Talk:Bellatrix Lestrange

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Contents 1 Book/film 2 Death 3 Birth date 4 Image 5 Wow, update 6 Wand 7 Images 8 Voldemort Right Hand 9 Such Good Images 10 Ah, hello?? 11 Quote

[edit] Book/film

In the 'Second War' section it says, She then shouted at him: "You need to mean it, Potter!" However, in the film, its not her who says this, it's Lord Voldemort, right? Lee 20:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The book version of events takes precedent over the films, so we go with Bellatrix saying it. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 22:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Why does everyone think Bellatrix knows occlumency? What chapter does it say so of HBP?

Of course, how else could she teach it to Draco...?-Matoro183 ^(Talk) 01:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was where does it say that Draco knows occlumency?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.220.128.22 (talk • contribs).

-Matoro183 ^(Talk) 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a question: How does her outfit change in the film adaption of HP5? she was first in her Askaban outfit, then the torn dress seen at the Battle at the Department of Mysteries?

In the 'Early Life' section, can we really say that she showed no outward affection for her husband? I know she never really talked about him, but I don't think that is correct. - Tyminator1 (Talk) 13:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Death

Are you sure it wasn't the Killing Curse that got her? 72.221.69.79 17:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It's never stated what spell Molly used to kill her. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 01:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

J.K. Rowling can be very weird at what she writes in her novels, huh? 72.221.69.79 02:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

If it was not the killing curse, what was it? --Lupin & Kingsley 01:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't the light green? Waterdrop95 06:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Molly and her were both aiming to kill.--Lupin & Kingsley 23:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Most curses can kill if they are powerful enough or are aimed at certain places (e.g. above the heart). Madam pomfrey mentions to Harry in book five that four (or five i cant remember) stunners to the chest at McGonigalls age should have killed her. So Molly Weasley, the quiet, loving house witch who we all thought could only use magic for cooking and cleaning may well have been a very powerful witch. But with the added effect of her anguish over the death of her son Fred and Bellatrixes taunts may have installed in her enough power to kill Bellatrix with a single well aimed cusre above the heart.

It never actually says that she died. If it wasn't the killing curse she could have survived. We know that McGonagall survived several stunning spells to the chest in ootp.--Eateroftheflame 21:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

1) - It says in the book that "both women were fighting to kill".

2) - There is a parallel drawn in the book between Sirius just before he died and Bellatrix.

3) - JKR said in this interview that she had always intended that Molly would be the one to "finish off" Bellatrix.

Nick O'Demus 05:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Birth date

Only the year is known from the family tree. I think the day is fanfiction. --Rodolphus 13:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It's so many mistakes... Bellatrix was born 1951, when her father had 13 years???

what do u mean 13 years? he would hav been 23 or 22 when bellatrix was born. --User:SEATTLE♥WIZARD

What about the fact that this defies canon? her birthday in 1951, even if it was late '51, would put her out of Hogwarts by the time Sirius began Hogwarts. And in Book 4 Sirius mentions that the Lestranges, a couple in Azkaban, were friends with Snape when Snape attended Hogwarts. This can't work timewise, if Bellatrix would already be out of school, and since the quote is in the book while the family tree is not, the information in the book should be used first, since the book is the series' canon, not the family tree. Her birthday should be fixed to this timeline or omitted due to information conflicting each other. --SilverDrama 11:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

J.K Rowling has accepted that this is a mistake of her own. she had acknowledged that maths is not her strong point. ShirleyA^{(The Quibbler)} 11:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sirius described Snape as "part of a gang of Slytherins who nearly all turned out to be Death Eaters" (GoF27). I interpret this to mean that while Bellatrix and Snape didn't attended Hogwarts together, they ran with some of the same people, like Lucius, who was between them in age. Lucius was in his fifth or sixth year in Snape's first (DH32), and presumably would've been a first year in Bellatrix's third or fourth.

Also, the Black family tree comes directly from Rowling, and is considered canonical under our canon policy. ★ Starstuff ^{(Owl me!)} 01:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image

People seem to be repeatedly changing the image in the infobox, so I thought we should actually discuss which is preferable - the promotional shot, or the mugshot? Personally, I prefer the promotional shot for consistency reasons. Those are the ones used in the infoboxes for Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Sirius, etc. The mugshot is a good image, though, so it should appear in the article somewhere else, if possible. Oread 03:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, most of them have the promotional images so I'm for using that and moving the mug shot to somewhere else. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 04:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Per DJ. The promotional shot should be used over the mugshot. The mugshot should be incorporated into the article somewhere else. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 07:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wow, update

They've released a number of photos and such from the trailers and stuff to put in here. We need to get them on here. JediNTT307 21:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wand

The Info box had her wand as Walnut, 12 3/4", dragon heartstring. However at the bottom of both her info page and in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows it states that her wand is Walnut, 10", dragon heartstring, so I have changed it as such. Revan46 20:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No... Her wand is 12 & 3/4", according to DH. I'll change it back. -- Seth Cooper ^{(Owl Post)} 20:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Images

The whole point of putting images in articles is to enhance them, not make them look worse by cramming as many as possible into a single page. The article looks ridiculous, and the new main image is hideous. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 18:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Voldemort Right Hand

Judging from the quote on the top of her page, I'd consider her Voldemort's second-in-command. This seems appropriate to note somewhere, despite the fact its not official, I think its a bit obvious. I won't just put it on there, though, just curious if anyone else feels the same. Also, why is it speculation that Bella envied the trust Voldemort had in Snape? If he gave her one of his Horcruxes, I think that means he trusts her just a bit more even if they are both among his top Death Eaters. I just think it would be better to recognize her as a valuable disciple and even Tom's right hand instead of just a phsyco obsessed with him, which she is, but it seems like it dismisses her importance just a little. --Mateo22 19:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, anyone?? --Mateo22 17:33, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Such Good Images

I understand that there have been disputes about Bella's images. The current one should not be changed, since it's the best quality and most current, but as for the others, doesn't this wikia use image galleries on pages? The images could be moved there and neaten out the page. --Mateo22 20:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol.Bellatix's personal gallery--TheAngryEnglishDude 21:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "image galleries on pages", but most pics of Bellatrix should be tagged with the Images of Bellatrix Lestrange category. - 16:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that Images page provided is actually the kind of thing I was looking for: a gallery featuring all available images of the character. What I was talking about was that kind of gallery of images, but placed in a section on the character's page in organized fashion rather than spread all over different paragraphs. Some wikis I work on do that, but others also do what this one does with those images, so nevermind what I suggested. What's being done with character images currently is just fine. --Mateo22 17:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ah, hello??

Can someone please answer the last two sections I've posted? It's been a while, ya know, and I still haven't gotten a reply. --Mateo22 16:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

The quote on Relationships/Albus Dumbledore should not be included. It is non-canon.--Rodolphus 16:04, October 10, 2009 (UTC)