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Wand manufacturer & purchase

Is there any direct reference to Dolores buying her wand at 11 from Ollivander or is this just assumed because "everyone" does it? It feels like so many articles state these assumptions as facts as if everyone does exactly the same as Harry and goes to Hogwarts (most are home schooled - JKR), buys a wand at 11 (Ron gets a hand me down, but buys a new wand after a couple years), and always from Ollivander (not the only wandmaker in the world, not even the only one in Diagon Alley (Jimmy Kiddell's Wonderful_Wands). I have half a mind to start gutting any statements like this I see (or at least strongly qualifying them as "may have" or "presumably") unless there is a reference to back them up. Some one want to talk me down or push me over the edge? --Ironyak1 (talk) 10:06, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

It is sourceless and just based on an assumption that everyone uses Ollivander's, but other wandmakers have existed and she could have bought her wand from any of the others. I say just to remove that sourceless nonsense from pages because it's only an assumption that is probably wrong. --Sajuuk 10:09, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

I´m perfectly fine with removing it. There is no statement in canon where Umbridge bought her wand.--Rodolphus (talk) 10:12, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

Anyone who is reading this wiki almost certainly knows the basic story back and forth.  I think we should restirct statements like this to what is known for certain.  There are other situations where it might be reasonable to have a bit of speculation in an article, but since everyone knows that most people bought their wand from Ollivander at the age of 11, there is really no reason to include that in these articles unless there is a legitimate source which says that (which should then be cited.)  Wva (talk) 16:16, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

I'd agree to that. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 11:34, May 20, 2016 (UTC)


Not sure if this is already mentioned in the article, but it strikes me how hypocritical she is. Dolores Umbridge contradicted herself on at least one occasion stating how the students had been exposed to some irresponsible teachers which unfortunately resulted in them being below the standards she expected to see in their OWL year. But in the fifth film that's exactly what she ended up doing. Like Cornelius Fudge, she was actively trying to stop them from learning defensive spells. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 10:50, September 28, 2016 (UTC)


I believe one of the wombats says that the "average" age of a Wizengamot member is eighty seven. If so, can we appoint Umbridge's d.o.b as approx. 1908? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:33, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think so because it's unconfirmed. I'm not sure how old she'd be but I seriously doubt she'd be that old. I'm pretty sure she'd be quite a bit younger than Dumbledore and Slughorn, and unless I'm mistaken - which I could very well be - McGonagall. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 11:56, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
Also, an average does not tell you if the underlying numbers vary widely. For instance, the average of 1 and 99 is 50, but using that average as an approximation for either of the real values is quite inaccurate. --Ironyak1 (talk) 13:57, May 27, 2017 (UTC)