Hermione's first wand, anyone know what happened to it?
After it was confiscated by the snatchers it was never given back in the books. Does JKR ever address this? Does she get a new one, or did participating in a duel where Bellatrix was defeated change the wands alliance?Goofyd00d (talk) 18:20, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
- They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlor -- Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.
A lot of people are "fairly sure" about Hermione's ethnicity, but JKR seems to be more flexible. What does the book explicitly say about Hermione's physical characteristics? We know she has brown bushy hair, brown eyes, and (initially) buck teeth. Anything else that's "for sure" rather than "fairly sure"? - Kwijybo (talk) 14:48, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
Also known as
Can we find sources for all of these, please? I am fairly certain that " 'Mione " only ever appears in badly-researched fan-fiction, and I'm dubious about "Herm-i-own". When did Rita Skeeter call her "Bored Yawn"? Was that at the 2014 Quidditch World Cup? —Phil | Talk 14:08, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
- Viktor Krum calls her "Herm-i-own" in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, until she corrects him. (Out of universe, this was J. K. Rowling's way of indicating the pronunciation to those readers who were likewise getting it wrong.) — RobertATfm (talk) 19:07, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
Skin colour, revisited
As mentioned in "Skin colour" section above, Hermione was described as being "very brown" when Harry saw her in Prisoner of Azkaban. Initially I had assumed this was because of a summer tan being in a warm, sunny place.
However, J. K. Rowling recently had this to say on Twitter, in response to the casting of Noma Dumezweni as Hermione in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child: "Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione". This, coupled with the above, seems to indicate that perhaps Hermione's skin was dark after all.
This, on the other hand, is combated by a drawing claimed by fans to have been done by Rowling depicting Hermione as white and by the Prisoner of Azkaban quote "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree" (this, however, may have been a figure of speech referring to Hermione's fear, rather than an indication of skin colour).
- Some of what Rowling says is to get some fans excited, she doesn't like to shut things down with definitive answers. I agree that white skin wasn't specified, but on dark skinned characters, dark skin was specified, and she had plenty of time to specify. Hermoine coming back from France tanned is backed up by Umbridge asking Hagrid why he was still pale after spending a summer there.
- I feel that she would not have allowed them to cast a white actor into the role in the movies if she was indeed dark skinned.
- It's not entirely true that Hermione's skin colour wasn't specified in the series, there are lots mentions of her going pink in the face, and several other mentions of her being pale or white in the face (there's that PoA quote, but there's also: "“Harry, come on, move!” Hermione had seized the collar of his jacket and was tugging him backward. “What’s the matter?” Harry said, startled to see her face so white and terrified." (Goblet of Fire, Chapter 9); "Nobody spoke for a while, not even when they heard the distant crash that meant Grawp had pulled over the pine tree at last. Hermione’s face was pale and set." (Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 30); "“But — but where? How?” said Hermione, whose face was white." (Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 32); "“He’s fainted,” said Hermione, who was also rather pale; she no longer looked like Mafalda, though her hair was still gray in places." (Deathly Hallows, Chapter 14); "Hermione was wrapped in a borrowed dressing gown, pale and unsteady on her feet; Ron put an arm around her when she reached him" (Deathly Hallows, Chapter 24).)
- Rowling is endorsing a black person being cast, in a time when there's so much talk of race representation in media. That's not a canonical statement, really -- we must also remember that she gave her a-ok to dark-haired Dursleys (Petunia and Dudley were blonds), dark-haired Neville (who was also blond), a blue-eyed Harry (needless to say, his eyes were green), a blue-eyed Voldemort (red eyes), a clean-shaven Slughorn (no enormous, silver, walrus-like moustache in sight), and a complete list would just go on and on. If anything, this speaks more of just how much of an awesome and unprejudiced person Rowling can be. -- 20:06, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
- You realize that all of those quotes you just provided don't specifically work as skin colour but are expressions right? Using the phrase "Face is white" is common in any book for a character who is frightened, be it black or even a blue skinned creature. The phrase "Pink in the face" is used in any book as a way to say they are blushing. Being pale doesn't instantly make someone white, I know plenty of pale black people. I think JK left the description of Hermione's skin colour out so people could make it their own, so we as fans could imagine her as we felt fit. For Hermione's page, skin colour should be left out, or maybe state undefined in the books, caucasian in the movies and black in the play? It'd be better then leaving it defined based on such lack luster quotes from the books. - Unsigned by User:Alpha Lycos
- Not that it really matters since it's a book and you are meant to imagine the world, but you may have to go deeper to appease the revisionists that will want to fight over this, Seth Cooper. For instance, how many characters specifically had ethnicity/skin tone mentioned? Of those described as dark skinned, did Rowling ever use the 'white face'/'pink in the face'/'pale' descriptors for them? Surely there must be official artwork of the book Hermione as well. Perhaps 'Skin colour' should be changed to 'Complexion'? Then we could use 'pale' or whatever Rowling did use to describe her as in the books. Maresy Doats (talk) 07:58, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Hermione tans, which black people don't. Black people aren't described as going white in the face. Also, she's white on Pottermore. -- Saxon 16:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
- It makes for very awkward wording to say that someone who has a dark complexion went white in the face. Either way, I see Rowling's point -- that skin colour and ethnicity are irrelevant, and I wholeheartedly agree -- but that's, apparently, not how the character was originally envisioned. Even in Rowling's original handdrawn illustrations she is as pale as Harry and Ron: take this illustration for the "Midnight Duel" chapter of Philosopher's Stone (in which Dean Thomas was initially meant to join Neville and the trio) -- you can tell how Dean's skin colour was darkened and Hermione's wasn't.
- It seems to be a case of an actor not matching the character's physical description, which isn't a big deal, really, it's happened loads of times before (and I'm sure no one liked Fiona Shaw's performance any less just because she didn't dye her hair blonde). All we should be caring about (and I'm sure all that Rowling cares about) is that Noma Dumezweni plays the part well. -- 17:58, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Is it really so difficult to distinguish book!Hermione from movie!Hermione, videogame!Hermione and now from play!Hermione? This is just another branch of available canon for us to deal with, just like the others, and we'll cope, OK? —Phil | Talk 18:20, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
- The way I see it, JK Rowling imagined Hermione as being white. The illustrations, physical descriptors (which, as pointed out above, would sound really awkward if used to describe someone with dark skin) and the casting for the movies. I'm pretty sure that if Rowling intended for Hermione to be dark skinned, then she would have mentioned it at some point. Characters who are dark skinned, such as Dean Thomas, are usually explicitly mentioned to be so. That being said, it's clear that Rowling is open to leave it unspecified for the sake of inclusivity, which is good and fine. As such, I suggest we leave Hermione's skin colour as "unspecified". The Wikia Editor (talk) 23:53, December 25, 2015 (UTC)
- I feel that it should changed to and kept as white, there has been more than enough evidence collected, this is just a case of mismatched actors. Rowling was backed in a corner when she made her statement, if she disagreed she would have been ostracized. She has mention in an interview that Hermoine was an exaggerated version of herself as a kid. I feel changing it for this rather than at least putting 2 lines for "White: Book, Movie" and "Black: Play" lowers the integrity of the wiki. We are supposed to provide as much info as possible, and unspecified is as little as possible. Goofyd00d (talk) 01:18, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I think that based on the fact that J.K. Rowling has gone on record saying the play is canon to the books (which the movies, of course, aren't), we should assume the characters in the books resemble the actors in the play. All the evidence cited here in defence of the "Hermione is white" viewpoint is either non-canon or opinion-based, so it doesn't hold up in the face of the clear evidence presented in the play. Based on the available evidence, I'd have to conclude Hermione is black in the books, white in the movies. It's as simple as that. Fantastic! Allons-y! Geronimo! 22:12, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
- It did say that Hermione was brown at one point in the books, but that is not an adequate enough bit of evidence to confirm that she really is black in the books. It could just have meant that she'd had a sun tan, or that her hair was brown or something.
- Like the movies, Rowling was not in charge of casting with the play. So while the script may be canon, the actors aren't. Plays are one long giant live take, the actors/actresses are chosen because it was decided that they could portray their character consistently enough to succeed in that environment, actor/actress mismatches are common due to this. Also the book sleeves portraying Hermione as white, you know, the ones literally attached to the books, are not opinion based evidence. Goofyd00d (talk) 08:22, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
- No, I believe the "white face" and "she looked very brown" quotes are equally unusable. Color, or should I say colour in mostly british literature is mostly used as a way to describe someone's appearance in terms of mood, feelings, cleanliness, etc. In the books her skin color is up to interpretation, same with all the other characters. But there is a huge reference in the books that leads people to believe Hermione is white, that isn't the movie. That reference is the artwork Rowling has done for her books which depicts Hermione as white. If Rowling imagined Hermione to be black, why did Rowling make her white in all of the art that she illustrated? korbenmart (talk)
- The last time I checked, J. K. Rowling herself didn't actually illustrate the covers of the books herself. But I'm pretty sure that Hermione is fair skinned, and the "very brown" description could simply refer to something other than her skin tone. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:34, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
- I always thought that JK did the art for the books, my bad I was wrong. But there are still art JK has made with the harry potter characters, ones like this one showing Hermione's skin as white. I don't think it should be changed if the writer imagined her this way. korbenmart (talk)
- I've always read Hermione as white, but each reader is free to read each character as they want. My thing is, Dean Thomas is described as "black." If Jo wanted Hermione to be black, why not use the same tactic? THAT is my problem here. She's described other black people (Kingsley) as 'black' before, but never says anything about Hermione, thus leading many people to assume she's white. That's my two cents. Riderfan2150 (talk) 01:31, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
Why do we even have a skin color section in the infobox. Skin color isn't important in the Harry Potter stories, it doesn't help us to understand the characters better, and it is unspecified for most characters. It also just seems silly to treat white as the default skin color.This whole debate could be solved by getting rid of that section of the infobox.Gowron8472 (talk) 02:55, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with the idea of removing the skin colour from articles. Skin tones are still necessary to include where possible. The correct information shouldn't be removed, because if it is removed, then someone else might come along and attempt to add different information about a character's skin tone, which turns out to be false information. For those and other reasons, I strongly oppose this idea. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 10:22, June 19, 2016 (UTC)
- Those Weasley boys really have a thing for black girls eh? First, George and Angelina and now Ron and Hermione. Nothing wrong with that. Just thought a litte interesting fact in a joking tone to ease everyone tension of this topic. On a serious note, this may imply Draco insult of "Mudblood" carry even a worst implication for non-HP fans. We fans know what Mudblood means but to non-HP, this may imply racist comment.Seasrmar (talk) 08:17, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Why is skin color something that matters? If it ever played any kind of role in the stories I would understand, but it is never significant. How many characters have actually had their skin color described in the books. As far as I can tell, most other characters' infoboxes don't even have a citation for skin color. I think a lot of it is either people going by the movies, or just assuming that everyone is white unless stated otherwise.Gowron8472 (talk) 22:10, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I do. Via JKR Twitter: http://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/678888094339366914?s=17
- I know it shocked many, myself included that Hermione could be black. I've got accustomed to Emma Watson as portraying Hermione. But I thought to myself, JKR is the author, if she wants to change the skin color of a character she created, it's her right. She may have us believe that all this time Hermione was white, then change Hermione to black, then maybe even further down the road, back to white or even something else. Hermione Jean Granger is JKR'a character, JKR decide Hermione features. What's awesome is we don't even have to personally agree with how JKR or each other see Hermione. Reading suppose to inspire imagination. We can see how we see her. Like me, I will for now see Emma Watson. There is a canon way that us set by the author at his or her choosing and changing at his or her will. But personally, it's up to the individual readers to let his or her imagination to see how the character is for him or herself.Seasrmar (talk) 22:17, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
- JKR has both given many clues (just read this talk page) that she originally envisioned Herminone as having lighter skin. However, she has also given her support for Black Hermione in no uncertain terms ("I decided not to get too agitated about it and simply state quite firmly that Hermione can be a black woman with my absolute blessing and enthusiasm.") Everyone reads Hermione differently, and given that JKR supports these differing interpretations, there is no single answer to this question, just different readings with various supporting points. --Ironyak1 (talk) 23:27, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
I'm in agreement with Ironyak1 here. Although the evidence suggests JKR originally envisioned Hermione as white, her recent statements make it clear that she hasn't ruled out the possibility of Hermione being black, and canonical references to Hermione's appearance leave enough wiggle room to allow for this interpretation. The references to her being "pink" or "pale," which would seem to suggest she has a lighter skin tone, are more indicators of emotional state than race, i.e. that she is frightened or embarrassed in a specific scene. That doesn't necessarily mean that she is white - only that her skin tone isn't so dark as to make flushing and pallour effectively invisible. I'd suggest leaving the "skin tone" field in her infobox empty. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 00:34, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
- If it helps dissolve this debate, then I'm all for it. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:36, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
Changed her name - or not?
Although Rita refered to her as Hermione Granger, the new Pottermore information on the casting of the cursed child play refers to her as Hermione Weasley. Should we assume that she changed her last name then?--Rodolphus (talk) 15:44, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
- Bump - I can't seem to find any casting info with Hermione Weasley mentioned. Rodolphus, or anyone else, have a link to this info? --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:04, May 31, 2016 (UTC)
- ETA: I did find this mention of Hermione Weasley, but it looks like the Muggles at Time just got it wrong as JKR herself refered to her as Hermione Jean Granger in wishing her a Happy Birthday. --Ironyak1 (talk) 15:16, May 31, 2016 (UTC)
- Anyone have thoughts if Hermione kept Granger or hyphenated it? The new Pottermore article is very vague in the they are referred to as the Weasleys, Ron Weasley & Hermione Granger, and the Granger-Weasleys. We know Rose Granger-Weasley for sure but what about her parents - kept names or hyphenated based on how you read the article? --Ironyak1 (talk) 07:42, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
Hermione kept it as Granger. She´s refered to as Hermione Granger in the 2008 edition of the Tales of Beedle the Bard, hich she translated from Ancient Runes to English for Muggle readers. Also, Rita Skeeter refered to as Hermione Granger during the 2014 world cup.--Rodolphus (talk) 09:16, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
- While I generally agree with you, CC is in 2017 and Hermione could always have changed to Granger-Weasley at any time after QWC2014, not just right when she got married. (Given their attention to detail, MinaLima probably already had a Magical change of name form printed up, just in case ;) The problem arises from PM's parallel sentence structure: "A first look at Ron, Hermione and Rose Granger-Weasley" means Ron Granger-Weasley, Hermione Granger-Weasley, and Rose Granger-Weasley. If they are different then it's "first look at Ron Weasley, Herminone Granger, and Rose Granger-Weasley." (It's not all bad to have an English teacher in your house, although it can be challenging at times :) Others have read it this way as well on Twitter. As a playbill with a full cast list only days away, we'll soon know for sure. --Ironyak1 (talk) 12:31, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
The Cursed Child
In the meantime, for the sake of those of us who haven't had the chance, could you please avoid putting the spoilers out where we can see. Since this page is on my watchlist, I get an email alert when it changes, and with no warning I was greeted with a page full of spoiler information that I am trying not to look at. Thanks in advance… —Phil | Talk 07:44, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Anyone who wants to post spoilers should be putting them in draft articles and anyone who wants to talk about it elsewhere should be putting them under CC spoiler boxes so others know not to read them if they choose not to. Unfortunately though Phil, a lot of the people trying to post them are very new to how wikia works and don't think its a big deal so they will keep trying to add things for the next month. I had to keep undoing the same spoiler on Hermione's page for example the other day so it may be best to stop emails until you have read the book if you don't like spoilers. --May32 (talk) 11:51, July 5, 2016 (UTC)