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If the point of this page originates from this page ,disregard it. It is obviously made for trolling excited fans, and should NOT be taken seriously. Wait until the premiere for a real-life opportunity to review the play to see what it's all about, or if Delphie even exist in the real play. Ninclow (talk) 08:53, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

NOTE: I understand there is a lot of interest in this material; however, when the authors of the spoiler summaries are questioning the use of their material here on the wiki, it should give us pause as to the current approach. http://oddhour.tumblr.com/post/145888997724/1-ive-started-recapping-cursed-child-part-2 We are way out of the norm when fan posts on tumblr and twitlonger are the primary sources for articles. (Perhaps we can use some of the images from here for the infobox? http://muffinmixerart.tumblr.com/image/145885257527 ;) I'm not arguing for a take-down, but until we have an official source, I think then this material should remain strictly under wraps (may even need to change the warning text from "spoiler alert" to "rumors from fan summaries who supposedly saw the play" :P --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:26, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

There is absolutely no way we're going to please everyone here. We've tried to strike a balance between JKR's hardline anti-spoiler campaign and allowing fans to read spoilers if they so choose. Citing fan and media reports is obviously only a temporary solution until the script book becomes available. But it's at least setting some standard of verifiability, instead of just parroting what the reports are saying without any kind of attribution, which opens the door to trolls coming along and inserting whatever nonsense they want, claiming they've actually seen the play. Starstuff (Owl me!) 20:58, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


Page Naming

Shouldn't Delphi's page be entitled Delphi Riddle? Felix Alan Cadmus Scamander 09:37, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Do we know for sure if it is Delphi Riddle, Delphi Lestrange or Delphi Rowle?--Rodolphus (talk) 09:41, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Yes - because if we follow naming tradition (in which the child gets the father's name) her name is Delphi Riddle. Felix Alan Cadmus Scamander 10:43, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

But she was adopted, so may have taken the name of her adoptive family. And also, her parents were not married, meaning any naming is possible. Also, if her name was Riddle, it probably would have been easier for her to find out the truth. I´d say let us move the article back to just Delphi until there is a source confirming her last name. --Rodolphus (talk) 10:51, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Why are we adding Delphi and information from secondary sources to the wikia without absolute definitive proof it is true? The supposed plot of the Cursed Child sounds very far fetched and silly to me. How can we be certain this isn't just a clever ploy by Jo to fool us so we don't find the real plot? She is very into this #KeepTheSecrets and "wormtaily" thing. There is no point arguing and debating about something and adding things to the wikia until we have the script book ourselves to add as a definitive source. Things are going to change between now and the final story too - the whole point of previews is to see how people take it and what needs to be changed/improved. If people want spoilers, they can easily find them. But the wikia is starting to get cluttered/confused and we haven't even solved other problems yet which need to be decided first. If I'm right, we are going to have change/take down a lot.
And why are we adding characters like Delphi to the infoboxes which we have been debating over? We haven't even solved that problem yet. If we are using Tier 1 written material only, we need to be able to add a source linking to the exact quote, line in the script book. This is all just speculation at the moment. And putting Delphi Riddle in Voldemort's infobox not under a Cursed Child Spoiler header means a fan not wanting to know might easily see it and be upset. Have patience, guys. Wait until we get the script book and read it for ourselves. -- User:EmilyMills22 (talk) 11:10, June 12 2016
Given the many unknowns here and the potential spoiler issue this should be named Delphi - the administrator Starstuff discussed this on her talk page.
ETA: Sorry Starstuff actually had a preferred last name, but even that feels spoilery IMO so lets just leave off the last named for now? As mentioned, we don't even have a canonical source for this info, and the play is in previews so much can change before it's official. There was a hasty discussion had about all this at Forum:Cursed_Child_Spoilers as well as Starstuff's talk page that helps explain our current attempt at handling this info. Thanks --Ironyak1 (talk) 11:44, June 12, 2016 (UTC)
This page should be moved to harrypotterfanon.wikia.com immediately! Ninclow (talk) 13:22, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

What proof do you have this article was for trolling? You don't have them, thus the page should remain until opening night-if opening night confirms it, it'll be spoiler free. If not, then it'll be removed. So chill —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PersephoneH (talkcontribs).


The evidence lies in the fact that the supposed leak contradict about every statement from Rowling from the fifth book were published all the way to current day, it's absurdly non-sensical and goes against establish HP universe rules for time travel, the actions, atittude and behavior every well-known character (with the possible exception McGonagall, who is btw already confirmed retired prior to the point in time the plays take place but somehow still supposedly are Headmistress) are out-of-character for them to say and do and every plot point seem so insanely out of place in the story that if this are not a joke, the script writer must have been smoking socks while working on it for trailing off and disregarding the source material to the extent he in that case has. Ninclow (talk) 15:26, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Again, I can confirm that the information IS correct as of the preview performance. As a note about time-travel, it has been mentioned on Pottermore before that it can affect the future if not done with care. In particular, Eloise Mintumble became trapped in the past and when she finally returned to the present, she discovered that her excursion through time had caused great disturbances in the life paths of those she had met, changing the present so dramatically that no fewer than twenty-five of their descendants vanished in the present, having been 'un-born'. Unclebulgaria1989 (talk) 15:45, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

If Rowling agreed h this load of hogwash, it was she who smoked socks.... Ninclow (talk) 17:04, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Ninclow. Everything at the moment is speculation. Even though some people who have seen the show say something happened, it doesn't mean they can be taken seriously. At the moment, I think we can all agree the plot sounds a bit odd.
I have heard things that some people who have seen the play say didn't happen. I think we should leave as much information as possible from the play out until we have the proper script book to use as a source. If the spoilers are true (hope not!), the play is still in previews. It could still change. I think we are getting ahead of ourselves. Maybe possible Cursed Child spoilers could be put on their own page but be kept off official character etc. pages until it is confirmed otherwise we will have to do a lot of re editing. At the moment, as Ninclow said, a lot of things in the play contradict a lot of what has been already written and these new time turners that supposedly exist change the laws already written. Until everything is confirmed and then explained properly, we shouldn't be even be putting it under a cursed child spoiler headers as though it is true. EmilyMills22 (talk) 15:45, June 12, 2016 (UTC)
I agree that information from the play should not be added to the wiki until the previews are over. While I doubt any major aspects of the story will change, there could be minor alterations or even changes to character names etc. In addition, people could add false information about the play to the wiki and it would be hard to monitor because so few of us have seen it yet.Unclebulgaria1989 (talk) 18:14, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Wow.... User:EmilyMills22, no one has ever agreed with me before.... Thanks! :-D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ninclow (talkcontribs).

There are a few major sources that all agree on the general outline of the plot. I have seen the play programme and merchandise that aligns with these characters and plot points. While I agree there are some odds and ends that seem out of place, it's unlikely the plot is going to be radically different in the official play or script book (but I am willing to be proved wrong ;)

The decision was made for the wiki to keep these details hidden, but allow them for those who are interested. I think this is a good balance, but if others feel otherwise, I suggest they raise the issue here Forum:Cursed_Child_Spoilers, but PLEASE keep the play info inside the cc-spoilerbox section (between the {{ }} braces). Thanks! --Ironyak1 (talk) 18:43, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

I don't care what Rowling says, if this is even remotely part of the play, she was smoking socks, she lost sight of what is important about the world she created and turned into a freakin' clone of Stephenie f***** Meyer, and I won't consider it canon. Ninclow (talk) 18:48, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Multiple reports from people who've seen the play have emerged online. These reports concur on most major plot elements, but do feature some discrepancies on minor details, the kind of small things you'd expect people to forget when trying to take in and remember the entirety of a five-hour play. The plot details that have come out also align with the cast list from photos of the official programme.

So, at this point, I think we can conclude that most of the plot details that have come out are legitimate. I can't imagine anyone setting up a false-flag operation of this magnitude to protect the plot of a play. It would require setting up fake accounts on multiple social media platforms to spread the decoy spoilers.

I'd prefer to allow another week of preview showings before going live with spoiler content. That way we could wait for more fan reports to emerge and confirm as many plot details as possible. But, from the fact this article has already been created, it seems that the addition of spoiler content is unavoidable. So we might as well ensure that it is added in a way that conforms to our spoiler quarantine plan.

We could add a caveat to the spoiler header similar to that in Template:Transcribed image. In other words, that the article contains tentative information, which may be inaccurate or subject to change.

Can anyone who's seen the play confirm whether Delphi's real surname is revealed in it? According to a report I read, Delphi is short for Delphinus, so under our article naming policy, that should be this article's title. But it's could also potentially be a spoiler, since delphinus is a constellation, and one could deduce her parentage from that fact. Starstuff (Owl me!) 22:02, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that Delphi's real surname was not mentioned. She went by the name of Delphi Diggory for the majority of the play, but after her parentage was revealed, she was just called Delphi. Unclebulgaria1989 (talk) 22:23, June 12, 2016 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure her last name can't be Riddle anyway:
1) Her parents were not married.
2) Voldemort refused to be ever called by his real name, because of Muggle-connections. He renounced it.
So she probably was a Rowle for the most of her life, because she was raised/adopted by them, but after she found out the truth about her parents she probably called herself only by her first name, since Voldemort never had any last name.
Also even if you take the small period shortly after her birth and before she lost her parents and was adopted, she was likely a Lestrange, because technically Bellatrix was still married to Rodolphus when Delphi was born, so she should have got his last name.PersephoneH (talk)
We should move the article to Delphinus once the spoiler quarantine has elapsed. I tend to agree Rowle is her most probable surname, but unless her surname is confirmed, it remains speculation.
I've read a report that states that Delphi worked in the nursing home where Amos Diggory lived. Was she a legitimate employee who only met Amos because she worked there? Or did she intentionally infiltrate the nursing home to get close to him to further her plan? Would be nice to get some clarification regarding the timing of these events, because I've read the whole Time-Turner business doesn't transpire until Albus's fourth year, thus 2021. Starstuff (Owl me!) 23:21, June 12, 2016 (UTC)
When we get a confirmation about her full name the page should be moved indeed. For now it's speculation. I doubt her full name is really Delphinus though, as it's a male form of the Latin word for 'dolphin' or for 'man from Delphi'. Though I'm sure her full name is supposed to have connections with Delphinus, remind us about it, since it's the name of constellation and it brings associations with naming in Black family. The female form of Delphinus shall be Delphina, it seems more likely that it is her full name. It's specualtion of course on my part. Who knows what Rowling made up? Rowle as her last name/surname remains a specualtion also until confirmation, I agree.
As for the rest, I think she intentionally infiltrated the nursing home to get close to Amos to further her plan, it fits the character more, but it's also just speculation for now. I agree about the timing of events, would be nice to get the clear picture. We'll wait and see I guess :).PersephoneH (talk)
Her name wasn't Delphinus. She only mentioned her full first name a few times, and it was either Delphini (or some spelling variation of that) or Delphina, I'm not sure which.Unclebulgaria1989 (talk) 07:24, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
That's what I'm implying. Delphinus is a male name. She is more likely called Delphina (female version of this name). There was even Medieval Saint with such name, Blessed Delphina, for example. Or she may be called Delphine (French version of that name, I think) or Delphyne. Delphina/Delphine/Delphyne still has big associations with name of constellation btw, so it checks all the boxes - snake element of her parentage from Voldemort's side and pattern element of naming children after stars from Bellatrix's side.PersephoneH (talk) 12:24, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

Canon?

Have Rowling confirmed ANY of this load of hogwash is canon? Ninclow (talk) 16:57, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child has been published. Give it a read, it's all there. --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:07, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, can we wait until Rowling have stop taking whatever she was on when she actually passed off this out-of-character, surrialistical, canon-contradictory bunch of rubbish as canon and THEN ask her about this whole fanfiction thing are in-universe or not? Ninclow (talk) 20:45, July 31, 2016 (UTC) 
Unfortunately, at the moment Rowling still considers the play canon. She considers it a continuation. I agree with you. I saw the play so I have had a few weeks to get my head around it and I still don't quite get it. There is a lot of canon contradictory things in the play. Since there is still a chance Delphi may be crazy since the play doesn't really definitively prove she is their daughter, it may be a small consolation to you to think of it that way. That is why we put "supposedly" on her page. Jo says she isn't writing anymore stories for Harry or the Next Gen so you have that consolation too! You never know - Jo may say it's more of a parody one day! Until then, The Cursed Child is unfortunately considered canon. --Kates39 (talk) 21:03, July 31 2016 (UTC)
But seriously! Voldemort and Bellatrix? It wouldn't happen, he didn't know love, and as he expected to live forever, he never would have had any need, let alone desire for an heir of any kind. It's taken straight out from every bad fanfiction ever written depicting those two characters! If Rowling says this is canon, she's either high or one of her loved ones are secretly being held for ransom... Ninclow (talk) 22:07, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
E pur si muove. Talk pages are meant to hold discussions about the article, not to appraise the article's subject. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:23, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
Why Voldemort would have her I don't know, though someone did speculate and I think it is probably the case, that Voldemort might have done it with Bellatrix in order to reward her, not because he actully loved her (meaning Delphini was born in a similar manner to Tom Riddle himself, a mother in love with a father who didn't love the mother back). As for when she was born, the only time period she could have been born in is during Half Blood Prince. Nerdman3000 (talk) 23:38, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
Voldemort presumably agreed to...whatever activity...lead to Delphini in order to reward Bellatrix for her faithful service, and, perhaps, to have a back-up plan. After all, the existence of his Horcruxes was secret to his followers, so perhaps he thought having a nominative heir would help solidify his position in their eyes. Going way, way out on a limb, it's possible that taking Harry's blood (and thus Lily's protection) into himself during his resurrection in GoF affected him. Awakened some previously dormant or non-existent desire in him that made him agree to Bellatrix's request when he would have otherwise declined.
The last time Bellatrix was seen in the books before the Battle of Hogwarts was during the Skirmish at Malfoy Manor in late March 1998. She wasn't described as pregnant then, and, thus, the latest possible birthdate for Delphi is mid-March. Unless Bellatrix hid her advanced pregnancy with a glamour or something.
I think we can safely assume Rodolphus knew about the situation and was okay with it. The Death Eaters were essentially a cult. Presumably, he saw his wife being offered a child by the Dark Lord as a great honour, not a betrayal. Starstuff (Owl me!) 01:54, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
Or, an idea I had. Bellatrix had a child with Voldemort, but not with her husband, implying that maybe something was wrong with Rodolphus and Voldemort only impregnated Bellatrix to pass his daughter off as a Lestrange -- a real, true, pure-blood family that no-one can ever doubt -- and that she was a back-up method, like Wormtail, in case his body was destroyed as it could presumably be done so again. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 02:01, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
This whole thing isn't really impossible at all and although I laughed for a good half an hour after reading: 'I am Bellatrix and Voldemort's child,' however, when I stopped and thought about it some more it kinda makes sense. 
First off, I think that the reason so many people are annoyed about this revelation is that they think Voldemort conceived Delphi with Bellatrix out of love. He couldn't love, he didn't even understand love so that is a no, no. However if in this case you simply treat sex as just another need, like eating or drinking, even immortal Voldemort could have urges. And well, Bellatrix clearly wouldn't have complained about it. Second, there is no reason to think that he slept wit Bellatrix for the purpose of creating an heir. Again it could have just been sex and she happened to get pregnant. I can see them both wanting to keep the child for two different reasons: 1 Bellatrix would have viewed this as a wonderful thing. I mean she was carrying the child of the man she worshipped. 2, Voldemort would have undoubtedly realised that this child could/would be strong, another great "pawn," fully loyal to him added to his "game".
And please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bellatrix absent from the books since the summer of 1996, where she stood witness to Severus and Narcissa's unbreakable vow, until the summer of 1997? Where she greets Voldemort at the Malfoy manner: (taken from her wikia page)
[Bellatrix: "My Lord, it is an honour to have you here, in our family's house. There can be no higher pleasure."
Lord Voldemort: "No higher pleasure... That means a great deal, Bellatrix, from you."]
That is enough time for Bellatrix to conceive a child and give birth to her in 1997, making her 22/23 years old in 2020 when the action is taking place in the CC. (forgot to add signature!) Mewrlise (talk) 08:48, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
It was confirmed that Delphi was born right before the Battle of Hogwarts, meaning Bellatrix was pregnant during the whole DH book and all the plot holes of nobody in the Malfoy Manor knowing it, plus the Trio when they were inside the Manor. Basically her being real opposes to everything we knew as canon Williukea (talk) 10:38, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Full name?

Should we have her called Delphini Diggory? I know that's what she's called by the characters most of the time, but that's only when they think she's Amos' niece. Since her father is Tom Marvolo Riddle, otherwise known as Lord Voldemort, should we call her Delphini Riddle instead? Nerdman3000 (talk) 17:52, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, we talked about this before, but we don't really know what her last name would be. It's unlikely that she would have the muggle name Riddle as Voldemort had abandoned it himself, so perhaps she might have used Lestrange or even Rowle during her upbringing. Maybe it's best to just use Delphini for the article title? --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:47, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

We could just call her Delphini, Daughter of Voldemort. Or just Delphini Voldemort. Nerdman3000 (talk) 17:52, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

So we don't add relationships to names in article titles (relationships only used when name is not known such as Hermione Granger's father and Voldemort is not really a last name, nor do we really know if she is actually his daughter (no evidence given other than her words) and it would also break the current Spoiler Policy :) I'd go with just Delphini as we know she is not really a Diggory. --Ironyak1 (talk) 17:59, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
She was raised by the Rowles so her legal name is probably Delphini Rowle with her true name being Delphini Riddle... Maxattac (talk) 19:01, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Voldemort disowned the Muggle name Riddle, so I doubt that his daughter would ever be called Riddle.

Birth Timeline

Briefly de-lurking to say, there are in fact three separate occasions during the Second War in which Delphi could have been born, not just the one stated in the current entry. I discuss this at some length here: http://archiveofourown.org/works/7647784 and there have been contributions by others there that have been folded in. I'm not inclined to make any edits to the entry here because I'm not a regular contributor here and do not feel equipped to do so in a way that would meet the community's standards (particularly as this entry is contentious), but I think someone should.


Deslea (talk) 13:11, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Picture

What happened to the picture of her? --SWLover2 (talk) 19:26, November 28, 2016 (UTC)

Birth

I´m not sure if we can exclude that she was born in late March or April after the Skirmish at Malfoy Manor. Isn't it possible that Bella or Voldemort could have hidden her pregnancy with magic? --Rodolphus (talk) 16:06, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Bumping.--Rodolphus (talk) 19:13, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox?

Should her infobox be changed to convict based on CC?--Rodolphus (talk) 17:21, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

Bumping.--Rodolphus (talk) 11:39, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Bumping.--Rodolphus (talk) 20:17, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

Although it is clearly implied that she would be in Azkaban for her crimes, the fact that it is never stated that she was sentenced (and didn't escape, kill herself, etc) gives me pause. Not a big deal either way, but I could see using the convict theme or just leaving it as dark-wizard. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 20:30, July 7, 2017 (UTC)