a</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r</font><font face="Times" color="green">s</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font><font face="Times" color="green">u</font><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f</font><font face="Times" color="green">f</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!)</font>]]</sup> 05:20, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 
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{{FantasticBeastsSpoiler}}I've just seen the movie ''[[Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (film)|Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them]]'' (I am housebound, hence don't get to see films until the Blu-Ray comes out), and I'm surprised that so far, nobody on this wiki has raised the point that "if [[Obscurial]]s usually die before they are ten, how is it that [[Harry Potter]] lived for eleven years in the [[Muggle]] world with no ill effects at all?". (This point has been raised on the TV Tripe for Idiots Wiki.) To forestall it, do we need warning comments in the page source, pointing out that the reason Harry didn't become an Obscurial is because the Dursleys simply didn't tell him that he was a wizard (or even that there was such a thing as magic), so Harry didn't need to repress his magic and thus was in no danger? — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 13:53, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
   
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JKR has explained this on her website.
== Maybe not a mistake! ==
 
   
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https://www.jkrowling.com/welcome-to-my-new-website/
The article mentions this "mistake":
 
   
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--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 15:35, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
''When Harry and Hagrid are leaving the little shack out in the middle of the sea, they used the rowboat that the Dursleys' had borrowed in order to leave the rock. This leaves the Dursleys with no way to get back to shore, yet there is no mention of retrieving them, and it is implied Harry goes straight back to Privet Drive after his shopping at Diagon Alley. ''
 
   
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==I made a video for Mistakes of the COS book ==
I don't really think there is a mistake. As stated in the book, the island is within visual range of the coast, and once daylight came, the Dursleys would have been able to wave a blanket or bedsheet from the shack to make known that they're stuck on the island, and someone would have come to take them back with a boat. [[Special:Contributions/91.52.52.188|91.52.52.188]] 14:01, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
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[url]https://youtu.be/EcL5o_wkvAg[/url]
:The above is clearly an instance of the "it's not explicitly stated to have happened, therefore it didn't happen" fallacy, so I removed it. We're not told of the numerous times Harry went to relieve himself either; are we to infer from this that he managed to hold it for seven years? — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 11:08, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
::Additionally, depending on where the "island" is located, it might only be an "island" during high tide, connected to the shore as a peninsula at low tide; they might have just walked back across dry land. --[[User:Sings-With-Spirits|Sings-With-Spirits]] ([[User talk:Sings-With-Spirits|talk]]) 13:54, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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[ I’m huge fan of harry potter and jk rowling ... Watch this video as fun video, not Criticism (but it is … kind of) :) ]
Another bit... "fug" referred to on p38 of HBP as a mistake; clearly not the case and a perfectly legitimate word [[Special:Contributions/Sheriff85|Sheriff85]] 21:39, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone:[url]https://youtu.be/p-s05L08I14[/url] ]{{Unsigned|Payamsalimi|19:59, May 3, 2017 (UTC)}}
== Thestrals ==
 
   
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== Delphi goes to Azkaban ==
Since this has come up a couple of times, simply seeing someone die is not enough to be able to see a thestral. According to JKR:
 
   
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An editor recently added (since, rightly, reverted):
''"That is a really good question, because it enables me to clear up a point. The letters that I’ve had about the Thestrals! Everyone has said to me that Harry saw people die before could see the Thestrals. Just to clear this up once and for all, this was not a mistake. I would be the first to say that I have made mistakes in the books, but this was not a mistake. I really thought this one through. Harry did not see his parents die. He was one year old and in a cot at the time. Although you never see that scene, I wrote it and then cut it. He didn’t see it; he was too young to appreciate it. When you find out about the Thestrals, you find that you can see them only when you really understand death in a broader sense, when you really know what it means."''
 
   
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(JK Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival, 15 August 2004)
 
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*On page 293 where they are telling Delphi that she will be taken back to our time Hermione then says in line eight of that page, "And you'll go to Azkaban. Same as your mother." It is possible for her to go to Azkaban (if it is still in use) but the part of her mother being there is false. Bellatrix Lestrange was killed in the Battle for Hogwarts, so the sentence from Hermione should have been "And you'll go to Azkaban."
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I don't recall if this was before or after Bellatrix was killed (I've only read ''Cursed Child'' once so far), but even if it was after, the figure of speech is still correct. "And you'll go to Azkaban. Same as your mother." is being used to mean "you will go there, just as your mother did", not necessarily "you will go there to join your mother". — [[User:Evilquoll|Evilquoll]] ([[User_talk:Evilquoll|talk]]) 10:37, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Wva|Wva]] 19:58, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Why don't the books from Harry potter and the goblit of fire onwards (up to Harry Potter and the Cursed Child) have the chapter headings like in the books before them? Are peple working on that or is this how the page is going to stay? ==
:Maybe there should be a separate list of "mistakes" that aren't mistakes but misunderstandings on the part of the reader. The Thestrals one is a common one (I've seen it multiple times in various media), but I'm sure there are others.
 
   
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[[User:Audiogamer22|Audiogamer22]] ([[User talk:Audiogamer22|talk]]) 18:00, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
:As well as being asserted that Harry should have seen the Thestrals at the end of GoF, having seen Cedric die (in fact, end of term was only a week or two after Cedric's death so it hadn't sunk in yet), there are also those who claim that Harry saw his parents die (as noted above, he didn't, and even if he did he was too young for it to register) or that Harry saw Professor Quirrell die (I think he was already unconscious by the time that happened). -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 10:37, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
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== Mistakes with Fidelius Charm? ==
==Myrtle's bathroom==
 
   
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I have published what for me are some mistakes in the page but it has been removed and I don't know why.
In the passage: "Hermione says Moaning Myrtle haunts the bathroom on the first floor. However, when Harry sees the writing on the wall outside her bathroom, he is on the second floor. (This, however, is explained by the fact that in the UK, the ground floor is the floor on which the entrances are, and the floor above it is the first floor, and this was one of the few edits made for the North American release, despite the criticism on edits for Philosopher's Stone.)"
 
   
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My point is this: in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Harry, Ron and Hermione went to Grimmauld Place beacuse they thought it was the safer place to be since, among the Death Eaters, only Snape could enter. Why this?
The 'mistake' is only valid for people reading the book in a language other than the language the book was written in. In addition to this, it is not unreasonable for some who was not born in the UK to know (by common general knowledge) that the floors are named differently in different countries, and so it should not be listed as a mistake.
 
   
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*I know that he was good and he didn't want Harry to be killed but why didn't Voldemort ask him to reveal the name of the place since after Dumbledore's death he knew that Snape was a Secret Keeper?
[[User:Bowman Wright|Bowman Wright]] 17:43, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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*And since Harry, Ron and Hermione knew very well how the Charm work why were they sure about the fact that Snape had not revealed it?
== Hogwarts House Quidditch Format ==
 
   
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*Moreover, we know that the secret could be told not only by telling it directly (thing that could have happened despite the Tongue-Tying Curse as we know that Snape later in the book could speak without any problem) but also by writing it on a piece of parchment as Dumbledore did with Harry, so even in the case Mad-Eye's Charm would have been effective Snape could have told Death Eaters and Voldemort how to enter.
This is not really a mistake as such, but the House Quidditch competition format at Hogwarts seems to be that whichever team has the most points at the end of the season wins. This means it is possible for a team to win the Quidditch Cup by losing all their matches, which is strange
 
   
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*Finally, if Voldemort didn't know that the house could be a place for Harry to stay, why did he send so many Death Eaters without giving them a way to enter - that is: make Snape tell them the secret?
[[Special:Contributions/27.32.32.27|27.32.32.27]] 07:45, July 19, 2012 (UTC).Anon Y. Mous
 
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And another doubt is: when Hermione let Yaxley enter in the Fidelius Charm (so telling him the secret) why did she say that he could have let other Death Eaters enter inside the house? For sure she knew that Yaxley was not the Secret Keeper and he couldn't bring anyone inside, so how is it possible that she committed such a big mistake?
   
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Has someone an explanation for these?
:Yes, the Cup is awarded by point totals, not wins, so it would be theoretically possible for a team to lose all 3 of its games and still win the Cup. For example, if a season went like this:
 
:Gryffindor vs. Slytherin: 300 - 310 (S win)
 
:Hufflepuff vs. Ravenclaw: 160 - 150 (H win)
 
:Ravenclaw vs. Slytherin: 160 - 150 (R win)
 
:Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff: 300 - 310 (H win)
 
:Hufflepuff vs. Slytherin: 150 - 160 (S win)
 
:Gryffindor vs. Ravenclaw: 300 - 310 (R win)
 
:At the end of the season, Gryffindor would have 900 points despite losing all 3 of its games, while the other teams would each have 620 points and 2 wins. - [[User:Nick O'Demus|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="FF8000">Nick O'Demus</font>]] 08:09, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Precisely. Don't you think it's a little odd that a team can win the Cup yet lose all its matches? Did Rowling think of this scenario when designing the Cup format? [[Special:Contributions/27.32.32.27|27.32.32.27]] 02:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC) Anon Y. Mous
 
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::::::Also, here's another, more striking scenario.
 
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: A very simple explanation: characters are not omniscient.
   
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: This charm is described as an "immensely complex" bit of magic.  Therefore, there is reason to believe that the vast majority of wizards have never even heard of it, let alone understand the details of how it works.  In addition, since it is apparently incredibly rare, the magical world itself probably hasn't discovered all of the details about the charm.
::::::> Gryffindor vs. Slytherin: 300 - 500 (S win)
 
::::::> Hufflepuff vs. Ravenclaw: 0 - 220 (R win)
 
::::::> Ravenclaw vs. Slytherin: 170 - 0 (R win)
 
::::::> Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff: 300 - 500 (H win)
 
::::::> Hufflepuff vs. Slytherin: 150 - 160 (S win)
 
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: Keep in mind that Dumbledore said of Voldemort, (paraphrased), "What he does not value he makes no effort to understand."  Since this charm is based on friendship and loyalty - things that Voldemort despises - it makes perfect sense that he knows absolutely nothing about this charm.  It also makes sense that the Death Eaters were equally ignorant about the charm.  They didn't know that everyone became "secret-keepers" on Dumbledore's death, and it is certain that Snape never bothered to tell them with this detail.  Voldemort didn't tell Snape to let everyone into the house because Voldemort did not know that Snape became a secret-keeper on Dumbledore's death.
<p style="margin-left: 144px">This is just one of the infinitely many scenarios where a team loses all three of its matches yet wins the Cup. However, this is different to the previous scenario. In ''this ''one, you can clearly see that Ravenclaw looks far and away the best team, and Gryffindor looks like easily the worst team. Here, Gryffindor gets smashed by 200 points in all its games, and Ravenclaw breezes past all its opponents with ease. Yet Gryffindor would still win the Cup with 900 points, and Ravenclaw would only come second with 890 points, despite easily beating all its opponents.</p>
 
   
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: They were certain that Snape had not told the secret to the Death Eaters because the Death Eaters were not waiting for them  in the house.  It became perfectly clear when they saw  all the Death Eaters in the square staring at the house waiting for them to leave.  They wrongly thought that this was because of the "tongue-tying" curse, but the effect was the same.  We also know nothing about the nature of the "tongue-tying" curse; despite its name, it may prevent information from being communicated in any manner.  (Also, remember that according to JKR Snape entered the house BEFORE Mad-Eye created these curses, so we have no idea what effect they might have had on Snape.)
<p style="margin-left: 144px">I conclude that surely Rowling made a mistake when designing the format, as it would be absurd to allow a team to win the Cup yet get smashed in all its matches, like in the scenario above. [[Special:Contributions/27.32.32.27|27.32.32.27]] 02:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC) Anon Y. Mous</p>
 
   
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: It is not clear if the Death Eaters knew the trio was in the house.  It is possible that the "taboo" alerted them to the fact but they could not enter due to the Fidelius Charm.  Or, it is equally possible that they had no idea they were there, but this was one of the locations they were staking out "just in case."  (Remember, in the books Lupin told them they were watching every Order-connected property, and the movie shows Yaxley entering Hermione's old home.)
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: As for Hermione, she likely made a mistake about the effects of bringing Yaxley within the range of the Charm.  Again, characters under extreme stress make mistakes; if they didn't do this the characters would be unrealistic, and there would be no story.  More charitably, it is possible that upon reflection Hermione didn't know for certain what the effects would be, but decided that the RISK of going back to the house or calling Kreacher was too great. [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 04:55, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
It's true, this is a terrible way of handling a sporting tournament. Between this and the completely crazy point allocation (10pts/goal versus 150 per snitch), Quidditch would be unbalanced to the point of being completely unplayable if not for the authorial hand guiding the action to keep games close and interesting. It's worth noting that when real life college kids play Quidditch (by running around with brooms, rather than flying on them), the scoring system and tournament system is radically altered compared to the books.
 
   
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== Ginny's eyes in CS? ==
This is explainable by the fact that JK Rowling has explicitly said that she tweaked some of the rules of Quidditch deliberately to annoy the sport-loving boyfriend with whom she was fighting when she was designed the sport. If it seems like it wouldn't work as a real sport, you're right. It's designed that way. [[User:Iainin|Iainin]] ([[User talk:Iainin|talk]]) 14:07, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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At which point in CS does it describe Ginny's eyes as green? The only time I think her eyes were mentioned is in the Burrow chapter, where they are correctly described as brown.--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 16:58, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
== Descent from Slytherin ==
 
   
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:Even if Ginny's eyes are green in CS, when she is 11, that doesn't preclude their turning brown when she gets past puberty. It often happens that children have a small amount of iris pigment when young, and the true colour develops as they grow older. I saw this happen in a kitten my family had once. — [[User:Evilquoll|evilquoll]] ([[User_talk:Evilquoll|talk]]) 17:23, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
This is one that's been bothering me for some time.
 
   
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::From what I can find, it appears Ginny's eyes might have been described as green in the UK edition, but then changed to brown in the US edition. My US first edition has: ''"Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap."'' Anyone have a UK first edition to check? --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 18:02, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
The Gaunts, and hence Riddle, are supposed to be the last descendents of Salazar Slytherin. But given the large degree of inbreeding in the wizarding world, isn't it far more likely that many, if not most, wizards (especially pure-bloods) are descended from Slytherin?
 
   
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:::Digging a bit deeper, I can confirm that in the US version of the COS audiobook, Ginny is described in this passage as having green eyes, whereas the UK version of the audiobook she is said to have brown eyes. I'll update the article to note this distinction, but if someone has a UK first edition of COS to check, that would be helpful information to know as well. Cheers --[[User:Ironyak1|Ironyak1]] ([[User talk:Ironyak1|talk]]) 18:20, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
In ''Deathly Hallows'' it is revealed that the Gaunts are descended from the oldest Peverell brother, and Harry from the youngest; meaning that Harry is, at least distantly, related to Voldemort. -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 03:31, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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=="Literally" the whole school?==
Yes, Harry is VERY distantly related to Voldemort, but all purebloods are related in some way. (I know Voldemort wasn't a pureblood, but I am reffering to his ancestors).
 
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Which brings me to you first question: yes, I see what you mean, but I believe that the Gaunts are the only family DIRECTLY decended from Slytherin.{{unsigned|CatGlow10585|21:46, July 1, 2014 (UTC)}}
 
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*It also remains unknown how literally the whole of Hogwarts School (thousands of students) could possibly all fit into one crowded second floor corridor which could barely contain the entire school.
 
The point I was making is, if the Gaunts are descended from Slytherin through the Peverells, then the Potters are also descended from Slytherin as they too are direct descendents of the Peverells. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 00:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Not necessarily.  Ordinarily, when one talks about "direct descent", one means "male-line descent."  That is, an unbroken line of "fathers and sons."  That implies that there would also be a consistent last name.  However, we have a change in last name from "Slytherin" to "Peverell" to "Gaunt."  This very strongly implies that a descent from "father to daughter" or "mother to daughter" is also considered "direct descent" in the magical world.  Dumbledore specifically alludes to this when he talks about the descent of the Cloak from Ignotus Peverell to Harry Potter.  Therefore, it is possible that the descent from Slytherin merged into the line of descent from Cadmus Peverell by marriage.  It would not necessarily mean that Salazar Slytherin was an ancestor of the three Peverell brothers. (This would not change the initial issue, in that all English wizards are most likely very distantally related to each other.) [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 15:50, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Suggestion ==
 
 
I think that the page name should be changed to "List of Mistakes '''and continuity errors '''in the Harry Potter books" as the term "continuity errors" better fits some of the points listed, as they are not always completely incorrect ("mistakes") , just JK Rowling's oversight. I wanted to propose the thought rather than change it myself as this is a new account and although I have experience on other wikia's, I am by no means a moderator. [[User:RavenclawDBS|RavenclawDBS]] ([[User talk:RavenclawDBS|talk]]) 16:07, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Cornelius Fudge never checks Harry's memory..?==
 
They call Dumbledore and Harry liars about Voldemort returning, and for some reason no one thinks to check Harry's memory to confirm what he saw that night? {{unsigned|67.244.154.187}}
 
 
:Because, as Slughorn proves in ''Half-Blood Prince'', memories can be tampered with. Either way, Fudge ''didn't'' want to know: Cedric's body, Harry's testimony, and Barty Crouch's confession alone would be proof that Voldemort had returned, but he simply chose to disregard them; he would disregard Harry's memory in the same way. -- <small><span style="border:2px solid #333333;">[[User:Seth Cooper|<font style="color:#333333;">&nbsp;'''Seth Cooper'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#333333;color:white;">&nbsp;'''owl&nbsp;post!'''</font>]]</span></small> 13:21, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Vanishing Cabinet "error" ==
 
 
I've just removed a spurious "mistake" in which Bellatrix Lestrange (correctly) calls Harry a half-blood (inserted by someone who was under the false impression that Harry was pure-blood), which was "corrected" on-page by somebody pointing out Harry's blood status, instead of by removing the spurious "error" as should have been done. (Even if that had been a mistake, it would have been a mistake on Lestrange's part, not JKR's.)
 
 
However, there's another passage which seems dubious to me, which I suspect ought to be removed, but I'm not sure so am posting it here:
 
 
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*In ''Half-Blood Prince'', the Death Eaters enter Hogwarts via the Room of Hidden Things, yet a year later Voldemort is certain that no one else knows of the room's existence.
 
**However, he may have not known that the Vanishing Cabinet was in there, just that it was somewhere inside Hogwarts.
 
**Voldemort's ignorance and arrogance do not make this a mistake.
 
 
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This deletion was done on the grounds of the use of "literally" being "informal". Really? This passage has always struck me as "literally" being used in its original meaning, that of "in actual fact", rather than as a general-purpose intensifier as it is so often used. — [[User:Evilquoll|evilquoll]] ([[User_talk:Evilquoll|talk]]) 09:54, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
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:Because it is not "literally" in its original meaning. The entire school was not there. The students from the classes in that corridor were the only ones there, with certain teachers and Ernie Macmillan showing up. But not the entire school. It was never stated such nor implied. [[User:Murali9395|Murali9395]] ([[User talk:Murali9395|talk]]) 23:01, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
   
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==Memory charms mistake in Deathly Hallows?==
My thoughts on this are as follows:
 
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I've been re-listening to the UK version of the audiobooks lately (by Stephen Fry), I don't have my UK edition book on hand to check.<br />In chapter 6 The Ghoul In Pajamas, Hermione explains to Harry all she's done for their departure: ''"I've also modified my parents memories, so that they're convinced they're really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins..."''.<br />Then in chapter 9 A Place To Hide, when they fight Dolohov and Rowle in the café, Harry decides to wipe their memories, Ron says: ''"but I've never done a memory charm"'' and Hermione says ''"Nor have I, but I know the theory"''.<br />Has she or has she not done a memory charm on her parents? Or was it a different form of spell she cast on them? [[User:Ssephill|Ssephill]] ([[User talk:Ssephill|talk]]) 10:48, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
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:Not a mistake. Hermione did not use a Memory Charm (Obliviate) which erases memories. She used a memory modifier. [[User:MJLogan95|MJLogan95]] ([[User talk:MJLogan95|talk]]) 19:09, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
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:: One would think that a memory modification as complex as she did on her parents would be the next step after learning to simply wipe an event from memory though. [[User:Ssephill|Ssephill]] ([[User talk:Ssephill|talk]]) 15:27, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
   
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== GoF ch17 "mistake" ==
#The Vanishing Cabinet was not in the Room of Hidden Things in Voldemort's time; it was only moved there after Peeves broke it.
 
#Likely none of the Death Eaters informed Voldemort that the Cabinet was in the Room of Hidden Things; they probably assumed that he already knew, and that this sort of thing was too trivial to mention.
 
#As mentioned in the third part of the above section, Voldemort's assumption that he was the only person (at least in his time and afterwards) to find the Room of Hidden Things was probably due to his arrogance blinding him to the fact that finding the Room didn't require very great wizardry. Certainly his arrogance caused him to ignore the evidence of the Room being crammed to the rafters with assorted items, showing that the Room had in fact been discovered hundreds or thousands of times before; he probably assumed that these items were centuries old, or created by the Room itself to indicate that this was a good place to hide stuff.
 
   
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A mistake in Goblet of Fire, Chapter 17, is listed but I don't think it's a mistake at all?
I thus think this is another non-error which should be removed; what does anyone else think? -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 10:40, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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:I am currently re-reading the HP books, this time in the e-book editions, and have just got to the bit of HP2 where Peeves broke the cabinet (at the behest of Nick, as a diversion to stop Filch giving Harry detention). At the time, the Cabinet conveniently happened to be in the classroom directly above Filch's office; reinforcing my impression that it was only moved to the Room of Hidden Things ''when'' it got broken, and ''because'' it got broken. -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 20:26, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
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''Harry is said to be facing competitors who'd had three years more magical education than he had. But Cedric was only two full school years above Harry being 17 years old, so he'd only had two years more magical education than Harry, having been in his 7th and final year of Hogwarts. However, Harry could have simply been referring to their ages and not their exact years of magical knowledge.''
   
::I completely agree, it's not an error. I've already combed through the article and removed a number of non-errors, but if you see anything else that strikes you as a non-error or needs re-writing, feel free to take care of it. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 20:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
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Harry is in his 4th year. Cedric and the other competitors are in their 7th year. This means that Cedric has completed his 4th, 5th and 6th year in addition to Harry's years 1 to 3. [[User:JosineZ|JosineZ]] ([[User talk:JosineZ|talk]]) 20:53, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
   
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== On chapter 11 of Half Blood Prince: ==
::On the subject of "is Harry a half-blood", yes, he is. A wizard is a half-blood if they have a wizard parents and a muggle parent OR if they have a pureblood parent and a muggle-born parent. Thus, Harry is a half-blood. Remember, Dumbledore says that Voldemort didn't choose the pureblood (Neville) "he chose the half-blood, like himself".----CatGlow10585 (talk)
 
   
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On chapter 11 of Half Blood Prince:
::::It's worth noting that Voldemort and Harry are both half-bloods, but are different ''kinds'' of half-bloods, in that Harry had two magic-using parents, one of whom was muggle-born, where as Voldemort's father was a muggle. However, since the term "half-blood" refers to anyone whose pedigree is mixed between wizards and muggles at any point, they are both technically half-bloods, as CatGlow said. [[User:Iainin|Iainin]] ([[User talk:Iainin|talk]]) 14:12, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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the page says it's a mistake that first years were at the try-outs for Harry's team because first years aren't allowed on the team. Hoever, the books don't say that first years cannot join the Quidditch Teams. First years are only forbidden to have their own brooms, meaning that IF they want to join a Quidditch team, they must use school brooms. And Harry was exempt from that rule; Wood stated in the first book that they had to get Harry a decent broom, not one of the school brooms, and McGonagall agreed to try and bend the rules a bit, so that Harry could get a broom.
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Ron, in the first book, says excitedly "First years never get picked for their house teams" and that Harry must be the youngest player in over a century. However, there is no ''rule ''that prohibits first years from joining the team. They just never get chosen, likely because of the crappy brooms.
Well, I've finally cleaned up all of the stuff with the various weak attempts at explanation and natter. I've also removed a lot of things that are nitpicks at best and non-errors at worst. If anyone thinks I've removed something that's really a legitimate error, then it can be restored, but please not if it can be easily explained away. I'm also going to be watching this page closely. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 19:23, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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[[User:CherryDot|CherryDot]] ([[User talk:CherryDot|talk]]) 22:45, July 12, 2020 (UTC)CherryDot
:If you need it then i'll look over it too just to help you as this article is pretty long. But for now I think that you have done a pretty good job. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 19:35, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Film mistakes? ==
::By all means, you're quite welcome to look it over and remove anything else you see if you feel it doesn't belong, or edit it if it can be worded better. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 20:51, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Are we going to create one? Because I just noticed a glaring one in GoF. In the scene where the Champions are selected, Fred (or George.) sits with Harry. But then, Fred AND George sit on the other side of the hall with Ginny and some others. [[User:Pauldarklord|Pauldarklord]] ([[User talk:Pauldarklord|talk]]) 16:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
== What time does the Hogwarts Express arrive? ==
 
   
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: We have pages for each film, and they have sub-sections for film mistakes. I suppose we could put every error on one page together, if you want to set one up and transfer everything to it. If not, you can check if the one you found has been included on the GOF film page and add it if it hasn't. - [[User:Kates39|Kates39]] ([[User talk:Kates39|talk]]) 16:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
I've just checked my eBook copy of ''Philosopher's Stone'' and it says that it was getting dark by the time the Hogwarts Express arrived. Yet the best idea we have of Hogwarts' location is that it's near Dufftown, in Moray; according to Wikipedia that means that it's 430 miles from London, and according to sunrisesunset.com, in Moray on 1 September sunset is 20:11, and civil dusk (which is when it starts to get dark) is at 20:52. Unless the Express is ridiculously slow for a train, or takes an extremely roundabout route, surely the journey doesn't take 10 hours? -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 02:03, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:[http://members.madasafish.com/~cj_whitehound/Fanfic/map_of_Hogwarts/location.htm The Map of Hogwarts location] - "The Hogwarts Express leaves London at 11am (by British Summer Time, presumably, since they are catching the train more-or-less in the Muggle world), heads north and travels until it is almost dark. That's definitely sunset-dark, not just cloud-cover dark, because in CoS they can see stars from the flying Ford, in OotP we are specifically told that it is night when they arrive, and in HBP we see that the sun is setting just before they arrive.
 
   
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== Progressive development of the Universe ==
:Sunset in Britain on 1st September, when the train travels, would be about 7:45pm BST in London, 8:15pm BST in the Highlands, becoming seriously dark about forty-five minutes later. In a mountainous area sunset and darkness will arrive somewhat earlier, because the mountains cut into the path of the sun and interrupt it before it reaches the true horizon, but even so we know the journey takes nine, maybe nine-and-a-half hours." [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 03:06, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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I don't know whether to make this into one mistake (e.g., Dumbledore flying to London on a broom in the first book), but there should be some explanation of the source of many in-universe suspicious things, that is the Progressive development of the Universe. Why did Dumbledore fly to London on a broom in the end of the first book? Would you like to enjoy lovely five and half hour flight (considering the travel speed of a broom 150 km/h and distance around 800 km, which is probably a way optimistic estimate of the speed of broom)? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for him to Apparate, use a Portkey or Floo from his office?
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Outside-of-universe answer is that no other mode of magical transportation have been discovered in books yet. Even humble Floo is from the Second book (when Harry ended up in the Knockturn Alley), not mentioning Portkey from the Third Book (Quidditch World Cup) and Apparition from the sixth book (Harry and Dumbledore travel to visit Slughorn).
About two weeks to a month ago, I removed a supposed error because it was claimed to be "in one of the electronic editions", yet it isn't in my e-book copy, which is of the only official e-book edition (at least in British English). This shortly afterwards got reverted ("pending verification" according to the edit summary) because apparently there's also an American English version available from Pottermore (I know there's also a Japanese version, but I doubt this error is such that the Japanese edition could be the one meant) and this needs to be checked.
 
   
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There are many other such problems which lead to all those conspiracy theories about evil or manipulative Dumbledore. Why there wasn’t the age line in front of the Fluffy’s corridor (it wasn’t “discovered” before the fourth book)? And other ones. [[User:Mcepl|Mcepl]] ([[User talk:Mcepl|talk]]) 13:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I now notice that the deletion has been re-done by an anonymous editor (not me, and to judge from the IP not anyone else on Three UK ether), but they didn't give an edit summary so there's no telling why they did it. Have they purchased the American edition and found that the "error" isn't there either? Or did they re-do the deletion simply because of the vagueness of "one of the electronic editions"? I think we should be told. -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 03:10, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's a good question as to exactly why they deleted it. But even if it turns out that it is an actual error, upon reflection I'm perfectly comfortable with it being removed. I consider this sort of spelling/grammatical mistake error to be a nitpick error and not really a priority to include. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 03:24, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Harry summoning the egg ==
== PS: no error: Supposed location of Little Whinging: ==
 
   
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A mistake has been added to "The egg and the eye chapter" about Harry not summoning the egg. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that it is uwas said in the past that a mistake a character makes is considered a part of the storyline and not a mistake. Harry just did no think of this possibility. Also, didn't Barty pick the Mao up vefore? Based on this, I think it should be removed. What do you think?[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 19:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
'''Supposed location of Little Whinging:'''
 
   
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Also if Harry would have Summoned the Map, wouldn't there be a possibility of others seing the spells effect without the caster?[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 19:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
In the listing of errors for PS is the following entry (in intalics)
 
   
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:Does the book specifically say the contestants didn't think of the possibility? If not, I would say it's a mistake. [[User:MalchonC|MalchonC]] ([[User talk:MalchonC|talk]]) 07:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
''When Harry returns from [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Diagon_Alley Diagon Alley] to [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Whinging Little Whinging], he takes a train from Paddington station. But Little Whinging is in Surrey, south of London, so he should have travelled from Victoria or Waterloo; trains from Paddington head to the west.''
 
   
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I was talking about the mistake described in the "The egg and the eye" section of the article, not the first task. Harry didn't think of using the Summoning Charm when he lost the egg leaving the Prefect's Bathroom and was nearly caught by Filch and Snape. His thoughts are describbed in that scene, so we know Harry didn't think of it (At least if I remenber correctly) and if he wozld have used it, someone could have scene the Map and the egg flying towards the invisible Harry. [[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 07:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I believe this entry can be either deleted, or perhaps better modified to avoid confusion, because I'm sure that many readers wonder about this.
 
   
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:Oh, then probably it isn't a mistake. People get flustered in situations like this, so it's perfectly normal. [[User:MalchonC|MalchonC]] ([[User talk:MalchonC|talk]]) 07:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
It is true that the largest part of Surrey is south of London. HOWEVER, as the hp-lexion explained years ago, this is not necessarily an error in the book PS, if we take into consideration that there is a small part of Surrey to the west of London. So, Privet Drive, Little Whinging can very well be located in the farthest north of Surrey, to the west of Heathrow Airport and to the northwest of Staines.
 
   
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== this mistake ==
The station need not be in the County of Surrey. All that is necessary is it to be the most convenient station for Privet Drive. Harry could have taken the 16.20 train from Paddington towards Reading - direction west - and get off at a station near Little Whinging like for example Langley in Southern Buckinghamshire, and then either walked home or he could have caught a local bus. (Paraphrased from the hp-lexicon).
 
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hermy prob didn’t know about the eu not having customs checks just saying {{unsigned|Ymeijiang|19:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)}}
   
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==Chapter 2: In Memoriam==
Please look at: '''Surrey: Showing the Location of Little Whinging'' '''''
 
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''"It is said that Harry never learned how to repair wounds, but he did learn at least one spell for such a purpose: Episkey"''
   
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Episkey fixed a broken bone, which isn't necessarily a wound. -[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 21:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
[http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-surrey.html Essay on hp-lexicon about Surrey location Privet Drive]
 
   
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:Nevermind. I just re-read the chapter and he used the spell to heal broken lip. -[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 21:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/93.213.20.247|93.213.20.247]] 07:27, October 19, 2012 (UTC) Tonks-is-cool [[Special:Contributions/93.213.20.247|93.213.20.247]] 07:27, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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==Fawkes in the Chamber of Secrets==
:There is one slight problem with your hypothesis; no station on the Reading line, or on any other line from Paddington, is anywhere near even the westernmost part of Surrey. As the essay you linked to points out, even if Little Whinging is in the very north-west of Surrey, there are no statons on the Reading line within one and a half miles of the presumed location of Little Whinging. Besides, the essay linked is not canon; and a further argument in favour of Little Whinging being somewhere on the lines from Victoria or Waterloo (and hence against it being on any line from Paddington) is that in the ''Harry Potter and the Half-Baked Script'' movie, Dumbledore meets Harry at Surbiton station, which is on a line from Waterloo (and which, incidentally, used to be in Surrey, and is just over the border from Surrey, as is Surrey's county town of Kingston-upon-Thames, about a mile away). As Joanne Rowling was a script consultant for all the movies, this can thus be taken as a pretty strong indication that Little Whinging is somewhere near Surbiton, and hence not within 20 miles of anywhere on the Reading line. Thus there is noo need to amend this entry. -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 09:14, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
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''"It is unclear how Fawkes spoke Parseltongue to enter the Chamber of Secrets to intercede Harry"''
 
::Oops; in the above "20" should read "several". I've now made the correction; book canon trumps film canon, but film canon trumps speculation on fanon websites, even respected ones such as the Lexicon. -- [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 18:26, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Troll error==
 
In the interests of not starting an edit war, I will bring this up here instead of merely reverting the edit again. The most recent revision to the page proposes an error in Hermione's declaration of guilt for going after the troll in ''Philosopher's Stone'', stating that it is impossible that Hermione would know defending Harry and Ron was even needed without being present in the Great Hall when Quirrell announced the attack. Now, I personally do not follow the logic in this and had removed it when it was previously added yesterday (you can find my argument for removal in the edit history). However, as my removal of this edit was reverted by an editor who I must in good faith assume that has read my reasoning for removing it and disagreed, I will give this supposed error the benefit of the doubt and ask if others agree with this line of reasoning before potentially removing it again.
 
 
In shorter terms, is [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Mistakes_in_the_Harry_Potter_books?curid=33973&diff=758292&oldid=758131 this] edit describing a valid error, or has the user made an error in logic? -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User_talk:1337star|Drop me a line!]])</sup> 20:45, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:After she comes into the bathroom, furious, McGonagall asks Harry and Ron why they aren't in the dormitory. That, coupled with the fact that none of the teachers seemed surprised to see the troll (they were by far more surprised that it had been defeated by first-years), I think, allowed Hermione to add two and two: she must've figured that the students had been evacuated to their dormitories because, somehow, a troll was on the loose in the Castle. -- <small><span style="border:2px solid #333333;">[[User:Seth Cooper|<font style="color:#333333;">&nbsp;'''Seth Cooper'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#333333;color:white;">&nbsp;'''owl&nbsp;post!'''</font>]]</span></small> 21:19, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Well, I think the question is predicated on the fact of whether or not the other teachers knew that Hermione was in the bathroom the whole time. Her excuse is "I went looking for the troll. I thought I could handle it." If the teachers know that she was locked in the bathroom the whole time, then they shouldn't believe her excuse. But if they don't realise it, then they would be willing to swallow it. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 21:48, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::1337star, thank you for talking to me. Now we are on much more civilized terms. When somebody makes an honest contribution for the public good, you don't just go in and delete just because you might not understand, or you disagree. Hope you are not wreaking havoc on wikipedia. At least give it the benefit of doubt, and communicate with the author. Otherwise you risk coming through as the authoritative policeman of the web.
 
:::Anyway, back to the point I was trying to make. The scene makes sense to the reader only because we know everything that happened: that the troll was announced at the dinner; that Hermione had been in the bathroom the whole time; that the students had been sent to their dormitories and; that the teachers went looking for the troll. Our viewpoint is Harry and Ron's viewpoint. They know all this. Now let's look at what McGonagall knows. She thinks all students are in their dormitories. She hears the commotion, enters the bathroom, and finds the troll plus three students in there. Three students. Why is she angry at Harry and Ron only, and not Hermione? Because it is a girls' bathroom? Maybe. I'm not sure.
 
:::And let's look at Hermione's viewpoint. She had been in the bathroom since before the dinner began. Harry and Ron learned about it when they were going to the dinner. So Hermione could not have possibly known anything about the troll. She's sitting in the bathroom when suddenly a troll comes in. She screams, then Harry and Ron come in and save her. Then the teachers arrive and McGonagall is angry at the boys. WHY? Hermione has no idea how the troll got there or who knew about it. For all she knows it might have been Harry and Ron who let it loose in the first place! She simply does not know. Or it could have been that Harry and Ron had been present with McGonagall in her office when somebody told her that a troll was in the dungeons - McGonagall then would have sent the two boys to their dormitories and gone after the troll with the other teachers; then McGonagall could be angry at the boys, and the two boys only, for not following orders. In which case Hermione would not have learned about the troll until much later. Or it could be that the troll was discovered just minutes earlier. Or there could be several trolls in the castle! And I could go on and on. There are all kinds off possibilities that Hermione could assume, not knowing what took place outside the bathroom.
 
:::But Hermione says this: It is my fault. I went after the troll, I thought I could handle it. And this statement assumes a prior knowledge of what happened at the dinner. Otherwise it just does not make sense. Without that prior knowledge, Hermione could only say something like: "But professor, they saved my life! It is my fault, I should have gone to the dormitory. Harry and Ron came after me and saved my life". Or something like that. But not "I went after the troll, I thought I could handle it".
 
:::I'm sorry, this logic may not make sense to many, but I stand firmly by it. You are welcome to say you don't agree but please don't just wipe out my work without as much as a word.
 
:::And finally, to [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]], I have no problem with the teachers accepting Hermione's excuse. They think she was at the dinner so it all makes perfect sense to them. But we, the readers, know she wasn't there, so this doesn't make sense... to at least one of us.
 
:::Thank you, sorry if I offended anyone. And sorry if I make any formatting mistakes, this is my first time. And probably the last, after this experience.
 
:::[[Special:Contributions/169.157.6.141|169.157.6.141]] 22:49, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
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The above was me, sorry, hard to see if I'm logged in or not... (169.157.6.141)
 
:::[[User:Wiki-VV22|Wiki-VV22]] ([[User talk:Wiki-VV22|talk]]) 22:56, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::In reply to Wiki-VV22... you're forgetting something, or so I believe. Hermione could have lied. She could have just as easily said "I let the troll in for some practise on jinxes and hexes, but lost control of it." I'm not trying to go against anyone, but my belief is that she lied through her teeth. Due to your constant reminders of logic being necessary, I thought I'd point out that if she'd lied it would make sense in every aspect. [[Special:Contributions/99.253.28.178|99.253.28.178]] 23:02, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Slughorn's reference to Ron ==
 
 
This is an easter egg, rather than an error as such, which is why it's on the talk page rather than the article page.
 
 
I'm sure that in ''Half-Blood Prince'', when it's Ron's birthday and he and Harry are in Professor Slughorn's office because Ron accidentally took a love potion, Slughorn (because Ron isn't important to him) addresses Ron as "Rupert" — the name of the actor who played Ron. I thought this was a nice little touch; but in my e-book copy, it appears to have been changed to "Ralph". — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 23:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I think that may already be referenced on Ron's page. Also, I'm not sure, but I think he uses both "Ralph" and "Rupert" at various points in the book. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 23:29, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I've just finished re-reading the books (in the e-book editions), and I'm sure that if Professor Slughorn refers to Ron as "Rupert" anywhere in the e-book edition (the UK version), I would have remembered. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 00:03, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Interesting. Well, I just checked and here's what's present in my copy of the book: Chapter Eighteen - Birthday Surprises - Page 397 - "Well, a very happy birthday, Ralph--" "Ron--" whispered Harry and Chapter Twenty-Two - After the Burial - Page 485 - "I have had it ''all''' tested for poison. ... Had a house-elf taste every bottle after what happened to your poor friend Rupert." [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 00:12, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Some cleanup ==
 
 
I've just done a bit of cleaning up on the article; there were several places where typographic em-dashes (--) were used instead of proper ones (—), and at least three instances of American English; two of "snuck" (according to one online usage guide I've read, even in American English the correct term is "sneaked"; "snuck" is a slang term in American, and doesn't exist at all in British) and one of "gotten" (the latter was a false "correction", made on January 14; the word was already the correct "got", but somebody changed it). There may be other cleaning-up to do. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 14:23, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:By all means. This tends to be a frequent problem page, despite my own efforts to clean it up. [[User:ProfessorTofty|ProfessorTofty]] ([[User talk:ProfessorTofty|talk]]) 17:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Horcrux spell on Nagini==
 
In ''Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince ''Dumbledore supposes that Voldemort made Nagini a Horcrux after killing Franck Bryce. However, the Priori Incantatem during the duel between Harry and Voldemort in Little Hangleton did not create any kind of form about the soul part or Nagini.
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/88.115.198.8|88.115.198.8]] 19:45, March 3, 2013 (UTC)BoT
 
 
== Potion "error" again ==
 
 
Someone has recently (re-)inserted the supposed "error" at the end of CoS, where the Petrification victims are revived with a potion, namely "how is a potion given to a ghost?". To my mind this is not an error; how is a potion given to a Petrified person? Clearly not by them drinking it.
 
 
Hence I've removed it, but I mention it here because it seems to be another non-error which keeps cropping up, like the Thestrals one. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 19:11, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Oops... ==
 
 
A few seconds ago as I type, i removed the DH "error" that "there is no mention of Harry removing his Invisibilitry Cloak, therefore he didn't". I removed this on the grounds of the logic being dubious, but a keyboard malfunction caused it to be published before I'd finished typing the edit summary; which was meant to be "just because something is not mentioned to have happened, it doesn't follow that it didn't happen; if Harry didn't take off the Cloak before raising his arms, it almost certainly fell off when he raised them". — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 23:54, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Yet more nonsense ==
 
 
I've just removed yet another one which claims that "Harry saw Quirrell die, thus should thereafter have been able to see Thestrals" (and replaced it with a pair of comments warning editors not to add this). It is well-known, at least amongst those who paid attention to what they were reading, that Harry was unconscious by the time Voldemort vacated Quirrell, and thus ''didn't'' see the latter die.
 
 
Another (to my mind even sillier) speculation which I also removed was that Molly Weasley may have asked her children where Platform 9&frac34; was "because she has a poor short-term memory for places". Where else in the series is this possibility hinted at? I think the already-given explanation, that she was testing her children on ''their'' memories, is a far more likely one. (And of course the OOU reason is that it allowed JKR to slip in a bit of necessary exposition, and to get Harry and the Weasleys introduced.) — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 14:50, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
hey guys in hbp around pag to  slughorn makes a toast to ron and says rupert i know he spell him wrong but never rupert his real name
 
 
~swati
 
 
jena11:38, March 6, 2014 (UTC)~~
 
 
11:38, March 6, 2014 (UTC)~~
 
:See "Slughorn's reference to Ron" further up this talk page. As already pointed out, Slughorn referring to Ron by his actor's name rather than his own is an Easter Egg, not an error. (In-universe, it's a sign that Slughorn considers Ron insignificant; he can't be bothered to get Ron's name right.) — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 12:51, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Non-error, Occlumency vs. Legilmency ==
 
 
I've just reverted the following:
 
 
<div class="quote" id="olquote" style="border: 1px solid black">In Chapter Eighteen, [[Severus Snape|Snape]] accuses Harry of stealing from his cupboards and threatens to give him [[Veritaserum]] if he doesn't confess. This, however, completely contradicts [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]] where it is stated outright Snape is an [[Occlumens]] and can read minds. Thus, Veritaserum would be unnecessary for Snape to force information out of Harry, specially when Harry was feeling as guilty as he did in that lesson.</div>
 
 
This is fallacious on several points:
 
 
# Occlumency (which indeed is a major skill of Snape's) is the art of ''preventing others'' reading ''your'' mind. Reading ''another person's'' mind is Legilmency, and I don't recall any evidence of this being a particularly major skill of Snape's.
 
# If Snape did obtain evidence through Legilmency, it would be tantamount to hearsay; any Legilmens could ''claim'' to have read something in somebody's mind, knowing that a non-Legilmens couldn't contradict him.
 
# Snape is a bully by inclination; the more physical an act, the more intimidating it is, and thus the more satisfying to the bully.
 
 
[[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 15:13, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Logic versus mistakes ==
 
 
Going through this list, in my opinion a lot of these are not really mistakes, or else go into detail trying to explain it that takes up twice as much space as listing the mistake itself. That isn't even counting all the times people tried to pass off real-life calendars not matching in-universe calendars as mistakes, or things that were rectified in later editions. For example:
 
*Hagrid could have taken 24 hours to fly cross-country in daylight without attracting trouble, after digging Harry out of the rubble and talking to Sirius.
 
*There could have been several parties lined up between where Dumbledore Apparated from and Little Whinging, directly in the way of where he would be Apparating.
 
*Hagrid might have wanted to take Sirius the bike back regardless of Sirius not needing it.
 
*Once the boat hit the shore, the toothless man could easily have brought it back to the Dursleys once Hagrid and Harry had left.
 
*Gringotts is a ''magic bank'', run by wizards and goblins together. Who says they didn't just use some hocus pocus to cool things down the deeper you go?
 
*Rowling has said that one can do magic better with family wands than with a stranger's, and the Weasleys were likely too poor to afford Ron a new wand at the time. The bit about Narcissa could probably be considered a mistake, though.
 
*Hagrid saying Dark wizards only come from Slytherin was almost certainly a hyperbole.
 
*Molly is ''at least'' 41 at the time of chapter 6, according to this wiki's evidence; her memory could have been slipping, or as suggested in the article she could very easily have been checking her childrens' memories.
 
*We don't know if wizard's chess is the same as Muggle chess, and if not then who's to say the knight couldn't move ahead one?
 
*You're talking about a cover using foreshadowing as a mistake here...
 
*It's likely Dumbledore and McGonagall knew that Hagrid was bringing Harry, and thus omitted the potions ingredients from the list, or that they're on a separate sheet of paper Rowling didn't mention for simplicity's sake.
 
*Dumbledore says he ''must have'' crossed paths with her owl; he doesn't know for sure, and is only assuming here.
 
*"''Fantastic Beasts''" is also used for Potions, if my memory serves correct.
 
*Petunia also thought running water would stop wizards contacting her even after seeing Lily cross stepping stones as children. She presumably tried to forget everything about wizardry, and succeeded admirably.
 
*Fixed in later editions, but possibly intentional to show Lockhart's ineptitude.
 
*"Tower" isn't capitalised; it could thus be any tower belonging to a Post Office, and thus should by no means yet be called the same until proven the same.
 
*As explained in the article, this is a language difference, not a mistake, about Myrtle's bathroom and the floor it's on.
 
*Again, as proven in the article, there are a myriad of reasons why Myrtle's parents could be allowed to the school to get her body ... there's no proof they would even be entering the grounds, they could just be right outside the boundary, and if they did enter Dippet could easily loosen security for them for the day.
 
*Harry also manages to unstick his teeth from the treacle toffee when he feels the need to, so why couldn't Fang when he began barking?
 
*Harry is shouting at the snake and they hear hissing; if the Basilisk is at a whisper, ''in the walls'', how is anyone supposed to hear or notice it?
 
*The Slytherins have every right to be wherever they want to be before curfew, so what if they aren't at their dormitory? That doesn't make it a mistake?
 
*The carriage ''looks'' empty, but that doesn't mean it ''is''; they might have forgotten which compartment was theirs and then went looking for it. There's ample reasons for these things, it might not be a mistake.
 
*As stated in the article, anyone asking could be told that it was impossible because of conflicting classes, and not too many people liked Ancient Runes anyways, apparently. This isn't really too much a mistake.
 
*Rowling has already said they never bothered looking in the Gryffindor dormitory, or at their brother very much, they were too busy causing mischief. Not a mistake.
 
*Snape as a substitute teacher doesn't correctly count the number of times Hermione spoke out of turn. Of course this is a mistake in writing.
 
*Perhaps the manager switched places with the assistant, or as suggested in the article the manager may have been assistant to shop owner.
 
*Fred and George could easily have asked for their marks early, or else broken into wherever the records are kept and found out.
 
*How on earth could Mr Weasley have known that his son had been bitten by a poisonous dragon and was not serving detention?
 
*That's a large black dog, not a grey-coloured wolf. It's Sirius in an Animagus form, and he can go out anytime he likes.
 
*Harry is a rule-breaker by nature, and besides, he was saving his godfather from certain death right after being tortured by Dementors, with little time at all. I highly doubt he would be particularly worried about where his legs go.
 
*As three-quarters of the tidbit describes, it's very likely the Gryffindor boy was making a generalised assumption based on past experience and not actually listing the exact type of broom they rode. Likewise, they could have switched broom models between Wood talking to Harry and this boy speaking.
 
*Dumbledore has been working for more than forty years, what are the odds he'll remember one student's age or birthday? And who's to say he isn't talking the way the Ministry would - they surely wouldn't care Hermione's age either?
 
*Voldemort had been planning for Harry to die in the graveyard, so as to have no living witnesses except his Death Eaters.
 
*As described in the article and the books, the Dursleys didn't enforce the "no-names" rule before the second book. Not a mistake.
 
*The Floo Regulation Panel knew the Weasleys would be going to Harry's, knew the fire was still open, and consequently would know it was Mr Weasley, especially since it was such difficult magic that most Ministry witches and wizards couldn't do it.
 
*Indeed, Harry was likely counting circumstances and situations he was cursed, rather than actual number of times. Harry could also have lost count, forgotten a time or simplified.
 
*Snape could easily have been making them feel bad by taking points from the other person's house or could have gotten mixed up.
 
*This was explained on ''[[Pottermore]]'', and is the only mistake I feel comfortable removing: this is the "Tournament that Nobody Remembers".
 
*Hagrid was the gamekeeper's assistant to Ogg.
 
*Robes still have pockets when lying on the ground, he could have had his robes beside him and put the paper in the pocket.
 
*Crouch could have gotten a Time-Turner without public knowledge, could have had extra classes after normal hours, or Crouch Sr. could have been deranged, or classes may not be necessary for OWLs and NEWTs.
 
*It can be said either way, although ''Rennervate'' is correct.
 
*Ron could have been in a second attic, or the Weasleys could have divided the attic into two parts, one for Ron's room and one for the ghoul.
 
*Again, the article explains that this is from Harry's perspective, I doubt he would think "oh, horned toads? They're lizards!".
 
 
I could go through the whole page stating why I think most of these aren't actual mistakes and thus don't belong, but that would be time-consuming and tedious for both the reader and author. Suffice it to say, I wanted to ask first before removing so many tidbits from this extensive article.
 
 
As I said above, though, most of these are people trying to force the real-world and in-universe calendars and specifics together and calling them mistakes on part of the author when they fail to. --[[User:Hunnie Bunn|Hunnie Bunn]] ([[User talk:Hunnie Bunn|talk]]) 19:58, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:I question one of these. Although (in my e-book copy at least) "tower" isn't capitalised, on the other hand (1) neither Royal Mail nor its predecessor the General Post Office (the present and previous owners, respectively, of the registered trademark "Post Office") are/were noted for ownership of towers generally, and (2) more to the point, the book quite definitely says "''the'' Post Office tower", clearly meaning the one near Warren Street Station. Even if there were multiple towers belonging to the GPO, the enormous one in the middle of London is the one known as "''the'' Post Office Tower", in the same way that London has many bridges and towers, but there is only one "London Bridge" and only one "Tower of London". — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 22:28, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::Sorry, I didn't know at the time that there was just one post/mail service in Britain. As far as I know where I live there are a few different ways of mailing things. That, then, certainly does count as a mistake on my part. --[[User:Hunnie Bunn|Hunnie Bunn]] ([[User talk:Hunnie Bunn|talk]]) 22:41, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
I think that all the "mistakes" of the form "event X took place on <day>, <month> 1991 which is listed as a Tuesday; in real life, it was a Sunday" or based on the "wrong" phase of the moon for the date, should be deleted as things which JKR couldn't reasonably have known at the time of writing, and thus nitpicking rather than errors as such. Calculating the weekday for a date is simple, but with only a non-programmable calculator is fiddly, and annoying to do repeatedly; calculating the phase of the moon, or sunrise/sunset times, is not a simple matter and needs a sophisticated programmable calculator at the least. (Although by the time of Deathly Hallows, JKR had lived in both London and Edinburgh, and should have known that during the Northern Hemisphere summer, sunrise is ''earlier'' the further north one goes.) — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 05:36, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
:I don't know if slipups.com is still up (it has certainly long since stopped accepting submissions); but when it accepted submissions, the guidelines as to what would not be accepted as "slipups" included "anything which could not reasonably have been prevented"; so although the reflection of the camera crew in a big window was acceptable as a slipup, the reflection of the camera crew in a doorknob was not (apart from anything else, it would take sharp eyes and use of pause to spot). I don't think any of those "wrong day of week" or "wrong phase of moon" "errors" have been accepted by slipups.com, and I don't think they should be here either. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 23:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
==Hallow - Cloak==
 
 
As Xenophilius Lovegood explains, the invisibility cloak is supposed to protect again small curses.. but in book 6.. malfoy puts a "petrificus totalus" on harry when he is wearing the cloak... again dumbledore does the same at the end of the book at the top of the tower.[[User:Sowmi|Sowmi]] ([[User talk:Sowmi|talk]]) 20:15, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
That is not correct.  Lovegood says 'We are talking about a cloak that gives...constant and impenetrable concealment no matter what spells are cast against it."  He never said that it would form a barrier to any jinxes, hexes, or curses.  Simply that it cannot be made "uninvisible."  Of course there are other spells that can reveal a presence, and other animals have different sensory mechanisms that can sense a presence under the cloak.  However, no spell "can be cast against it" that will enable it to be "seen through."  Harry confirms the fact that the cloak provides no protection when he says to Dumbledore (after his "death") "The Cloak would not have made them curse proof." [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 23:15, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Of more importance, what I say above is not the critical point.  Even is Lovegood thought that the Hallow-Cloak would protect the wearer from jinxes, hexes, and curses, that would not be an error.  Lovegood would simply be wrong.  I thought it was going to rain today.  It didn't.  That doesn't mean the "author" of my life made an error, it was simply that my thinking was wrong.  In the same way, every character in the series - even Dumbledore - was incorrect in their thoughts or beliefs at some point.  This simply shows that they are human.  So if, say, Hermione said in Book Two that one could conjurer food out of thin-air, this would not be an error on the part of JKR.  Instead it would simply mean that Hermione hadn't yet learned everything about magic.
 
 
To summarize, Xenophilius Lovegood never said that the Cloak would protect the wearer from spells.  He said that no spell could cause the cloak to become visible (with human sight.)  However, even if he DID say that the Cloak made the wearer curse-proof, that would not be a mistake by JKR.  It would simply mean that Xenophilius was simply incorrect - as he apparently often was. [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 00:25, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
==Portkey==
 
 
In goblet of fire, the triwizard cup is made a portkey by Barty Crouch Jr. but he musnt have made it a two way portkey, because he wanted harry to die at Voldemort's hands, but then how does Harry get to return to Hogwarts. [[User:Sowmi|Sowmi]] ([[User talk:Sowmi|talk]]) 21:16, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
There is no evidence that he DID NOT intend to make it a "two way" portkey.  Perhaps the plan was for all the death eaters to return via the portkey after Voldemort's rebirth (and Harry's death) so as to "decapitate" the entire magical leadership of Great Britain in one quick stroke.  The shock of Voldemort returning and appearing would likely have been enough to render everyone present defenseless. We never knew what was to happen if everything went according to Voldemort's plan in the graveyard.  [[User:Wva|Wva]] ([[User talk:Wva|talk]]) 01:41, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Hiding place of Gryffindor's Sword ==
 
 
I find this new addition questionable:
 
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*In chaper 15, when Harry and Hermione discuss where Dumbledore could hide the Gryffindor's sword Harry suggests the [[Shrieking Shack]]. Hermione says that it is risky because Snape knows how to get into it and they begin a brief discussion about whether Dumbledore really trusted Snape enough to tell him where he hid the sword. The discussion was actually unnecessary because Dumbledore would never hid the sword in the Shrieking Shack in one simple reason: [[Peter Pettigrew|Wormitail]] knew how to get into it.
 
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Surely the above, if a mistake at all, is a mistake on Harry and Hermione's part, not the author's? If so, then it doesn't belong on the page. — [[User:RobertATfm|RobertATfm]] ([[User_talk:RobertATfm|talk]]) 11:26, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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Harry opened the entrance when he, Ron and Gilderoy entered the pipe. -[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 22:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Grimmauld Place secret keepimg of snape 
 
   
==Plot Holes?==
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==Book 1, Chapter 2==
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Hey everybody! I was reading through this article and came by what I believe to be a mistake, but I wanted to see if I was missing context. The article states: ''"After Harry talks to the snake, Dudley says "You won't believe what this snake is doing", but if Harry had spoken Parseltongue Dudley should have said "You wont believe what Harry is doing."''
This is my first venture in the Wiki world.  Please forgive me for being a neophyte.
 
   
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This doesn't make sense, considering I recall that Dudley was talking about the snake moving around and being close to the glass, not Harry speaking to the snake. Can someone clarify this for me? The next sentence doesn't make sense either. Thanks! <span style="border:1px solid #000000;">[[User:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background: #00B7E0;color:white;">&nbsp;'''Harrypotterexpert101'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background:white;color:#00B7E0 ;">&nbsp;'''Talk&nbsp;'''</font>]] </span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -11px"></span>&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -6px"></span> 19:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
I just got through reading Deathly Hallows.  I have only seen movies 1 and 2 long ago.  I have read books 1, 6 and 7.  Here were the 2 glaring things I noticed about Hallows, which I think might be plot holes.  These were not mentioned in the Wiki article regarding plot holes.  
 
   
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:The editor is suggesting that Dudley should have been more amazed about Harry's ability to speak different language than a snake moving its head. -[[User:RogueOwner|RogueOwner]] ([[User talk:RogueOwner|talk]]) 02:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
In the chapter where Harry, Ron and Hermionie meet Xenophilius Lovegood, in which he reveals the three Deathly Hallows, one, of course, is a somewhat invincible Inivisibility Cloak -- it stays in good shape and NO ONE can see through it.  Harry determined that he, in fanct, had such a cloak, so apparently he had one of the three Hallows (the other two being the Resurrection Stone and the Elder Wand).  OK, then how come, just a few chapters back when H & H met Bathilda Bagshot did Bathilda -- albeit an enchanted dead Bathilda bewitched by Dark Magic -- apparently "see" H&H while they were still under the cloak at Godric's Hollow?  Granted, perhaps Bathilda's enchantment/spell was to just appear whenever anyone approached James and Lily Potter's house, and this would have been perhaps triggered by the magical commemorative plaque appearing to H&H so maybe bewitched Bathilda did not actually "see" H&H, she just assumed that someone was there and beckoned to them.  Maybe she could actually tell if someone was there or not, so it didn't matter that H&H were invisible.   Harry did talk to her under the cloak, asking her if she was Bathilda.  Or was there something related to her dead body being enchanted under some kind of Voldemort spell that somehow did allow her to "see" under the Cloak?  
 
   
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::It looks like the text of the article has been updated since the last time I viewed it. The information added still wouldn't make a lot of sense, considering there is nothing to insinuate that Dudley heard Harry speak parseltongue or talk at all. Remember, Dudley was behind him looking at something else before he ran over. To quote the book:
Griphook and the real Sword of Gryffindore -- When Harry, Ron, Hermionie and Griphook the Goblin were trying to break into Gringotts to get into Bellatrix LeStrange's vault and steal the Quidditch cup (which was another one of the Dark Lord's Horcruxes), when the three were caught by goblin guards and wizards, Griphook took off with the Sword of Gryffindore, called them thieves, and was not heard from again.  Last we knew, Griphook had the real sword.  H,R,H had to resort to other means to destroy the remaining Horcruxes.  
 
   
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::''"The boa constrictor jabbed its tail at the sign again and Harry read on: This specimen was bred in the zoo. “Oh, I see — so you’ve never been to Brazil?” As the snake shook its head, a deafening shout behind Harry made both of them jump. “DUDLEY! MR. DURSLEY! COME AND LOOK AT THIS SNAKE! YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT IT’S DOING!”'').
After the battle of Hogwarts and the death of Voldemort, with no apparent explanation, somehow the Sword of Gryffindore ended up with Neville Longbottom.  Granted, I'm glad Neville somehow got the sword, but there was no explanation of how he got it and what happened to Griphook.  Did Griphook and other goblins join the battle of Hogwarts in the great fight against Voldemort and his forces?  Did Griphook die in said battle and somehow give the Sword back to a Gryffindore house representative, in this case Neville?   Or did Neville somehow take the Sword away from a dead goblin?  To me, this is a serious plot hole, which deserves some explanation.
 
   
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::I see no compelling reason based on the text from the book and [https://youtu.be/0UOn6HhVDAE?t=80 scene in the film] to include the mistake at all. Even if Dudley, Piers, and Uncle Vernon all heard Harry speaking to the snake, the fact that the editor included ''"After Harry talks to the snake, Dudley says "You won't believe what this snake is doing", but if Harry had spoken Parseltongue Dudley '''should''' have been more amazed about that than a snake moving its head, so it seems plausible that his line was intended to be "You wont believe what Harry is doing"'' shows that they personally believe that that '''should''' have been the reason they all ran over, but it clearly wasn't. Seems fairly speculative to me. Any other thoughts? <span style="border:1px solid #000000;">[[User:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background: #00B7E0;color:white;">&nbsp;'''Harrypotterexpert101'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background:white;color:#00B7E0 ;">&nbsp;'''Talk&nbsp;'''</font>]] </span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -11px"></span>&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -6px"></span> 22:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
I apologize if this is too long or in any way inappropriate.  Please forgive me if I have in any way offended the rules and customs of this Talk area. 
 
   
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:::Well first off the fact that this article mentions ''Dudley'' saying "you won't believe what this snake is doing" is wrong in and of itself as that happened in the film, and this article is about book mistakes; that aside, I think I would agree that this event should not be listed as a mistake here; it could very easily be explained as that Piers simply did not hear Harry and the snake talking. Though I don't imagine parseltongue sounds much more to a muggle ear than strange hissing noises anyway. - <span style="border:2px solid #ff0000;">[[User:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#FFff00;color:#ff0000;">&nbsp;'''MrSiriusBlack'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#ff0000;color:#ffff00;">&nbsp;'''Talk'''&nbsp;</font>]]</span> 22:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
[[User:TJJ1|TJJ1]] ([[User talk:TJJ1|talk]]) 04:48, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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Clear to me in both cases that it is not a mistake, neither in the book nor in the film.<br/>
:Welcome to the Wonderful World of Wiki!
 
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In the book, Piers reacts to the snake's change in attitude. <br/>Book excerpt: As the snake shook its head, a deafening scream behind Harry made them both flinch. -Dudley! Mr. Dursley! Come and look at the snake! You won't believe what it does!"<br/>
   
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In the film, Dudley shouts (because Piers is not present): -- Mummy, Dad, you won't believe what this snake is doing -- Dudley also reacts to the snake's change of posture (suddenly moving) and not to Harry's "conversation" with the snake, he didn't notice that at all.
:The Cloak of Invisibility renders the wearer ''invisible'', not inaudible, unscented, or athermal; "Bathilda" was just "Nagini in a Bathilda suit", so Nagini could sense their presence without the need to see them.
 
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[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 11:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
   
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::Due to the discussion on this page and the lack of any objection to doing so, I have gone ahead and removed that article entry. I wanted to get another set of eyes on this because I wasn't confident that I was interpreting it correctly. A big "thank you!" to everyone that contributed. <span style="border:1px solid #000000;">[[User:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background: #00B7E0;color:white;">&nbsp;'''Harrypotterexpert101'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Harrypotterexpert101|<font style="background:white;color:#00B7E0 ;">&nbsp;'''Talk&nbsp;'''</font>]] </span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -11px"></span>&nbsp;<span style="margin-left: -6px"></span> 23:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
:Despite the claims of the Goblins, the Sword of Gryffindor belongs to House Gryffindor and is magically summoned when needed through an enchantment of the Sorting Hat, which was originally enchanted by Godric Gryffindor. Simply put, Neville drew it from the hat, as it was meant to be done.
 
   
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:No worries 👍 - <span style="border:2px solid #ff0000;">[[User:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#FFff00;color:#ff0000;">&nbsp;'''MrSiriusBlack'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:MrSiriusBlack|<font style="background:#ff0000;color:#ffff00;">&nbsp;'''Talk'''&nbsp;</font>]]</span> 15:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
:Of course, when it disappeared from the Goblins' possession, they consider it theft...
 
   
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== Mistake "Chapter 17: The Four Champions" ==
:--[[User:Sings-With-Spirits|Sings-With-Spirits]] ([[User talk:Sings-With-Spirits|talk]]) 21:37, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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''Harry is said to be facing competitors who'd had three years more magical education than he had. But Cedric was only two full school years above Harry, so he'd only had two years' more magical education than Harry. However, Harry could have simply been referring to their ages and not their exact years of magical knowledge.<br/>The book never says that all of Harry's competitors are three years above him: just that Harry would be up against those who are. Given that Cedric Diggory is only two years above Harry, "competitors who'd had three years' more magical education than he had" could be taken to mean Viktor Krum and Fleur Delacour but not Cedric Diggory.''
== Book 5, chapter 22: don't ask why I left the school during the night... ==
 
   
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I cannot find the above statement in this chapter.<br/>
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: in Chapter Twenty-Two Harry has the vision of Arthur being attacked. He and Ronny goes to the Director with McGonagal, and Dumbledore decides to send the Weasleys and Potter to Grimmauld Place. They have to hurry because Umbridge woke up.
 
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Harry's competitors are 3 years older than him (Harry celebrated his 14th birthday on 31/07/1994). <br/>The competitors must be 17 years old to enter the tournament.<br/>In addition, Cedric is 3 years further along in his education. Harry starts 4th grade, Cedric starts 7th (finished 4th, 5th, 6th grade). Cedric was born in September or October 1977. He was not yet allowed to Disapparate for the 1994 Quidditch World Cup, so he took a Portkey with his father (HP 4 Ch. 6). <br/>But he is allowed to take part in the Triwizard Tournament because he has come of age in the meantime.<br/>Where is there a mistake?[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 12:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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:The statement is on page 248. And Cedric was in 6th year, not 7th. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 17:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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::I found it, thanks for the info.[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 10:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
   
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== Mistake "Chapter 11: The Firebold ==
There, the Weasleys learn that they can't go to the hospital to see their father because they don't want the ministry to find that they get information about the attack at the same time the ministry.
 
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Perhaps one should finally accept that almost all the time indications in the books do not correspond to reality.<br/>
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1 November 1981, when the story begins, was a Sunday in reality. In the book "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" it was a Tuesday.<br/>
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Therefore, hardly any of the dates in the books correspond to reality. And I can't call them mistakes. Especially not on which day the moon was full. As long as it is conclusive in the books, the dates should not be called errors and any explanations given.[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 09:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
   
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== Chapter 23: Horcruxes ==
If that is the case, their disapearing from Hogwarts wouldn't create the same suspicions? What Umbridge can infer after knowing Arthur were attacked in the Ministry, and the Weasleys left the school in a hurry, during the night?
 
   
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Where in Book 6 does it say that the old man is [[Frank Bryce]]?<br/>
[[User:CesarAKG|CesarAKG]] ([[User talk:CesarAKG|talk]]) 16:14, November 17, 2015 (UTC)
 
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Dumbledore uses this fact, the death of an old man by Nagini, to imply that Voldemort was considering perhaps creating Nagini as his final Horcrux. <br/>
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Anything else is speculation and not a mistake in the book. [[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 15:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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:Whom else could Dumbledore have been referring to? Bryce was the only old Muggle man whose death at the hands of Voldemort or Nagini Dumbledore could have been aware of. Dumbledore also says there was an 'interval of some years' between the attempted murder of Harry Potter and this murder, which again leads to Bryce being the person referred to. It is also known that this was around the time Bertha Jorkins disappeared, which also leads to Bryce, for no other old Muggle man is ever even suggested to have been killed around this time. Even if it was someone else, how could Dumbledore have known about it? Even he was not aware of Voldemort and Nagini's movements. Either way, this is a mistake. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 17:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
   
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Voldemort killed Bertha Jorkins first before Frank Bryce. With Jorkins' death, Voldemort created his last Horcrux -- Nagini.<br/>
== Sir Cadogan and Sirius Black ==
 
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Why would Dumbledore refer to Bryce if Voldemort had already made Nagini into a Horcrux?<br/>
   
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Voldemort had killed a Muggle vagrant to make Slytherin's medallion and an Albanian peasant for Ravenclaw's diadem into Horcruxes. Dumbledore could also be referring to these two.<br/>
Regarding this recent contribution from [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:Victor_61516 Victor 61516]:
 
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Besides, you yourself write "probably" and "if", "it is possible", so it's all speculation and not a clear mistake.[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 22:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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:"''Voldemort killed Bertha Jorkins first before Frank Bryce. With Jorkins' death, Voldemort created his last Horcrux -- Nagini. Why would Dumbledore refer to Bryce if Voldemort had already made Nagini into a Horcrux?''" Dumbledore did not say that Nagini had already been turned into a Horcrux; he was speculating that this murder (Bryce's) was the one used to do so.
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:"''Voldemort had killed a Muggle vagrant to make Slytherin's medallion and an Albanian peasant for Ravenclaw's diadem into Horcruxes. Dumbledore could also be referring to these two.''" No, because those happened before his attempted murder of Harry Potter. Dumbledore clearly states that this murder happened years after.
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:"''Besides, you yourself write "probably" and "if", "it is possible", so it's all speculation and not a clear mistake.''" Yes, it ''is'' a mistake, unless you or someone else can state whom else he might have canonically been referring to and explain how he could have known. All the signs point to Bryce, and no other old Muggle man is ever even implied to have been killed by Nagini around that time. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 22:41, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
   
<span data-ve-clipboard-key="0.2679924527183175-0" style="font-size:14px;height:1px!important;"> </span><span style="font-size:14px;">Sir Cadogan letting Sirius Black into Gryffindor Tower makes little sense, even if Sirius did have the password. It should be obvious from Sirius's appearance that he is not a student or a staff member, therefore he should not be let in. Sir Cadogan also should have questioned why an unknown man brandishing a long knife is demanding access to the common room in the middle of the night. It also seems a very big security lapse that Sir Cadogan apparently was never told or shown what Sirius Black looked like, since he clearly did not recognize the man as being Sirius.</span>
 
   
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Dumbledore knows that a Muggle named Frank Bryce is missing. Not how he died.
<span style="font-size:14px;">I don't agree. It makes perfect sense considering Sir Cadogan's personality. This makes him far from the ideal candidate for the job, but it is explained that only he was brave enough to take it after the fat lady was attacked. What do the rest of you think?</span>
 
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Harry never told Dumbledore or Sirius about his "dream" of Bryce's murder.
Agreed. Also, a mistake a character makes is not the same as a mistake in the books. I´d remove it.--[[User:Rodolphus|Rodolphus]] ([[User talk:Rodolphus|talk]]) 12:29, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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Only that his scar hurt.
::{{Done}} -- <small><span style="border:2px solid #333333;">[[User:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#FFFFFF;color:#333333;">&nbsp;'''Seth Cooper'''&nbsp;</font>]][[User talk:Seth Cooper|<font style="background:#333333;color:white;">&nbsp;'''owl&nbsp;post!'''</font>]]</span></small> 16:34, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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Harry didn't know that the missing Muggle that Dumbledore reported was Frank Bryce.
== My addition to the GOF section ==
 
   
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Harry didn't say that Bryce came from Voldemort's wand in his report to Dumbledore and Sirius either, only that an old man came from the wand.
I added this addition to the GOF section:
 
*In "The Hungarian Horntail" as Hagrid takes Harry to see the dragons he stops to pick up Madame Maxime, and Harry wonders to himself 'Had Hagrid wanted to show him Madame Maxime? He could see her any old time he wanted...she wasn't exactly hard to miss....'. However, as an ironic reference to her great height, what he should have said is that Madame Maxime isn't exactly ''easy ''to miss.
 
<p style="line-height:inherit;">However my edit was reverted by [http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User:RavenclawDBS RavenclawDBS] because '<span style="font-size:14px;font-style:italic;">Don't think commenting on potential wordplay counts as an inconsistency'. </span></p>
 
   
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Dumbledore had no connection "Harry's old man" was Bryce.
<p style="line-height:inherit;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Let me clarify. Harry is making an ironic comment on Madame Maxime's great height. If he had said she 'wasn't exactly hard to ''find''' '''or '''wasn't exactly'' ''''easy'''' ''to miss''', ''or even'' ''that she was 'rather hard to miss', then this would make sense. However in saying that she '</span><span style="font-size:14px;">wasn't exactly hard to miss', he implies the exact opposite of what he intends, i.e he implies she is exceptionally small rather than tall. It is not a subjective critique of the writing style but a genuine mistake on the part of the author. Are you saying that it may be a play on words? If so, what possible interpretation of it can we form so that it avoids being a mistake?</span></p>
 
   
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Therefore, Dumbledore could still assume that Bryce had been killed by Nagini, and the killing of Bryce gave Voldemort the idea of making Nagini his final Horcrux.[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 13:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
<p style="line-height:inherit;">What do the rest of you think?</p>
 
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:"''Harry never told Dumbledore or Sirius about his "dream" of Bryce's murder.''" Yes, that's part of the mistake; Dumbledore would had to have had knowledge of how he died to make such a statement. There's no reason to assume Nagini ate him (even if she did, that's not what Dumbledore said; he said Nagini killed him, which isn't the case and is therefore another mistake, nor would Dumbledore have had any way of knowing unless Harry told him, which he didn't) just because his body was never found; for all we know (or Dumbledore knew!), Pettigrew could have vanished the body, or transfigured and buried it, like Barty Crouch Junior did with Barty Crouch Senior's body.
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:"''Harry didn't know that the missing Muggle that Dumbledore reported was Frank Bryce.''" Yes he did; Dumbledore told him.
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:"Harry didn't say that Bryce came from Voldemort's wand in his report to Dumbledore and Sirius either, only that an old man came from the wand." Dumbledore would have deduced it was Frank Bryce, but he therefore should have known that he therefore couldn't have been killed by Nagini, which is yet another mistake. Otherwise, how did he know that an old Muggle man had been killed, or that Nagini was in any way involved? (indeed, how did he know Nagini was involved anyway, as Harry never told him about his "dream"?) A mistake either way.
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:"''Therefore, Dumbledore could still assume that Bryce had been killed by Nagini, and the killing of Bryce gave Voldemort the idea of making Nagini his final Horcrux.''" Nagini had already been made into a Horcrux; Bertha Jorkins's death was used. But Dumbledore did not know this, hence his speculation that Bryce's murder was the one used. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 03:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
   
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:OK, I give up. It makes no sense for me to talk past each other.
<p style="line-height:inherit;">[[User:Artistsanomalous|Artistsanomalous]] ([[User talk:Artistsanomalous|talk]]) 20:14, February 7, 2016 (UTC)</p>
 
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In my opinion, the whole article "Mistakes in the Harry Potter books" consists of too many "it's possible", "maybe", "could be" etc. for it to be meaningful anyway.[[User:Ayla|LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla]] ([[User talk:Ayla|talk]]) 11:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
   
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== Chapter 9: The Half-Blood Prince ==
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Is Harry becoming captain over Katie Bell really a mistake? There's nothing to suggest that only students in the latest year amongst the team are eligible for captaincy (it is even noted that this is an assumption, but it's a baseless one if you think about it). Surely, a student's temperament and leadership skills are also taken into consideration; just because a student is in a higher year doesn't mean they'll be a better captain. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 22:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:I agree with its reversion. The statement is the same regardless of whether you use "hard" or "easy." I also believe both phrases are used just as often. So pointing it out as a mistake is incorrect, because it's not wrong.
 
   
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And another thing: Harry joined the team in his first year via special exemption from the first-year rule, which means Katie joined in her second year. Therefore, they'd both have the same amount of experience being on the team, Harry's ban in his fifth year notwithstanding. [[User:AdamPlenty|AdamPlenty]] ([[User talk:AdamPlenty|talk]]) 22:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:He does not imply that she is "exceptionally small," only that her height, whether small or large, is visually noticeable compared to everyone else around him, everyone he's ever met, or at Hogwarts in general. To imply she was "exceptionally small" would mean he should have said something along the lines of "she's quite easy to miss". As her height, in this scenario, compared to other students would be nearly, if not completely, indistinguishable. [[User:EternalLocket|EternalLocket]] ([[User talk:EternalLocket|talk]]) 20:50, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
 

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The wings of a car

Somebody added the "error" that the Flying Ford Anglia, as depicted on the cover of CoS, "doesn't have wings", so the passage stating that its wings were smeared with mud was supposedly wrong. As another editor pointed out, this was nonsense as in fact all cars have wings (British English "wing" being the same as American English "fender"). Unfortunately they did so by adding this information to the article, compounding the false "error" instead of correcting it (what's known on the TV Tripe for Idiots Wiki as "repair, don't respond"). Hence I've removed the passage. — RobertATfm (talk) 10:12, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

There are, however a few examples of "responding" present on the page, so perhaps it's sometimes best to respond with an explanation, to prevent someone else pointing out the "mistake" in the future? RavenclawDBS (MCKA DevilboyScooby) 20:53, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Once again

Once again I think it needs to be made clear that this topic is for mistakes made  by the AUTHOR.  Mistakes, incomplete knowledge, or bad choices by the characters are part of the story, and are not mistakes by JKR. Wva (talk) 15:46, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Error in PS chapter 1

I've spotted two dubious points in the first chapter of [i]Philosopher's Stone[/i], but I'm not sure if either are serious enough to qualify as "mistakes". Professor McGonagall spends the entirety of 1 November 1981 watching the Dursleys. This raises two issues: (1) This day falls within the Hogwarts school year, as the first holiday is not until Christmas. As far as I know, Hogwarts was not closed during the First Wizarding War. So why is McGonagall not teaching, and why does Dumbledore say "I shall see you soon, I expect", as if he does not see her every day at Hogwarts? (2) Why is McGonagall watching the Dursleys at all if she is surprised to learn at the end of the day that Harry is about to be sent to live there? Is that not a bit of a coincidence?

I imagine the first point has several plausible explanations I might be missing: perhaps McGonagall was not teaching at Hogwarts by then, or lessons were cancelled for a week in celebration (although surely at least Heads of House should still be there to watch the children). I don't understand the second point though. Are either of these serious enough contradictions to be included in the list of mistakes?

They aren't mistakes! :) 
McGonagall was teaching at Hogwarts by then. Since Voldemort was defeated the night before, it was probably a day of celebration and Dumbledore must have permitted her to take leave for the day. She wanted to see whether the Dursleys were suitable to raise Harry. She wasn't surprised by Dumbledore bringing Harry to Privet Drive - she knew what his plans were - but she was surprised to hear Dumbledore still intended to leave Harry there even though she had noticed they were not kind people. She tried to change Dumbledore's mind and she was shocked he wouldn't. I believe what Dumbledore meant by "I shall see you soon, I expect" is that he will be seeing her back at Hogwarts soon - that is where he expects her to be. Hope that helps! --Kates39 (talk) 20:10, 24 September, 2016 (UTC)
There are several possible explanations.  In the Muggle - real - world, it is common for facutly members to be able to take sabbaticals to do research.  For example, at my institution, for every seven years you teach you are allowed to take one year for a sabbatical.  So it is possible that she decided to take a sabbatical that year.  It also is not necessarily true that a teacher has to teach every day of the school week.  In US high schools, teachers usually have free "planning periods" during the day where they can grade papers or work on future lessons.  At Hogwarts, it is possible that teachers have a day or two free from teaching responsibilities to handle their administrative work or to do research.  This is likely to be even more true if she was head of house at the time.  We know the headmaster does not usually teach since there are apparently significant administrative responsibilities he must handle.  So it would not be surprising if a "head of house" was given a day free of teaching responsibilities.  The same for a "head of department" as she apparently was at the time.  All the more so if she was both at the time.  (Even though we run into few professors who are not head of house and/or head of department, the very fact the terms exist suggest that "plain old professors" must exist.) Wva (talk) 20:12, September 24, 2016 (UTC). 

Mistake?

I don't think the second point under the heading The Boy who Lived makes much sense! Could someone help me out and explain why it is a mistake? We know it took Hagrid a day to get Harry to Little Whinging because McGonagall spent it observing the Dursleys. The Potters died the night before on 31 October, everyone celebrated on 1 November. McGonagall observed the Dursleys for the day on 1 November and then Hagrid took Harry to Little Whinging that night. -- Kates39 (talk) 18:59, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Which BTW means that nice and gentle professors Dumbledore and McGonagall let one year old boy almost 24 hours in dirty nappies and without any food (not mentioning, he let one year old boy overnight outside in the English November)?
Mcepl (talk) 09:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand. I highly doubt McGonagall and Dumbledore left Harry to fend for himself for the day without giving him any food. There are many people who would have cared for him on 1 November. James and Lily die on the night of 31 October. Harry is picked up by Hagrid - we don't know how long he spent with him. McGonagall observes the Dursleys while the Wizarding world celebrates the fall of Voldemort and someone cares for Harry on 1 November. That night, Harry is left on the doorstep of Privet Drive. 
There is no mistake. Rowling intended that to happen. She wanted McGonagall and Dumbledore to leave Harry on the step on 1 November. It is more a question of McGonagall and Dumbledore's carelessness by just leaving him there!
Thereby, I still think the point should be removed since the page is a list of Rowling's actual mistakes - which I don't see here - not whether you think the actions of her characters were good ones! -- Kates39 (talk) 12:05, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
While I agree that the point is not very clearly made, it's what has been known as the Missing 24 hour problem, which has a long history - JKR herself has answered questions about it. The Alohomora podcast talked again about it recently and The HP Lexicon just updated their related essay.
Rather than remove it, more clarity is needed to raise the point how it's implied that Hagrid both got Harry from Godric's Hollow just as the Muggles were beginning to swarm (early morning 1 Nov) but brought him straight away(?) to Privet Drive (near midnight 1 Nov). I'll look for quotes later, but that's the gist of it. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:35, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
I agree. I will get started on a better explanation. -- Kates39 (talk) 17:31, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

How can one find dropped Invisibility Cloak?

“I found this at the base of the Whomping Willow,” said Snape, throwing the cloak aside, careful to keep this wand pointing directly at Lupin’s chest. “Very useful, Potter, I thank you. …”
—HP & The Prisoner of Azkaban, chap. 19

How can one found the invisible cloak lying on the ground?

Mcepl (talk) 10:54, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

As described in PS and OP, the cloak is not always invisible. It's only invisible when someone wears it.--Rodolphus (talk) 10:56, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

It's an Invisibility Cloak, not an "invisible" cloak; it doesn't need to be invisible unless someone is wearing it. IIRC, in Philosopher's Stone it's decribed as being "silvery" in appearance when not being worn. — RobertATfm (talk) 08:20, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

Possible false "plot hole"?

I've just seen the movie Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (I am housebound, hence don't get to see films until the Blu-Ray comes out), and I'm surprised that so far, nobody on this wiki has raised the point that "if Obscurials usually die before they are ten, how is it that Harry Potter lived for eleven years in the Muggle world with no ill effects at all?". (This point has been raised on the TV Tripe for Idiots Wiki.) To forestall it, do we need warning comments in the page source, pointing out that the reason Harry didn't become an Obscurial is because the Dursleys simply didn't tell him that he was a wizard (or even that there was such a thing as magic), so Harry didn't need to repress his magic and thus was in no danger? — RobertATfm (talk) 13:53, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

JKR has explained this on her website.

https://www.jkrowling.com/welcome-to-my-new-website/

--Rodolphus (talk) 15:35, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I made a video for Mistakes of the COS book 

[url]https://youtu.be/EcL5o_wkvAg[/url]

[ I’m huge fan of harry potter and jk rowling ... Watch this video as fun video, not Criticism (but it is … kind of) :) ]

[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone:[url]https://youtu.be/p-s05L08I14[/url] ]—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Payamsalimi (talkcontribs) 19:59, May 3, 2017 (UTC).

Delphi goes to Azkaban

An editor recently added (since, rightly, reverted):

  • On page 293 where they are telling Delphi that she will be taken back to our time Hermione then says in line eight of that page, "And you'll go to Azkaban. Same as your mother." It is possible for her to go to Azkaban (if it is still in use) but the part of her mother being there is false. Bellatrix Lestrange was killed in the Battle for Hogwarts, so the sentence from Hermione should have been "And you'll go to Azkaban."

I don't recall if this was before or after Bellatrix was killed (I've only read Cursed Child once so far), but even if it was after, the figure of speech is still correct. "And you'll go to Azkaban. Same as your mother." is being used to mean "you will go there, just as your mother did", not necessarily "you will go there to join your mother". — Evilquoll (talk) 10:37, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

Why don't the books from Harry potter and the goblit of fire onwards (up to Harry Potter and the Cursed Child) have the chapter headings like in the books before them? Are peple working on that or is this how the page is going to stay?

Audiogamer22 (talk) 18:00, November 1, 2017 (UTC) 17:55, November 1, 2017 (UTC)Audiogamer22 (talk)

Mistakes with Fidelius Charm?

I have published what for me are some mistakes in the page but it has been removed and I don't know why.

My point is this: in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Harry, Ron and Hermione went to Grimmauld Place beacuse they thought it was the safer place to be since, among the Death Eaters, only Snape could enter. Why this?

  • I know that he was good and he didn't want Harry to be killed but why didn't Voldemort ask him to reveal the name of the place since after Dumbledore's death he knew that Snape was a Secret Keeper?
  • And since Harry, Ron and Hermione knew very well how the Charm work why were they sure about the fact that Snape had not revealed it?
  • Moreover, we know that the secret could be told not only by telling it directly (thing that could have happened despite the Tongue-Tying Curse as we know that Snape later in the book could speak without any problem) but also by writing it on a piece of parchment as Dumbledore did with Harry, so even in the case Mad-Eye's Charm would have been effective Snape could have told Death Eaters and Voldemort how to enter.
  • Finally, if Voldemort didn't know that the house could be a place for Harry to stay, why did he send so many Death Eaters without giving them a way to enter - that is: make Snape tell them the secret?

And another doubt is: when Hermione let Yaxley enter in the Fidelius Charm (so telling him the secret) why did she say that he could have let other Death Eaters enter inside the house? For sure she knew that Yaxley was not the Secret Keeper and he couldn't bring anyone inside, so how is it possible that she committed such a big mistake?

Has someone an explanation for these?

TheHunter94 (talk) 19:04, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

A very simple explanation: characters are not omniscient.
This charm is described as an "immensely complex" bit of magic.  Therefore, there is reason to believe that the vast majority of wizards have never even heard of it, let alone understand the details of how it works.  In addition, since it is apparently incredibly rare, the magical world itself probably hasn't discovered all of the details about the charm.
Keep in mind that Dumbledore said of Voldemort, (paraphrased), "What he does not value he makes no effort to understand."  Since this charm is based on friendship and loyalty - things that Voldemort despises - it makes perfect sense that he knows absolutely nothing about this charm.  It also makes sense that the Death Eaters were equally ignorant about the charm.  They didn't know that everyone became "secret-keepers" on Dumbledore's death, and it is certain that Snape never bothered to tell them with this detail.  Voldemort didn't tell Snape to let everyone into the house because Voldemort did not know that Snape became a secret-keeper on Dumbledore's death.
They were certain that Snape had not told the secret to the Death Eaters because the Death Eaters were not waiting for them  in the house.  It became perfectly clear when they saw  all the Death Eaters in the square staring at the house waiting for them to leave.  They wrongly thought that this was because of the "tongue-tying" curse, but the effect was the same.  We also know nothing about the nature of the "tongue-tying" curse; despite its name, it may prevent information from being communicated in any manner.  (Also, remember that according to JKR Snape entered the house BEFORE Mad-Eye created these curses, so we have no idea what effect they might have had on Snape.)
It is not clear if the Death Eaters knew the trio was in the house.  It is possible that the "taboo" alerted them to the fact but they could not enter due to the Fidelius Charm.  Or, it is equally possible that they had no idea they were there, but this was one of the locations they were staking out "just in case."  (Remember, in the books Lupin told them they were watching every Order-connected property, and the movie shows Yaxley entering Hermione's old home.)
As for Hermione, she likely made a mistake about the effects of bringing Yaxley within the range of the Charm.  Again, characters under extreme stress make mistakes; if they didn't do this the characters would be unrealistic, and there would be no story.  More charitably, it is possible that upon reflection Hermione didn't know for certain what the effects would be, but decided that the RISK of going back to the house or calling Kreacher was too great. Wva (talk) 04:55, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Ginny's eyes in CS?

At which point in CS does it describe Ginny's eyes as green? The only time I think her eyes were mentioned is in the Burrow chapter, where they are correctly described as brown.--Rodolphus (talk) 16:58, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Even if Ginny's eyes are green in CS, when she is 11, that doesn't preclude their turning brown when she gets past puberty. It often happens that children have a small amount of iris pigment when young, and the true colour develops as they grow older. I saw this happen in a kitten my family had once. — evilquoll (talk) 17:23, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
From what I can find, it appears Ginny's eyes might have been described as green in the UK edition, but then changed to brown in the US edition. My US first edition has: "Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap." Anyone have a UK first edition to check? --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:02, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
Digging a bit deeper, I can confirm that in the US version of the COS audiobook, Ginny is described in this passage as having green eyes, whereas the UK version of the audiobook she is said to have brown eyes. I'll update the article to note this distinction, but if someone has a UK first edition of COS to check, that would be helpful information to know as well. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:20, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

"Literally" the whole school?

The following passage was yesterday deleted:

  • It also remains unknown how literally the whole of Hogwarts School (thousands of students) could possibly all fit into one crowded second floor corridor which could barely contain the entire school.

This deletion was done on the grounds of the use of "literally" being "informal". Really? This passage has always struck me as "literally" being used in its original meaning, that of "in actual fact", rather than as a general-purpose intensifier as it is so often used. — evilquoll (talk) 09:54, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

Because it is not "literally" in its original meaning. The entire school was not there. The students from the classes in that corridor were the only ones there, with certain teachers and Ernie Macmillan showing up. But not the entire school. It was never stated such nor implied. Murali9395 (talk) 23:01, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Memory charms mistake in Deathly Hallows?

I've been re-listening to the UK version of the audiobooks lately (by Stephen Fry), I don't have my UK edition book on hand to check.
In chapter 6 The Ghoul In Pajamas, Hermione explains to Harry all she's done for their departure: "I've also modified my parents memories, so that they're convinced they're really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins...".
Then in chapter 9 A Place To Hide, when they fight Dolohov and Rowle in the café, Harry decides to wipe their memories, Ron says: "but I've never done a memory charm" and Hermione says "Nor have I, but I know the theory".
Has she or has she not done a memory charm on her parents? Or was it a different form of spell she cast on them? Ssephill (talk) 10:48, October 18, 2018 (UTC)

Not a mistake. Hermione did not use a Memory Charm (Obliviate) which erases memories. She used a memory modifier. MJLogan95 (talk) 19:09, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
One would think that a memory modification as complex as she did on her parents would be the next step after learning to simply wipe an event from memory though. Ssephill (talk) 15:27, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

GoF ch17 "mistake"

A mistake in Goblet of Fire, Chapter 17, is listed but I don't think it's a mistake at all?

Harry is said to be facing competitors who'd had three years more magical education than he had. But Cedric was only two full school years above Harry being 17 years old, so he'd only had two years more magical education than Harry, having been in his 7th and final year of Hogwarts. However, Harry could have simply been referring to their ages and not their exact years of magical knowledge.

Harry is in his 4th year. Cedric and the other competitors are in their 7th year. This means that Cedric has completed his 4th, 5th and 6th year in addition to Harry's years 1 to 3. JosineZ (talk) 20:53, April 7, 2020 (UTC)

On chapter 11 of Half Blood Prince:

On chapter 11 of Half Blood Prince:

the page says it's a mistake that first years were at the try-outs for Harry's team because first years aren't allowed on the team. Hoever, the books don't say that first years cannot join the Quidditch Teams. First years are only forbidden to have their own brooms, meaning that IF they want to join a Quidditch team, they must use school brooms. And Harry was exempt from that rule; Wood stated in the first book that they had to get Harry a decent broom, not one of the school brooms, and McGonagall agreed to try and bend the rules a bit, so that Harry could get a broom.

Ron, in the first book, says excitedly "First years never get picked for their house teams" and that Harry must be the youngest player in over a century. However, there is no rule that prohibits first years from joining the team. They just never get chosen, likely because of the crappy brooms.

CherryDot (talk) 22:45, July 12, 2020 (UTC)CherryDot

Film mistakes?

Are we going to create one? Because I just noticed a glaring one in GoF. In the scene where the Champions are selected, Fred (or George.) sits with Harry. But then, Fred AND George sit on the other side of the hall with Ginny and some others. Pauldarklord (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

We have pages for each film, and they have sub-sections for film mistakes. I suppose we could put every error on one page together, if you want to set one up and transfer everything to it. If not, you can check if the one you found has been included on the GOF film page and add it if it hasn't. - Kates39 (talk) 16:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Progressive development of the Universe

I don't know whether to make this into one mistake (e.g., Dumbledore flying to London on a broom in the first book), but there should be some explanation of the source of many in-universe suspicious things, that is the Progressive development of the Universe. Why did Dumbledore fly to London on a broom in the end of the first book? Would you like to enjoy lovely five and half hour flight (considering the travel speed of a broom 150 km/h and distance around 800 km, which is probably a way optimistic estimate of the speed of broom)? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for him to Apparate, use a Portkey or Floo from his office?

Outside-of-universe answer is that no other mode of magical transportation have been discovered in books yet. Even humble Floo is from the Second book (when Harry ended up in the Knockturn Alley), not mentioning Portkey from the Third Book (Quidditch World Cup) and Apparition from the sixth book (Harry and Dumbledore travel to visit Slughorn).

There are many other such problems which lead to all those conspiracy theories about evil or manipulative Dumbledore. Why there wasn’t the age line in front of the Fluffy’s corridor (it wasn’t “discovered” before the fourth book)? And other ones. Mcepl (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Harry summoning the egg

A mistake has been added to "The egg and the eye chapter" about Harry not summoning the egg. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that it is uwas said in the past that a mistake a character makes is considered a part of the storyline and not a mistake. Harry just did no think of this possibility. Also, didn't Barty pick the Mao up vefore? Based on this, I think it should be removed. What do you think?Rodolphus (talk) 19:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Also if Harry would have Summoned the Map, wouldn't there be a possibility of others seing the spells effect without the caster?Rodolphus (talk) 19:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Does the book specifically say the contestants didn't think of the possibility? If not, I would say it's a mistake. MalchonC (talk) 07:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I was talking about the mistake described in the "The egg and the eye" section of the article, not the first task. Harry didn't think of using the Summoning Charm when he lost the egg leaving the Prefect's Bathroom and was nearly caught by Filch and Snape. His thoughts are describbed in that scene, so we know Harry didn't think of it (At least if I remenber correctly) and if he wozld have used it, someone could have scene the Map and the egg flying towards the invisible Harry. Rodolphus (talk) 07:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, then probably it isn't a mistake. People get flustered in situations like this, so it's perfectly normal. MalchonC (talk) 07:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

this mistake

owl post . No. 3 hermy prob didn’t know about the eu not having customs checks just saying —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ymeijiang (talkcontribs) 19:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC).

Chapter 2: In Memoriam

"It is said that Harry never learned how to repair wounds, but he did learn at least one spell for such a purpose: Episkey"

Episkey fixed a broken bone, which isn't necessarily a wound. -RogueOwner (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind. I just re-read the chapter and he used the spell to heal broken lip. -RogueOwner (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Fawkes in the Chamber of Secrets

"It is unclear how Fawkes spoke Parseltongue to enter the Chamber of Secrets to intercede Harry"

Harry opened the entrance when he, Ron and Gilderoy entered the pipe. -RogueOwner (talk) 22:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Book 1, Chapter 2

Hey everybody! I was reading through this article and came by what I believe to be a mistake, but I wanted to see if I was missing context. The article states: "After Harry talks to the snake, Dudley says "You won't believe what this snake is doing", but if Harry had spoken Parseltongue Dudley should have said "You wont believe what Harry is doing."

This doesn't make sense, considering I recall that Dudley was talking about the snake moving around and being close to the glass, not Harry speaking to the snake. Can someone clarify this for me? The next sentence doesn't make sense either. Thanks!  Harrypotterexpert101  Talk       19:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

The editor is suggesting that Dudley should have been more amazed about Harry's ability to speak different language than a snake moving its head. -RogueOwner (talk) 02:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
It looks like the text of the article has been updated since the last time I viewed it. The information added still wouldn't make a lot of sense, considering there is nothing to insinuate that Dudley heard Harry speak parseltongue or talk at all. Remember, Dudley was behind him looking at something else before he ran over. To quote the book:
"The boa constrictor jabbed its tail at the sign again and Harry read on: This specimen was bred in the zoo. “Oh, I see — so you’ve never been to Brazil?” As the snake shook its head, a deafening shout behind Harry made both of them jump. “DUDLEY! MR. DURSLEY! COME AND LOOK AT THIS SNAKE! YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT IT’S DOING!”).
I see no compelling reason based on the text from the book and scene in the film to include the mistake at all. Even if Dudley, Piers, and Uncle Vernon all heard Harry speaking to the snake, the fact that the editor included "After Harry talks to the snake, Dudley says "You won't believe what this snake is doing", but if Harry had spoken Parseltongue Dudley should have been more amazed about that than a snake moving its head, so it seems plausible that his line was intended to be "You wont believe what Harry is doing" shows that they personally believe that that should have been the reason they all ran over, but it clearly wasn't. Seems fairly speculative to me. Any other thoughts?  Harrypotterexpert101  Talk       22:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Well first off the fact that this article mentions Dudley saying "you won't believe what this snake is doing" is wrong in and of itself as that happened in the film, and this article is about book mistakes; that aside, I think I would agree that this event should not be listed as a mistake here; it could very easily be explained as that Piers simply did not hear Harry and the snake talking. Though I don't imagine parseltongue sounds much more to a muggle ear than strange hissing noises anyway. -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  22:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Clear to me in both cases that it is not a mistake, neither in the book nor in the film.
In the book, Piers reacts to the snake's change in attitude.
Book excerpt: As the snake shook its head, a deafening scream behind Harry made them both flinch. -Dudley! Mr. Dursley! Come and look at the snake! You won't believe what it does!"

In the film, Dudley shouts (because Piers is not present): -- Mummy, Dad, you won't believe what this snake is doing -- Dudley also reacts to the snake's change of posture (suddenly moving) and not to Harry's "conversation" with the snake, he didn't notice that at all. LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 11:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Due to the discussion on this page and the lack of any objection to doing so, I have gone ahead and removed that article entry. I wanted to get another set of eyes on this because I wasn't confident that I was interpreting it correctly. A big "thank you!" to everyone that contributed.  Harrypotterexpert101  Talk       23:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
No worries 👍 -  MrSiriusBlack  Talk  15:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Mistake "Chapter 17: The Four Champions"

Harry is said to be facing competitors who'd had three years more magical education than he had. But Cedric was only two full school years above Harry, so he'd only had two years' more magical education than Harry. However, Harry could have simply been referring to their ages and not their exact years of magical knowledge.
The book never says that all of Harry's competitors are three years above him: just that Harry would be up against those who are. Given that Cedric Diggory is only two years above Harry, "competitors who'd had three years' more magical education than he had" could be taken to mean Viktor Krum and Fleur Delacour but not Cedric Diggory.

I cannot find the above statement in this chapter.
Harry's competitors are 3 years older than him (Harry celebrated his 14th birthday on 31/07/1994).
The competitors must be 17 years old to enter the tournament.
In addition, Cedric is 3 years further along in his education. Harry starts 4th grade, Cedric starts 7th (finished 4th, 5th, 6th grade). Cedric was born in September or October 1977. He was not yet allowed to Disapparate for the 1994 Quidditch World Cup, so he took a Portkey with his father (HP 4 Ch. 6).
But he is allowed to take part in the Triwizard Tournament because he has come of age in the meantime.
Where is there a mistake?LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

The statement is on page 248. And Cedric was in 6th year, not 7th. AdamPlenty (talk) 17:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I found it, thanks for the info.LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 10:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Mistake "Chapter 11: The Firebold

Perhaps one should finally accept that almost all the time indications in the books do not correspond to reality.
1 November 1981, when the story begins, was a Sunday in reality. In the book "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" it was a Tuesday.
Therefore, hardly any of the dates in the books correspond to reality. And I can't call them mistakes. Especially not on which day the moon was full. As long as it is conclusive in the books, the dates should not be called errors and any explanations given.LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 09:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Chapter 23: Horcruxes

Where in Book 6 does it say that the old man is Frank Bryce?
Dumbledore uses this fact, the death of an old man by Nagini, to imply that Voldemort was considering perhaps creating Nagini as his final Horcrux.
Anything else is speculation and not a mistake in the book. LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 15:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Whom else could Dumbledore have been referring to? Bryce was the only old Muggle man whose death at the hands of Voldemort or Nagini Dumbledore could have been aware of. Dumbledore also says there was an 'interval of some years' between the attempted murder of Harry Potter and this murder, which again leads to Bryce being the person referred to. It is also known that this was around the time Bertha Jorkins disappeared, which also leads to Bryce, for no other old Muggle man is ever even suggested to have been killed around this time. Even if it was someone else, how could Dumbledore have known about it? Even he was not aware of Voldemort and Nagini's movements. Either way, this is a mistake. AdamPlenty (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Voldemort killed Bertha Jorkins first before Frank Bryce. With Jorkins' death, Voldemort created his last Horcrux -- Nagini.
Why would Dumbledore refer to Bryce if Voldemort had already made Nagini into a Horcrux?

Voldemort had killed a Muggle vagrant to make Slytherin's medallion and an Albanian peasant for Ravenclaw's diadem into Horcruxes. Dumbledore could also be referring to these two.
Besides, you yourself write "probably" and "if", "it is possible", so it's all speculation and not a clear mistake.LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

"Voldemort killed Bertha Jorkins first before Frank Bryce. With Jorkins' death, Voldemort created his last Horcrux -- Nagini. Why would Dumbledore refer to Bryce if Voldemort had already made Nagini into a Horcrux?" Dumbledore did not say that Nagini had already been turned into a Horcrux; he was speculating that this murder (Bryce's) was the one used to do so.
"Voldemort had killed a Muggle vagrant to make Slytherin's medallion and an Albanian peasant for Ravenclaw's diadem into Horcruxes. Dumbledore could also be referring to these two." No, because those happened before his attempted murder of Harry Potter. Dumbledore clearly states that this murder happened years after.
"Besides, you yourself write "probably" and "if", "it is possible", so it's all speculation and not a clear mistake." Yes, it is a mistake, unless you or someone else can state whom else he might have canonically been referring to and explain how he could have known. All the signs point to Bryce, and no other old Muggle man is ever even implied to have been killed by Nagini around that time. AdamPlenty (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


Dumbledore knows that a Muggle named Frank Bryce is missing. Not how he died. He assumes that the Muggle was eaten by Nagini because his body was not found.

Harry never told Dumbledore or Sirius about his "dream" of Bryce's murder.

Only that his scar hurt.

Harry didn't know that the missing Muggle that Dumbledore reported was Frank Bryce.

Harry didn't say that Bryce came from Voldemort's wand in his report to Dumbledore and Sirius either, only that an old man came from the wand.

Dumbledore had no connection "Harry's old man" was Bryce.

Therefore, Dumbledore could still assume that Bryce had been killed by Nagini, and the killing of Bryce gave Voldemort the idea of making Nagini his final Horcrux.LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

"Harry never told Dumbledore or Sirius about his "dream" of Bryce's murder." Yes, that's part of the mistake; Dumbledore would had to have had knowledge of how he died to make such a statement. There's no reason to assume Nagini ate him (even if she did, that's not what Dumbledore said; he said Nagini killed him, which isn't the case and is therefore another mistake, nor would Dumbledore have had any way of knowing unless Harry told him, which he didn't) just because his body was never found; for all we know (or Dumbledore knew!), Pettigrew could have vanished the body, or transfigured and buried it, like Barty Crouch Junior did with Barty Crouch Senior's body.
"Harry didn't know that the missing Muggle that Dumbledore reported was Frank Bryce." Yes he did; Dumbledore told him.
"Harry didn't say that Bryce came from Voldemort's wand in his report to Dumbledore and Sirius either, only that an old man came from the wand." Dumbledore would have deduced it was Frank Bryce, but he therefore should have known that he therefore couldn't have been killed by Nagini, which is yet another mistake. Otherwise, how did he know that an old Muggle man had been killed, or that Nagini was in any way involved? (indeed, how did he know Nagini was involved anyway, as Harry never told him about his "dream"?) A mistake either way.
"Therefore, Dumbledore could still assume that Bryce had been killed by Nagini, and the killing of Bryce gave Voldemort the idea of making Nagini his final Horcrux." Nagini had already been made into a Horcrux; Bertha Jorkins's death was used. But Dumbledore did not know this, hence his speculation that Bryce's murder was the one used. AdamPlenty (talk) 03:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
OK, I give up. It makes no sense for me to talk past each other.

In my opinion, the whole article "Mistakes in the Harry Potter books" consists of too many "it's possible", "maybe", "could be" etc. for it to be meaningful anyway.LG♥ Hauselfe Ayla (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Chapter 9: The Half-Blood Prince

Is Harry becoming captain over Katie Bell really a mistake? There's nothing to suggest that only students in the latest year amongst the team are eligible for captaincy (it is even noted that this is an assumption, but it's a baseless one if you think about it). Surely, a student's temperament and leadership skills are also taken into consideration; just because a student is in a higher year doesn't mean they'll be a better captain. AdamPlenty (talk) 22:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

And another thing: Harry joined the team in his first year via special exemption from the first-year rule, which means Katie joined in her second year. Therefore, they'd both have the same amount of experience being on the team, Harry's ban in his fifth year notwithstanding. AdamPlenty (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)