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"However, if Araminta was Walburga's first cousin, it can be presumed that she was related through Walburga's mother, Irma Black (née Crabbe), as Walburga's father, Pollux Black, had three siblings, of whom only his sister Dorea married and had a son." I clearly don't understand this sentence: there's no reason than family Crabbe is all reported on the black family tree so this is not possible, isn't it ? --   Famini    talk    contribs   18:54, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that Araminta's parent was a sibbling of Irma --Rodolphus 19:01, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

No it's not possible. Irma is not née Black, there's no chance her family to be written on the tree, she's only written because she is married to a Black, but her sisters or brothers or others are not on the tree. I don't undertand your logic at all. --   Famini    talk    contribs   19:22, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with User:Famini71. I have a theory concerning Araminta Meliflua's identity. In the Black family tree tapestry, they appear all the people with the Black surname and the sons or daughters of a female Black(like Draco Malfoy). Sirius labeled Arthur Weasley as his seond cousin "once removed". When Sirius mentioned Araminta to Harry, he did not labeled her as a "removed" cousin of his mother's. This means that she was on Walburga Black's same generation, thus, that she was Walburga's first or second cousin, so, she could not have been Herbert and Belvina Burke's daughter.

It is more likely that she was Callidora Black or Charis Black's daughter. Nonetheless there was no relation ever mentioned between Araminta with the Longbottom family and the Longbottoms family were never considered supremacist. So, in my opinion, Araminta was one of Charis and Caspar Crouch's daughters, married with a man member of the Meliflua family and sister of Bartemius Crouch Sr.

Also, I think that Araminta was member of the Wizengamot or at least a high officer within the Ministry of Magic, since she herself proposed a Ministry Bill, which was going to make Muggle hunting, legal. Phoenix Arcturus Black 21:16, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

While I think this might be slightly out there, could it be possible that Araminta was married to a cousin of Walburga? If the "son of Dorea and Charlus" is not James, then Araminta may be married to that man and be a "cousin-in-law" of Sirius. He didn't specify that Elladora was a great-aunt, he just called her "Aunt Elladora" so could have been doing the same thing for Araminta. HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 09:25, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

As Walburga has only one cousin - namely that of Charlus and Dorea Potter's offspring - can we saw that Araminta was married to a cousin (providing Charlus and Dorea's offspring is not James) or married to a an offspring of Cassiopeia? We know she cannot be related through Marius - disowned people's offspring are not shown.--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 20:13, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Surname

The "Wizard's Challenge" at the Scholastic site gives her name as "Araminta Melliflua [sic] Black", the same as "Phineas Nigellus Black". Is it thus her middle name or a second first name? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 00:13, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I've detected that the Wizard's Challenge has a few other misconceptions in its questions (one question calls Madam Pince a "Hogwarts teacher", other has a too simplistic definition of Muggle - "a non magical person" - which would also apply to a Squib). It's nothing ever too serious, however, I'm not entirely sure if "Araminta Meliflua Black" is not another.
The fact that she does not appear in the Black family tree published by Rowling makes me somewhat uneasy about it. Can we add it to BTS that, according to "Wizard's Challenge", her surname is Black, but that, given her absence from the published family tree, there has been no additional confirmation (given that two cousins do not necessarily have the same surname)? --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 21:49, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
I figured it was possible she was in one of the older generations, since it was in the older ones where the two given names appeared ("Alexia Walkin", "Phineas Nigellus"). Either way, I suppose I would approve of a change to the page. --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 22:20, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
It isn't possible that she is in an older gereration because she is described as a cousin of Walburga's, I take that to mean that they're in the same generation. Also even though she didn't appear on the tree in the movie or the one that was drawn by Rowling, it's still implied that she was on the one in the book. Maybe JK Rowling forgot to find a place for her (there are a lot of contradictions on the tree). I think that if there's nothing to contradict her last name as Black, we should keep it as her last name. You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off! (talk) 18:53, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
We definitely know that Araminta is in Walburga's generation; Sirius describes her, explicitly, as "cousin of my mother's".--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 20:13, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
But what about "dear aunt Elladora", who exists nowhere on the Black family tree as Sirius's aunt, but rather several generations further up the line? This could be another example. Another possibility, or probability rather, is that she is one of the children whose names aren't given? --Hunnie Bunn (talk) 20:54, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Aye, but "Aunt Elladora" we assume was just Sirius simplifying things. With Araminta Sirius explicitly knows who she is - he explicitly states with whom she is "cousin of my Mother" and what she did (attempting to pass a Muggle hunting/banning bill) - so we can be relatively sure he's not simplifying anything. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 21:03, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

We wouldn't know if he was simplifying "nth cousin, x-times removed" as "cousin", though. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 01:19, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
Admittedly, true, but I don't think he is given how much detail he goes into the woman; by all the detail he gives it's likely he met her. --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 04:48, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

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