Talk:Minister for Magic

For VS Of

1. I think every instance of minister of magic should be changed to minister for magic because the british versions of the book are the original version and anything in it thats different from the usa books should be considered canon over the usa versions. Me_Potter_Fan 09:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The British spellings do overrule the American ones, and we try to change them, but we don't catch them all. Minister of Magic will always be written - we just need to be vigilant and change it when it occurs. Just to let you know, tho - there is at least one instance where the British version says Minister of Magic, although it is Ron saying it so he could be wrong. I'm English myself, and even I miss them. - Cavalier One 10:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, this is one of my pet peeves, but I didn't know that the U.S.A versions said anything different (I am also English). I suppose theres not a lot that can be done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snoops619 (talk • contribs).

There are several changes between the American and British version as far as I know, little things like changing car park to parking lot, or crumpets to English muffins. Of course, the biggest change is that the Philosopher's Stone is known as the Sorceror's Stone. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 18:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

That really is annoying. I really feel it should be Philosopher's stone for both book versions. Mafalda Hopkirk 19:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there a real difference between the meanings of "Minister for Magic" and "Minister of Magic"? (Andre G. Dias (talk) 18:25, January 18, 2014 (Brazil))

The difference is a relatively minor one, but in such a context 'for' emphasises the Minister's responsibility with regard to his field, 'of' speaks a little more to the delineation and nature of the field. {{SUBST:User:Jiskran/Signature}} 22:01, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! (Andre G. Dias (talk) 19:59, January 24, 2014 (Brazil))

Redirect?

Question - What about combining the page for Ministry and Minister? What further info can be put on this page that isn't already on the Ministry page? Or is that not a problem? Mafalda Hopkirk 22:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I think they're probably best left seperate. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 23:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the tables that list the Ministers throughout history should be identical? Mafalda Hopkirk 23:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Rectification Please

Hi, I am new to editing wiki and I have been running into some problem - especially the codes since I am not familiar with them yet. Any kind souls please help to revert my mistakes. Thanks!

EDIT: I think I managed to replaced the necessary links, but correct me if I am wrong.

Wheezyy 16:45, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Selection

While re-reading Order of the Phoenix, I found that in the Quibbler article about Fudge and the Gringotts goblins, it says "...when [Fudge] was elected Minister for Magic five years ago..." Considering the Quibbler is a tabloid, should it be considered canon that the Minister is elected? --Cubs Fan ^{(Talk to me)}

Definitely cannon, but the question remains of who elected him, whether or not it was a general election among all 17 + wizards/witches, or if it was some sort of governing body within the Ministry, like the Wizengamot, I know in the first book Hagrid tells Harry about Magic, he mentions that they wanted Albus Dumbledore to be Minister of Magic, but he turned it down to stay at Hogwarts and so Cornelius got the job instead. --BachLynn^(Accio!) 12:17, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Chief of the Wizards' Council was also elected, although by a select few, according to Modesty Rabnott ("And I'll tell you this, Pru, Chief Bragge would have lost my vote if I'd had one."), so it seems only likely the Ministry followed the same selection proceedure. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 13:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

From the new Pottermore information on the Malfoys, it seems like the Minister for Magic is indeed an elected position. After discussing why the Malfoys have never sought to become Minister themselves, Jo says, "They have helped finance many of their preferred candidates' election campaigns..." So the question remains who elects the Minister? Is it the general wizarding population? The Wizengamot?Apwbd150 (talk) 22:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Referring to the British Minister

This page is referring to the British Minister of Magic but don't you think that would be wrong as in the Goblet of Fire, there was a Bulgarian Minister of Magic aswell and on the Muggle Page, it says that there is a Ministry for all nations. Now, this Wiki does say it on other pages and I'd like to change it but it said somewhere that you need to discuss major changes to a page on its talk page. Thanks, Head.Boy.Hog (Talk To Me) 00:43, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Kind of agreed, though unsure if a] the other Ministers for Magic have enough to form its own page; if yes, another question is that, b] is British the only one that has their Minister called "Ministers for Magic"? If also yes, then perhaps Minister of Magic can be freed from its redirect status and use a general page for Minister of Magic of other countries. If no, and a] is still true, I think then this page should probably be renamed as "British Minister for Magic", like how Ministry of Magic was moved to British Ministry of Magic back in 2009.

As mentioned above, there's Oblansk for Bulgaria, and I just came across Otto Obermeier for Liechtenstein. From Otto Obermeier's source, Liechtenstein also uses "Ministers for Magic" so chances of b] to be a yes seems slim. from category:Ministers for Magic, there's only the addition of Joshua Sankara (Burkina Faso), so it seems like even a] would be a no. While I think technically there should be distinction, I totally understand why the separation for clarity hasn't been done.

If there's other solutions, it'd be cool to hear about. =D --Sammm✦✧(talk) 16:57, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

A Minister for all Britain, incl. Ireland?

Please excuse an anonymous content, but isn't the Minister of Magic really responsible for the British Isles, rather than the United Kingdom? Seamus Finnegan is from Ireland; he cheers on Ireland proper, not Northern Ireland, in the cricket final. Yet there are no indications that Seamus is a foreigner - he was apparently summoned to Hogwarts by the Ministry of Magic. In fact, there are no indications that the wizarding states overlap with the real-world Muggle communities - if in fact the Harry Potter series takes place in the actual world. There are in real life no teams from Transylvania; it also sounds extremely unlikely that Luxemburg would have a good Quidditch team when its wizard community should, if not unproportionally large, consist of just a few persons. (J.K Rowling gives a figure of about 3000 wizards, hence less than 1:25000 muggles in a British society of about 80 million people. So there should be about a dozen wizards in Luxemburg, with c.300 000 inhabitants. You can double that number and it would still not be enough for a team.)

The best explanation would be that "Luxemburg" is the name of a larger entity than today's miniature Muggle state. The only problem with a non-overlap would be that Cornelius Fudge is constantly overlooking to inform the Irish Prime Minister. But given Fudge's incompetence, perhaps that is not surprising.

My own personal view is that it is pointless to speculate about the jurisdiction of the Minister of Magic. He is 'British', and the world of J.K. Rowling is consistently - but also inconsistently - centered around Britain. Foreigners are only brought in as an extra spice, like in the Quidditch World Cup or the Triwizard Tournament. Not once does Harry, or any member of the Order of the Phoenix consider going into exile or placing themselves under the protection of a foreign Ministry of Magic.

All best, JJ. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.82.58.237 (talk • contribs).

Cricket? Don’t you mean Quidditch? Cos Cricket is a muggle sport. InspectorGregson (talk) 04:55, July 18, 2019 (UTC)

The title "Minister"

I suggest to insert in the article, maybe at the "Behind the scenes" section, that seems that a head of department on the Ministry of Magic are also called "ministers" by some people. Example: In the article Unidentified Minister of Magical Transportation, the professor Horace Slughorn call minister the new head of Department of Magical Transportation who was his student in 1967. Andre G. Dias (talk) 12:38, February 11, 2014 (Brazil)

Ages

Should we edit all the articles to say that none of them were younger than eighteen at the time of election? According to J.K. Rowling's official website (here:http://web.archive.org/web/20110623030608/http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=12), "Seventeen is much too young to enter politics." meaning that it's unlikely for Ministers to be any younger than eighteen. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:26, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

In a quick spot check, they seem to all have that "born before 17 years prior to office" already noted. It wouldn't hurt to add the ref to her statement to back this up however IMO. --Ironyak1 (talk) 07:02, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Muggle Counterparts

I added the Ministers’ opposite numbers for Gamp through Osbert a while ago, but I can’t seem to squeeze in Lestrange, Crickerly, Evermonde, McLaird, Fawley, Spencer-Moon, the Tufts, Jenkins, or Minchum without screwing up the table. I’ve only attempted Lestrange and even he made a right pig’s ear of the thing. Can anyone help me?

Here’s the information I have: Radolphus Lestrange was Minister from 1835-1841, which corresponds to at the very least the Second Melbourne Ministry. Venusia Crickerly was Minister from 1903-1912, making her a contemporary of Arthur Balfour (1902-1905), Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman (1905-1908), and H.H. Asquith (1908-1916). Archer Evermonde was Minister from 1912-1923, so he’d see the end of Asquith’s term, followed by David Lloyd George (1916-1922) and at least Bonar Law (1922-1923). Lorcan McLaird was Minister from 1923-1925, so his contemporaries include at the very least Stanley Baldwin (1st term: 1923-1924), Ramsay MacDonald (1st term: January-November of ‘24), and Mr Baldwin again (2nd term: 1924-1929). Hector Fawley was Minister from 1925-1939, so he’d see the end of Baldwin’s second term, MacDonald’s second term (1929-1935), Baldwin’s third and final term (1935-1937), and the start of Neville Chamberlain’s term (1937-1940). Leonard Spencer-Moon was Minister from 1939-1948, corresponding to the end of Chamberlain’s term, the first term of Sir Winston Churchill (1940-1945), and the start of the term of Clement Attlee (1945-1951). Wilhelmina Tuft was Minister from 1948 until her death in 1959, which covers the end of Attlee’s term, Churchill’s second term (1951-1955), the term of Sir Anthony Eden (1955-1957), and the start of Harold Macmillan’s term (1957-1963). Her son, Ignatius Tuft, was Minister from 1959-1962, which covers the middle of Macmillan’s term. Eugenia Jenkins was Minister from 1968-1975, which covers the end of Harold Wilson’s first term (1964-1970), Edward Heath’s term (1970-1974), and the beginning of Wilson’s second term (1974-1976). And Harold Minchum was Minister from 1975-1980, which covers the end of Wilson’s second term, James Callaghan’s term (1976-1979), and the beginning of the Thatcher ministry (1979-1990). InspectorGregson (talk) 21:13, May 26, 2019 (UTC)

• Managed to get Lestrange in, but that still leaves the others. InspectorGregson (talk) 20:17, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

Merging Cells

I tried to merge the three cells of Prime Minister Tony Blair as an experiment but ended up skewing up the table even though the preview of the table after the edit didn't show any skewing. Can someone solve the problem? Danishjaveed (talk) 17:18, April 20, 2020 (UTC)