Talk: House of Black

Consistency in Magical Family Articles

I apologize for previous stepping over boundaries by having this article redirect to another article before first discussing it. I have noticed a few inconsitencies in articles about magical families, and I would like to suggest one consistent standard. For example, the article on the Malfoy family is simply Malfoy. The Weasley family has (or had) two articles: Weasley and Weasley family. And this article about the Blacks is titled House of Black. In order to maintain a consistent naming convention, I would like to propose that all magical family name articles be listed under the surname only. In this case, the House of Black article would change to just "Black". Other possiblities include using "House of (familyname)" or "(familyname) Family", as long as all articles are consistent. Suggestions? --Wydok 06:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that this particular article has an exception. The House of Black is more like a legacy than just a family name. Malfoy and Weasley both branch off from there. I agree that Weasley should just be Weasley without the family but House of Black is appropriate, I believe. What's more, JKR actually calls it this in OotP so it fits. Mafalda Hopkirk 22:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, we should use the format Wikipedia uses: Weasley (surname), Malfoy (surname), Black (surname), and the alike. 24.49.35.99 21:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Redirected

What about merging House of Black with Black Family Tree article?Mafalda Hopkirk 20:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

They probably should be merged - they're about the same thing (The Black Family). -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 20:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok to move it or should i wait? Mafalda Hopkirk 21:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Usually before doing any major page work - page move, merge, split, etc. - its good to wait a few days to see if there is any differing opinions and any necessary discussion. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 04:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, i hope it's ok i moved it. i just got so excited.Mafalda Hopkirk 04:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Category?

Doesn't the category "Members of the House of Black" seem a little redundant? Is there possibly a different category to list this under, such as wizarding families or something? Mafalda Hopkirk 18:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

No, many familes are under their own category. This is not the only article in that category - all the family members are also a part of that category (if you click the link you'll see). Members of the House of Black Category is in a Category called Wizard families. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 22:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Mafalda Hopkirk 22:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much its just more organized this way by putting things into many many small sub categories. If you ever want to see how they're set up check out the Category Tree. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 23:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Two Trees?

Has anyone else noticed that there appear to have been two trees produced for the film of OOTP? On Bellatrix's page you can see a depiction of Helena Bonham-Carter as Bellatrix, but there's another family tree picture where it's a more generic-looking picture with a notation of Bellatrix 1951- and Rodolphus Lestrange. I noticed ages ago that there are two versions for Andromeda's entry on the tree in the film too: one Just has "Andromeda" and a burn mark, and another has a rather more crude hole and "Andromeda = Ted Tonks" Thoughts? Comments? Tim 79.74.25.101 22:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The two versions of the tree come from different sources: for example, File:Andromeda Black.jpg is from the menu opening sequence on Disc 2 of the Order of the Phoenix DVD, while File:Andromeda Black Family Tree.jpg is from the actual scene with Sirius in the film. The version of the tree in the menu opening sequence appears clean and smooth, like digital art, whereas the one in the film is obviously textile. I'm guessing that the production staff drew the tree in Photoshop, had this graphic printed or woven on real fabric, and then installed this fabric onto the walls of the Grimmauld Place set. The digital art was probably reused as the menu opening sequence on Disc 2 of the DVD. As for the differences between the two versions, the digital art was probably created early in production, before they had any pictures of Helena Bonham Carter in costume to use. The production team probably added Helena in later when it came time to make the real tapestry for the set. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 08:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Alexia Walkin wasn't a relative by marriage, she was Alexia Black, but she married some Walkin.--Lord 10:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Phineas removed from family tree?

I looked a deleted scene of the black family tree and I saw that Phineas was removed. I think it's not Phineas Nigellus Black, but someone else. It was black, there was no picture. Or this is a blooper. She was to left from Bellatrix.--Station7 22:05, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

The Phineas you are talking about is not Phineas Nigellus Black, but Phineas Black, Phineas Nigellus's son who was disowned for supporting Muggle rights. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Grandparents?

Why are there not the grandparents and the parents from Phineas Nigellus Black on the family tree?--Station7 11:01, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, the Black family tree contains names dating back to the Middle Ages (according to Order of the Phoenix). You didn't really expect Rowling to draw such a big family tree. However, in the film's family tree contains some of Phineas's ancestors. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 11:23, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Past tense?

Since the name itself is extinct after the death of Sirius, should we change all references to the Black name to be in the past tense? As in "the House of Black was" rather than "the House of Black is..." --Parodist 15:10, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Technically any article referring to people or events should be written in past tense, per this wikia's policy see: Forum:Past/Present tense?. --BachLynn23 17:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)