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Due to a discussion raised [[Harry Potter Wiki talk:Canon#A Change to the Policy|here]] on the [[Harry Potter Wiki:Canon|Canon Policy]] talk page, a vote is being tabled to decide whether or not to change our current policy regarding the Canon status of various media within the Harry Potter universe as it is presented on this Wiki.
 
Due to a discussion raised [[Harry Potter Wiki talk:Canon#A Change to the Policy|here]] on the [[Harry Potter Wiki:Canon|Canon Policy]] talk page, a vote is being tabled to decide whether or not to change our current policy regarding the Canon status of various media within the Harry Potter universe as it is presented on this Wiki.
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==Voting==
 
==Voting==
 
===In favour of adopting the new policy===
 
===In favour of adopting the new policy===
#I am not aiming to cause a serious overhall to this wiki. Read my above comments about the two Situations [a] and [b]. If [b] is selected, then language is unchanged. Most articles would not be drastically affected and the content will be completely unchanged. All versions i.e. films and games will remain, just not considered canon. Remember, Rowling herself accepts that her books and the films are "separate entities". Therefore, "Rowling's word is law" is hypocritical to a combined universe. [[User:Yin&amp;Yang|Yin&amp;Yang]]
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#I am not aiming to cause a serious overhall to this wiki. Read my above comments about the two Situations [a] and [b]. If [b] is selected, then language is unchanged. No article would be drastically affected and the content will be completely unchanged. All versions i.e. films and games will remain, just not considered canon. Remember, Rowling herself accepts that her books and the films are "separate entities". Therefore, "Rowling's word is law" is hypocritical to a combined universe. [[User:Yin&amp;Yang|Yin&amp;Yang]]
   
 
===Against adopting the new policy===
 
===Against adopting the new policy===
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#Changing the canon policy at this stage in the wiki's history would be highly counter-productive.[[User:Jayce Carver|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#406B2E">J</font><font face="Microsoft Sans Serif"><font color="#8DB87A">a</font><font color="#406B2E">y</font><font color="#8DB87A">c</font><font color="#406B2E">e</font></font>]] <sup><font face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:8;">[[File:Darkmark.png|25px]]•[[User_Talk:Jayce Carver|<font color="#406B2E">Avada Kedavra</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Jayce Carver|<font color="#8DB87A">Crucio</font>]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Jayce Carver|<font color="#406B2E">Imperio</font>]]•</font></sup> 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 
#Changing the canon policy at this stage in the wiki's history would be highly counter-productive.[[User:Jayce Carver|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#406B2E">J</font><font face="Microsoft Sans Serif"><font color="#8DB87A">a</font><font color="#406B2E">y</font><font color="#8DB87A">c</font><font color="#406B2E">e</font></font>]] <sup><font face="Arial" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:8;">[[File:Darkmark.png|25px]]•[[User_Talk:Jayce Carver|<font color="#406B2E">Avada Kedavra</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Jayce Carver|<font color="#8DB87A">Crucio</font>]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Jayce Carver|<font color="#406B2E">Imperio</font>]]•</font></sup> 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 
#I think the wiki is fine the way it is and changing the policy could possibly do more harm than good to the wiki. -[[User:Smonocco|Smonocco]] 00:27, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 
#I think the wiki is fine the way it is and changing the policy could possibly do more harm than good to the wiki. -[[User:Smonocco|Smonocco]] 00:27, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
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#Quite frankly, it's more work than it's worth. While I don't want to take sides in this, (both proposals have their advantages and disadvantages) I think Yin's suggestion is going to take too much work, so I'm opposing. [[User:Quidditch Lover|<font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color=gold>Q</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">u</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">i</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">d</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">d</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">i</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">t</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">c</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">h</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">L</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">o</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">v</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">e</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="green">r</font color>]][[File:Snitch 2.jpg|60px]]<sup>[[User talk:Quidditch Lover|<font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color="gold">(My <font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color=green>talk)</font>]]</font>[[Special:Contributions/Quidditch Lover|<font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color=gold>(cont</font color><font face="Script MT Bold" size=3 color=green>ribs)</font color></sup>]] 03:06, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
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#I agree with previous commentators that it's this wiki's broad and inclusive definition of canon that sets it apart from other references like the Lexicon. The proposed changes to the canon policy would have a drastic impact on content and would require a considerable amount of work to implement fully. I believe it is possible for the current canon policy to be modified to address most of the concerns that were raised. <font color="Green">&#x2605;</font color> [[User:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="green">S</font color><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font color><font face="Times" color="green">a</font color><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">r</font color><font face="Times" color="green">s</font color><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">t</font color><font face="Times" color="green">u</font color><font face="Times" color="dimgrey">f</font color><font face="Times" color="green">f</font color>]] <sup>[[User talk:Starstuff|<font face="Times" color="darkgreen">(Owl me!)</font>]]</sup> 01:37, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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#I agree that, at least at the present time, the current canon policy makes the most sense, and makes this wiki more in-depth then other HP encyclopedias. The current policy should definately stay, in my opinion. ----[[User:Parodist|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="#b8860b" size="4">Parodist </font>]][[File:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]]<sup>([[User talk:Parodist|<font face="Times" color="#a52a2a">Send me an Owl</font>]])</sup> 17:52, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
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#I think, the Canon Policy is brilliant now. Don't change it--[[User:Thorning|Thorning]] 17:58, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
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#<s>I think that the current policy is fine. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 02:20, November 26, 2009 (UTC)</s>
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
The proposition given by Yin&Yang would make worst in the structure of the page of Hundred articles because if we follow it, It Does mean that we should place the "Out of universe" template in all articles derived from movies and video games. You know, since i saw that template in the page of [[J.K. Rowling]], i always thought that if one time she visit this site and what if she read her own page. The "Out of universe" template would possibly be a big insult to her. We all know that all informations in Harry Potter's world are came from her. Sometimes, i want to ask the administrators about this but i don't because on the second thought, i also want to respect the existing Canon Policy here. --[[User:You-Know-Who|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC</font>]][[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]]<sup>([[User talk:You-Know-Who|<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl!</font>]])</sup> 23:43, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
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The proposition given by Yin&Yang would make worst in the structure of the page of Hundred articles because if we follow it, It Does mean that we should place the "Out of universe" template in all articles derived from movies and video games. You know, since i saw that template in the page of [[J. K. Rowling]], I always thought that if one time she visit this site and what if she read her own page. The "Out of universe" template would possibly be a big insult to her. We all know that all informations in Harry Potter's world are came from her. Sometimes, i want to ask the administrators about this but i don't because on the second thought, i also want to respect the existing Canon Policy here. --[[User:You-Know-Who|<font face="Monotype Corsiva" size="4" color="darkblue">ÈnŔîčö DC</font>]][[Image:Ravenclawcrest.jpg|25px]]<sup>([[User talk:You-Know-Who|<font face="Times" color="brown">Send me an Owl!</font>]])</sup> 23:43, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
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Funnily enough, I think that is the main reason why so many people oppose my idea, Quidditch Lover - 'it's too much work'. This isn't aimed at you only Quidditch, but that really shouldn't be the focus point here because (a) this is for the good of the wiki and (b) it wouldn't take more work effort to add tags to certain pages than going about our day-to-day editing anyway. Think about it, would it seriously take so long to add an 'out-of universe' tag to the top of a page after visiting it? It would literally take no longer than a minute. There is no time frame to when all the (film/game-based) pages would have to be covered, either. So long as the "project" is underway, it doesn't matter if it took a year (which I doubt it would with all the dedicated wiki members here) to tag the necessary pages. The majority of the articles in this wiki are book-related so there aren't as many articles in need of tagging as you all might think. I hope this helps to put things in perspective. Just so you know, when this is all over, I hope there won't be any animosity between us; this is a strictly political debate, right?--[[User:Yin&amp;Yang|Yin&amp;Yang]] 07:12, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
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Of course it is. What you may not have realised is - when someone votes against your proposal, or diagrees with you in a forum discussion - it's not because they hold any animosity towards you. It's because they don't agree with what you're saying. Period. Everyone just fights for what they believe in. It's never personal. Just as long as you accept the community's decision once the vote's closed. [[User:Jayden Matthews|Jayden Matthews]] 12:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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I promised I would and I am a man of my word, trust me;) I'm sure I have been out-voted anyway (as you can probably tell by now), but I have recently had a small discussion with Starstuff on the talk page of the [[Harry Potter Wiki:Canon]] article in which he has said that he once felt as I do now about the way the policy includes all-facets of the Harry Potter universe as one; but he also implied that it is too late to change anything now the way I've suggested it. That, I can understand. So I explained that the ignition for this debate started with a discussion I had a while ago with Seth in which I tried to remove a part of the [[Bellatrix Lestrange]] article that states that she was present at the Battle of the Astronomy Tower. The method I suggested of changing the policy was the only way I could think of to even that particular page out. So, Starstuff mentioned that that wouldn't be necessary if the Policy could be slightly altered to make it a more stringent Canon policy capable of accomodating the Bellatrix, Sirius and Ollivander arguments previously discussed. I think he's right. Your thoughts? -- [[User:Yin&amp;Yang|Yin&amp;Yang]] 13:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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I won't vote, because I do think all parts of the Harry Potter universe are important. Yet, I think the movie and video game pages should be very separate, as in mentioned on different pages, i.e. "Bellatrix" and "Bellatrix (Movies)" or something. Yet, going through and simply mentioning it's in a different context is silly, sorry Yin&Yang. I personally think it's pointless. If you can't tell the difference in what happens in the books and movies, you probably shouldn't be here, contributing. I think a new policy would be a lot of work, but not too much trouble. Instead of using the "Out-of-Universe" terms, like you said, J.K. herself would be included in that, we should make completely different pages probably. I haven't been around this website for very long, but it seems some book/movie discrepancies should be explained, not just in forums. If you made two different sections, that didn't cross-relate over book/movie/video games, it would probably be the most effective if you were doing a complete overhaul like Yin&Yang said. Sorry if this didn't make much sense to you, I wrote it the best I could. -- [[User:LaurNelson]] 19:46, November 23, 2009
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LaurNelson, I understand what you're saying, but I think your idea of creating new pages for each character that exists in both the films and the books would require even more work than what my original idea suggested. What I have said, although you seemed to have overlooked it, is that the idea of categorising certain pages as non-canonical was a bid to try and correct the overlapping contradictions present in the cases of Bellatrix Lestrange, Ollivader and so on. Since, I have had a discussion with Starstuff and we both seem to agree that rather than alter the definition of canon, we as a community should devise a way of tightening the loose-ends in the policy that make cross-overs between two very different storylines. Also, I never said I had trouble distinguishing the books from the films. On the contrary, I am very conscious of the differences between the two versions. I am just trying to prevent any misconstrusion that may occur to other wiki visitors; I'm very meticulous when it comes to presenting the right information so I do my best to make sure all the other Harry Potter fans understand the story fully. This is, I am undoubtedly sure, the ultimate goal of the other users on this site.--[[User:Yin&amp;Yang|Yin&amp;Yang]] 08:46, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
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