Talk:Draco Malfoy's wand

The quote doesn't seem to be from the book. 71.255.87.212 22:22, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

The Allegiance of Draco Malfoy's Wand

Draco Malfoy's wand did not at any occasion transfer its allegiance to anyone else. No such mention has been made in the books or by JK Rowling herself. There has been no evidence to support that and it is only the Elder Wand that transferred it allegiance. It was stated as such in the films because the film directors needed a way to support the idea that Harry Potter did indeed win the allegiance of the Elder Wand from it's previous master, Draco Malfoy. The films has been highly inaccurate in this matter, in the fact that it wrongly states Draco Malfoy's wand changed its allegiance and that Harry Potter won the wand by snatching it out of Draco's hand. Draco Malfoy remains as the only known owner of a Hawthorn Wand. Retrieved from "http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Hawthorn" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.72.245.248 (talk • contribs).

Copy/pasted from my response on Talk:Hawthorn: According to "The Fundamental Laws" on the "Wandlore" page wands can be won from their masters. Nothing says only the Elder Wand does this. Also, please sign talk page entries with 4 tildes. -Shorty1982 10:34, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ollivander states that "when a wand has been won, it's aligiance will change" on page 399 of the DH book. --Rodolphus 10:38, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Page 492 of the American edition of Death Hollows, snippet of conversation between Ollivander and Harry:

"This was the wand of Draco Malfoy."

"Was?" repeated Harry. "Isn't it still his?"

"Perhaps not. If you took it-"

"-I did-"

"Then it may be yours"

-Shorty1982 10:46, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

British Version

You will have to excuse me for I have only read the British Version and I assure you that no mention has been made as such. You will recall that JK Rowling wrote the British Version first and I treat it as more authentic.

'Is it still his?'

'Then it may be yours, of course the manner of taking matters.'

Ollivander uses the words 'belonged' when refering to the wand of Bellatrix Lestrange. Also, if the allegiances of wands were so easily won and lost, than many wizards (including Harry Potter) would have lost the allegiance of their wands quite early in their life.

I also have the British version and I assure you, the above text is in it. A witch or wizard doesn't loose their wands allegiance whenever they are disarmed, but Harry took the wand physically from Draco, and began using it as his own. That doesn't mean the wand will never work for Draco again, but it served Harry just as well because he won it from it's original owner. Jayden Matthews 11:03, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

You have to disarmed, shunned or kill in order for the wand to transfer its allegiance, winning it physically would not do. Go and check on HarryPotter wiki.

Harry Potter Wiki articles are not a source. The article may be in error as we are not infallible and editors sometimes put their own spin on things. Only information direct from the source is valid. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 11:10, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure which article you got that information from but it is incorrect. The book explicitly states that Harry won the wand's allegiance when he took it from Draco. Jayden Matthews 11:14, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

In the American Version?

No, the British version. Jayden Matthews 11:31, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

The British Version is unclear about it. Harry Potter askes if he can use it safely and Mr Ollivander replies that he thinks so.

Compromise

It is to my understanding that there will be no agreement, therefore I propose a compromise. It is our intention that we provide as CLEAR and FIRM facts to the readers. I will delete all statements that states contrary to the statement below or all statements that states its facts with more certainty than below which I hope is agreeable to everyone and I will post it on the page.

'Due to Contradictory and Unclear Statements, it remains unclear whether or not Draco Malfoy's wand transferred its allegiance to Harry Potter. The American Version and the film supports that it does, the British Version does not and there is no other place in the internet (including confirmed sources) that agrees with the American Version and the films. Please do not edit this statement or any other statement with regards to this matter for if you wish to disagree with this, please go to the Talk Page on Draco Malfoy's wand.'