Talk:House of Black

Consistency in Magical Family Articles

I apologize for previous stepping over boundaries by having this article redirect to another article before first discussing it. I have noticed a few inconsitencies in articles about magical families, and I would like to suggest one consistent standard. For example, the article on the Malfoy family is simply Malfoy. The Weasley family has (or had) two articles: Weasley and Weasley family. And this article about the Blacks is titled House of Black. In order to maintain a consistent naming convention, I would like to propose that all magical family name articles be listed under the surname only. In this case, the House of Black article would change to just "Black". Other possiblities include using "House of (familyname)" or "(familyname) Family", as long as all articles are consistent. Suggestions? --Wydok 06:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that this particular article has an exception. The House of Black is more like a legacy than just a family name. Malfoy and Weasley both branch off from there. I agree that Weasley should just be Weasley without the family but House of Black is appropriate, I believe. What's more, JKR actually calls it this in OotP so it fits. Mafalda Hopkirk 22:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, we should use the format Wikipedia uses: Weasley (surname), Malfoy (surname), Black (surname), and the alike. 24.49.35.99 21:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

With the exception of maybe "House of Black", simply because JRK specifically refers to them as such, I think that it at the very least the titles should be "Weasley Family" "Malfoy Family" etc. I think that if you just title Malfoy Family, "Malfoy", it could be misleading because in the books Draco is often times referred to as just "Malfoy". So if the page is about the entire family then using the formula "[surname] family" works. At that point "House of Black" would be the only one that doesn't match and that just depends on how canonical you want to be. On the other hand, the tree is referred to as "black family tree", so would it be that much a stretch to title the family page as "Black Family" instead of "House of Black", because it's not titled the "House of Black family tree". So as far as uniformity across wikia, if "House of Black" stays as such, then the family tree should probably be titled "House of Black family tree". --BachLynn23 14:06, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think all family articles should be named "[familyname] family" with the exception of this one. A "House" is a familial designation officially used by dynasts (i.e. a royal House). Thus, this would be the case (indicating that the Black family was perhaps a family of dynasts, possibly connected with the Wizards' Council or other prior governing body) and therefore the official designation of the family would be "House of Black" and not "Black family". The style used by this House (The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black or, as seen in the films, En Stirps Nobilis et Gens Antiquissima Black) seems to support this, as most noble Houses use a similar style (see House of Braganza - The Most Serene House of Braganza). Not to mention the term "House" is specifically used in the books (and by JKR herself). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 14:55, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Redirected

What about merging House of Black with Black Family Tree article?Mafalda Hopkirk 20:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

They probably should be merged - they're about the same thing (The Black Family). -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 20:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok to move it or should i wait? Mafalda Hopkirk 21:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Usually before doing any major page work - page move, merge, split, etc. - its good to wait a few days to see if there is any differing opinions and any necessary discussion. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 04:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, i hope it's ok i moved it. i just got so excited.Mafalda Hopkirk 04:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Category?

Doesn't the category "Members of the House of Black" seem a little redundant? Is there possibly a different category to list this under, such as wizarding families or something? Mafalda Hopkirk 18:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

No, many familes are under their own category. This is not the only article in that category - all the family members are also a part of that category (if you click the link you'll see). Members of the House of Black Category is in a Category called Wizard families. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 22:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Mafalda Hopkirk 22:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much its just more organized this way by putting things into many many small sub categories. If you ever want to see how they're set up check out the Category Tree. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 23:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Two Trees?

Has anyone else noticed that there appear to have been two trees produced for the film of OOTP? On Bellatrix's page you can see a depiction of Helena Bonham-Carter as Bellatrix, but there's another family tree picture where it's a more generic-looking picture with a notation of Bellatrix 1951- and Rodolphus Lestrange. I noticed ages ago that there are two versions for Andromeda's entry on the tree in the film too: one Just has "Andromeda" and a burn mark, and another has a rather more crude hole and "Andromeda = Ted Tonks" Thoughts? Comments? Tim 79.74.25.101 22:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The two versions of the tree come from different sources: for example, File:Andromeda Black.jpg is from the menu opening sequence on Disc 2 of the Order of the Phoenix DVD, while File:Andromeda Black Family Tree.jpg is from the actual scene with Sirius in the film. The version of the tree in the menu opening sequence appears clean and smooth, like digital art, whereas the one in the film is obviously textile. I'm guessing that the production staff drew the tree in Photoshop, had this graphic printed or woven on real fabric, and then installed this fabric onto the walls of the Grimmauld Place set. The digital art was probably reused as the menu opening sequence on Disc 2 of the DVD. As for the differences between the two versions, the digital art was probably created early in production, before they had any pictures of Helena Bonham Carter in costume to use. The production team probably added Helena in later when it came time to make the real tapestry for the set. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 08:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Alexia Walkin wasn't a relative by marriage, she was Alexia Black, but she married some Walkin.--Lord 10:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Phineas removed from family tree?

I looked a deleted scene of the black family tree and I saw that Phineas was removed. I think it's not Phineas Nigellus Black, but someone else. It was black, there was no picture. Or this is a blooper. She was to left from Bellatrix.--Station7 22:05, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

The Phineas you are talking about is not Phineas Nigellus Black, but Phineas Black, Phineas Nigellus's son who was disowned for supporting Muggle rights. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Grandparents?

Why are there not the grandparents and the parents from Phineas Nigellus Black on the family tree?--Station7 11:01, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, the Black family tree contains names dating back to the Middle Ages (according to Order of the Phoenix). You didn't really expect Rowling to draw such a big family tree. However, in the film's family tree contains some of Phineas's ancestors. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 11:23, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Past tense?

Since the name itself is extinct after the death of Sirius, should we change all references to the Black name to be in the past tense? As in "the House of Black was" rather than "the House of Black is..." --Parodist 15:10, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Technically any article referring to people or events should be written in past tense, per this wikia's policy see: Forum:Past/Present tense?. --BachLynn23 17:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Title of Article

Some of the article are shown full name in the title:

• Eduardus Limette Black
• Alexia Walkin Black
• Phineas Nigellus Black

An title should only say first name and surname.

Melania Macmillan

The Black family tree that the Lexicon has spells Melania's last name as 'Mcmillan', without the 'a', different from Ernie 'Macmillan'. Is there a source for her last name being 'Macmillan' instead of 'Mcmillan'? If not, then it is quite possibly the 'Macmillans' are not at all related to the Blacks, though they are a pureblood family. LemonFairy 03:05, October 16, 2010 (UTC)