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Can he speak?

I've yet to get to the last book so I don't know if this will be answered there, but while playing the Chamber Of Secrets game for GameBoy Color, speaking to the Baron at Nick's deathday party results in the response; "......." to which Harry remembers the Baron cannot talk. Is this true, or just some random thing added to the game? Could've sworn he was laughing when he appeared in the first film, so it hardly seems logical for them to add that sort of thing into the game. --Malunis T 10:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The Baron can probably speak. The other ghosts only rarely speak to him.--Rodolphus 10:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

In Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, Harry impersonates the Baron while under the Cloak of Invisibility to scare away Peeves. Since Peeves is convinced and flies off, I would assume that yes he can speak. - Nick O'Demus 10:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Actor

Who portaryed him in Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone?Philered WAS HERE! PEACE!

11:21, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
Terence Bayler. - Nick O'Demus 11:29, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Clothes

I'm so confused. If he died in the 11th century, then why is he dressed like someone from the 17th? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 180.131.232.224 (talkcontribs).

The circumstances around the Baron's death (including the timeframe) were only revealed in Deathly Hallows. At the time of filming Philosopher's Stone we didn't really know when he lived, and the filmmakers chose 17th/18th century-ish attire (note that in the film he isn't wearing his chains either -- something that was only revealed in Deathly Hallows). --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 12:09, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blood status

The article claims that the Baron presumably has Muggle heritage given his noble title, but I say this is unlikely. I mean, the Bloody Baron was taught at Hogwarts in the Founders' Time; having been sorted into Slytherin house he was taught by Salazar Slytherin himself. Given Slytherin's extremist anti-Muggle ideology, I find it very unlikely that a person with Muggle ancestry was a) taught by the man himself and b) chosen to represent (as a house ghost) a house whose founder greaty valued the purity of one's blood (even in Chamber of Secrets, the password to the Slytherin Common Room was "Pure-Blood"). Sure, it is true that according to Remus Lupin there are no princes in the wizarding world, but does the absence of royal families invalidate the existance of a noble social class? --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:32, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. I've said it before, royalty and nobility are two different things. Jayden Matthews 19:42, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Look at San Marino for instance; nobility still remains part of the legal social structure despite the country being a republic. It bugs me a lot when I see every person in the Nobility category being automatically labeled as a Muggle-born or Half-blood. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 19:48, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Would it be fair to mark him down for Pure-blood then, given his tutelage under Salazar?Green Zubat 20:22, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Repated Section Title

There's 2 "1995—1996 school year" sections in the article. Ordona 04:27, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. The second one has been changed to "1996-1997" school year. -JDRooDigger 04:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

His title.

Hogwarts was founded in 993, with Helena Ravenclaw already born (whether she was 11 I don't know, but regardless) she will have been one of the first generation of students in the history of the Wizarding world to attend the school - meaning she would have left Hogwarts at 17 in the (minimum year) of 1000. At this time, the Bloody Baron also attends Hogwarts and falls in love with her, which as you know she never felt mutual. So, when they had left, Helena stole the diadem to be just as smart and thus famous as her mama, 'cause of this Rowena fell ill 'rumored' so she asked the Baron to go find Helena who had escaped to Albania. That means that if the murder in Albania took place in the year 1000 when they were both 17 (which is the lowest it can be) then the "baron" as JK brands him (she still hasn't told us his name) would be a title that simply doesn't exist as up to the battle of Hastings in 1066 we were ruled by Norway, and thus the title 'Baron' didn't exist until 1066. Which would mean that if the Baron WAS a Baron, the murder would have taken place in no later than 1066 - meaning they were both 83... And I according to Deathly Hallows, Helena is NOT an old woman. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ThatsRoss (talkcontribs).

Nicely put. It's probably another of Rowling's mathematical/historical mistakes (i.e. the claim in Pottermore that the original Ollivander arrived at Britain with the Romans, but we know he established the wand-making business in 382 B.C. but the Roman conquest of Britain (Britannia) only began effectively in 43 B.C., under Emperor Claudius. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 14:01, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Alternatively, he may have started calling himself "Baron" after his death, when the title itself was created. Jayden Matthews 14:45, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
That'd be unlikley - During the Deathly Hallows when Helena explains the story to Harry, she states that her mother asked for the Baron, which to me sounds as though he is already being named that. However, that would solve the puzzle of why a Pure-blood Wizard bore Muggle title.

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