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Does anyone know the identities of the unknown Death Eaters in the film version of OOTP? I thought they might be listed in the cast, but I can't seem to find them. I thought it would be good to have images of them in their respective articles, if we can identify them that is. Here's one I found, I think it's supposed to be Dolohov, but i'm not sure.

. Jayce Carver ^Talk 13:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, no source identifies which Death Eater is supposed to be which. With the release of the next couple of films, we may have something to compare them with if they keep the same actors. This list only identifies them as Death Eaters, although one is played by Peter Best, who also played the Executioner (who we know to be McNair) in Prisoner of Azkaban. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 14:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, he appears to be the one in the Photo. Does that make this man Walden Macnair by default, as we know he participated in the battle. Jayce Carver ^Talk 14:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that makes the Death Eater holding Luna Walden Macnair. I would think that Antonin Dolohov was the Death Eater holding Hermione (based on the novel version of the battle), but since the film version differed considerably, I'm not sure. Oread 14:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I've found another image with one of the unknown Death Eaters (left of Lucius Malfoy). I think it's the same one who was holding Ron a little earlier in the film, but I have no idea who it's supposed to be. Oread07:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice image. No the one that was holding Ron was a lot older and had a bushy beard. I've just checked the clip out on Youtube and this guy was the one that was holding Hermoine. There was one with slicked back black hair that was holding Ginny, Macnair had Luna, Bellatrix had Neville, there was an older guy with curly gray hair and beard that had Ron in a headlock. As the (apparently) oldest of the group, I think the one with Ron was supposed to Dolohov, and the two younger guys are Rabastan and Rodolphous, but who knows. If we could get images of all of them it would be great. Also there was a number of Death Eaters who didnt take their masks off at all, do we know the full list of Death Eaters who took part in that battle? Ps, Who hasn't seen the new trailer yet, if not get on Youtube and watch it straight away, it's awesome, it shows the Death Eaters brining down the Millenium Bridge and tearing through the streets of London. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just realised, this guy was also in the Azkaban breakout scene. He was the same cell as Bellatrix and was licking his Dark Mark, I think this leads some evidence to the Lestrange theory, he was probably Rodolphous himself. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

We know the full list of Death Eaters who took part in the battle in the novel, but it seems as if fewer than 12 appeared in the movie version. They were:

• Lucius -- threatening Harry and not holding anyone
• Bellatrix -- holding Neville
• Macnair -- holding Luna
• Rodolphus --  holding Ginny
• Dolohov -- holding Hemirone
• Rabastan -- holding Ginny (?)
• Rookwood
• Avery Jr.
• Nott
• Jugson
• Mulciber
• Crabbe

I agree that your Lestrange theory probably fits best, given that the same actor played the person in Bellatrix's cell (is it this guy I managed to find a picture of?). Since the film did not include all the details from the book, it would make sense if they prioritized including the Lestranges. The only thing is, if we try to follow the books, it would make more sense if the Rodolphus and Dolohov figures were reversed. In the novel version of the battle, Dolohov attacked Hermione and dueled with Sirius (and the above actor played the Death Eater who held Hermione and briefly fights Sirius), whereas Rodolphus was part of the group that tracked Ron, Ginny and Luna. Of course, the scene is so wildly different in the film that that could be entirely irrelevant... Oread 01:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well they appear to be the same guy. I don't think we can use the book to allocate them identites, like you said the two scenes are just two diffrent. Although I agree from a film makers perspective it makes sense that putting the two other guys in the same cell as Bellatrix creates the imperssion that they are the Lestrange brothers, so it was probably intentional. I'am going to try and find images of the other two. Jayce Carver ^Talk09:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's another image, terrible quality I know, but it illustrates the point. This I think is Dolohov. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that we can be pretty certain those two are the Lestrange brothers. I'll try to find images of the others as well... Oread 16:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Right a breakthrough. I've identified the actor who plays Ron's captor, Richard Cubison. According to his article here, as well as a few others on Harry Potter fansites, Antonin Dolohov is played by Richard Cubison, I'm not sure if it's concreate, but were getting somewhere at last. Jayce Carver ^Talk 20:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. The actor shown in the Azkaban break-out is Arben Bajraktaraj -- Rodolphus or Rabastan, though I'm guessing the former, since it would make more sense for Bellatrix to be with her husband than her brother-in-law. The other actors IMDB lists as Death Eaters are Tav MacDougall and Richard Trinder. The latter (I've confirmed it's him based on his filmography) has a video on YouTube; do you recognize which Death Eater he was? Oread 20:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, unless I'm much mistaken thats the guy who holds Ginny. Jayce Carver ^Talk 22:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so from what I can tell we've confirmed the identities of two of them:

• Richard Cubison = Jugson = guy holding Ron hostage
• Peter Best = Walden Macnair = guy holding Luna hostage
• I'm disagreeing with Dolohov, because in Deathly Hallows Part 1. Dolohov attacks the trio and he is younger. Dolohov holds Hermirone and Rodolphus holds Ron. I am probably wrong but.....

And we're pretty certain that:

• Arben Bajraktaraj = Rodolphus Lestrange = guy holding Hermione hostage
• Richard Trinder = Rabastan Lestrange = guy holding Ginny hostage

We only need to figure out who Tav MacDougall played -- I'm not sure how we can narrow him down, though. Oread 00:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I've figured it out. They all wear masks in the hall of phrophecy, when they get into the death chamber they take their masks off, except one guy who doesn't have a captive. This guy gets slamed into the wall by tonks when she apparates into the room, and later gets a blast from Moody's staff which sends him over the edge of the death chamber. This must be the one played by Tav MacDougall. We will unlikely ever know his identity but at least we can eliminate him from our enquiry. Well we've confirmed two eliminated one and have another two who we are fairly certain of, now we just need to find good quality pic's of them all. Jayce Carver ^Talk 08:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Ş

I've adjusted the appropriate articles and images in line with our conclusions. I didn't add the picture of Richard Cubison/Antonin Dolohov with Ron, in case we manage to find a better-quality image. So I'll try looking for that as well as Richard Trinder/Rabastan Lestrange holding Ginny. Oread 15:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

What about the guy who longbottom defeated in the hall of prohocies (bad spelling sorry) the guy looks bald also he may be Tav who could of played Jugson or Rookwood (also Crabbe and Goyle were unmasked in the fourth movie I was suprised not to see pics of them.) also their were more than just five death eaters in the Hall I counted many of them were probaly stunt men. for good pics check out Screencaps thier pretty good and at one point a DE was chasing harry he was unmasked he also could have been Tav but he looks alot like Roldolphus. (72.228.58.32 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC))

As far as I can tell, there's no way for us to identify all the others, especially since only six of the actors portraying Death Eaters are identified in the film credits (Helena Bonham Carter, Jason Isaacs, Richard Cubison, Peter Best, Arben Bajraktaraj, and Tav MacDougall). Oread 01:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I know that I was just saying that Thier were alot of deatheaters and they wouldn't have credited one with no face time like the one Moody toke down but at one point Longbottom puts an unmasked Bald deatheater in a full body bind before every one got cought this is probaly the one Tav plays thats all I just started to rample (72.228.58.32 03:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC))

I'm uploading some better quality stils of the death eaters. -- Seth Cooper ^{Owl Post} 17:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I completely forgot about the bald one who neville puts in a full body bind curse. Yes, that must be the one played by Tav, the guy who chases Harry down the hall of prophecy is Rodolphus. I'm sure you're right, it would not make sense for the other masked ones to be credited, and they probably are played by stunt men. Jayce Carver ^Talk 14:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing that Tav played Rookwood because he dosen't have a partner when you see the other death Eaters in that area they are 2 close by Malfoy and DE who attacks Luna or the 2 who attack Ron Harry and Hermonie one of wich I think was Rodolphus. also Crabbe Goyle and Avery were cast in GOF and if they brought back Peter Best theyed probaly bring them back (72.228.58.32 01:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

How do you know he was Rookwood, though? In the novel, there were twelve Death Eaters involved. From the movies, we've matched six actors with six characters. Tav MacDougall could have been any of the remaining six. Oread 04:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well in the Novel Nott was taken out before the chase so he would have been one of the guys that were stunned before they ran. next Malfoy was teamed up with Mulciber in the book so the DE who appeared and attacked Luna right after Malfoy is stunned was probaly Mulciber. then thier are the two who attack Harry Ron and Herimone Since after the first guy is taken out Rodolphus showed up probaly meant that it was his brother making the other guy who was being hit by orbs Crabbe that leaves Rookwood and Avery and since Avery is snapes age he wouldn't be Bald of course the Movie makers probaly didn't even bother naming them making it the actors who gave them the names. (72.228.58.32 15:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

I don't think we can rule out Mulciber simply because he is bald, people do shave their heads you know. Jayce Carver ^Talk 16:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I ruled out Avery because he was bald Mulciber was the guy who attacked Luna right after Malfoy was hit since they were partners. and since Macnair and Dolovhov made it to the Death room Jugson and Avery were probaly the DEs who were masked and taken out by moody and one of the order in their Aparated form. and the Three guys who attacked Harry Ron and Hermy were most likely the Lestrange brothers and Crabbe Since the unmasked one was Rodolhus, Rabaston was probaly one of the other two ethier the one harry takes out or the one being hit by orbs since he was partnered with crabbe would be ether one or the other, as I said above Nott wasn't in the chase in the book and was probaly stunned in the beganing. Also the Bald guy wasn't saved the was defintly Bald Bald that leaves Rookwood even though I strongly belived Rookwood was the guy holding Ron but movies never get bad guys right.(72.228.58.32 16:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

We can't rule out anybody because their bald. The film and book versions of the battle are too diffrent to identify the Death Eaters your way. And through the actor playing him we've confirmed that the Death Eater holding Ron is Antonin Dolohov Jayce Carver ^Talk 16:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm Not ruling any one out by being bald I was talking about age Avery and Mulciber are snapes age and snape like late 30s this guy looks early 50s Nott is 70 I belive thats what JK said. what about the guys from GOF 7 were umasked and Malfoy Crabbe Goyle and Macnair were named Also Avery was flimed but his Toruted Scence was cut the Actor was to the far left and you can tell were they cut it I belive Nott was their as well seeing as their was and Older deatheater with a Cane and if the brought back Peter Best why not these guys so that leaves Rookwood and Jugson. Jugson being Mentioned once is easly forgotten (72.228.58.32 17:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

I don't think we can use the actors ages to allocate them identities. After all, Alan Rickman, who plays Snape is in his sixties, despite his character being in his thirties. see what I mean. Jayce Carver ^Talk 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I know just saying he probaly wasn't Nott (and you used age logic on the Lestrange brothers) or the guys cast in GOF (Crabbe Goyle Macnair Avery and maybe Nott) also well see Rookwood in the 7th movie when he kills Fred also Tav has said he plays Travers which makes no scense since travers was never their unless travers is a first name(72.228.58.32 19:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

He said that? Do you have a source? Jayce Carver ^Talk 19:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Its on the Main wiki in List of Harry Potter Cast members the sorce they got it from no longer exsists though. its probaly one of those us the actors name for the extra the do it alot on other movies (72.228.58.32 20:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

It's authentic. Well that's all of them. We just need a picture of Tav to go on the Travers article, and then we can move on to the GoF Death Eaters, which should be a lot easier, as Voldemort says their names before pulling their masks off. Jayce Carver ^Talk 20:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and their are only 7 of them before the Harry Voldy face off anyway and one is a female DE leaving 6 guysand If Im not mistaken only six DE's were mentioned in the book Nott Crabbe Malfoy Goyle Avery and Macnair. out of these guys four were named in this oder Crabbe Macnair Goyle and Malfoy but all 7 were unmasked leaving Avery and Nott to be the other 2 Actors Avery was played by Richard Rubber Rithie Rosson His torture scence was cut but he's still standing in the circle I belive to the Far left That leaves Nott as the The DE to Malfoys left and to the Chicks right I believe he ha a cane so the Circle I belive goes from lefft to right Avery Crabbe Macnair Goyle Chick Nott and far right Malfoy (72.228.58.32 23:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

I've just had a thought. Doesn't Rodolphus have a picture on the Black Family tree? We have images of much lesser known and more obscure members. I think they come from the second disk of the OotP dvd. If such an image does exist it would confirm or refute Rodolphus's appearance, and would be usefull in his article. Jayce Carver ^Talk 08:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

What part of the DVD is the Tree in I don't remember it is it on the Blu Ray version? (72.228.58.32 00:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC))

The Tree is the main menu of the 2nd DVD. The camera goes through a section of the tree and then stops at the other section where are the main options. When the camera passes the names, some images of black family members a re shown. Guess I'll have a look for it. -- Seth Cooper ^{Owl Post} 18:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, only Blacks have a picture. Only Rodolphus' name was present, under Bellatrix's name (on those little pieces of parchment) -- Seth Cooper ^{Owl Post} 18:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok on the the fourth movie Death Eaters

• 1 Avery played by Richard Rubber Rithcie Rossom seen far right in circle tortuer scence cut
• 2 Crabbe first to get mask removed
• 3 Goyle Third to get mask removed
• 4 Nott guy to Malfoys left has Cane
• 5 Malfoy we already know
• 6 Female Most likly Narcrissca since its a movie and I don't think at that point it had been stated that she wasn't
• 7 Mcnair second guy to get mask ripped off

From the research I have done, Arben is Antonin Dolohov. YES Peter IS Walden Macnair.

Holding Ronald Bilius Weasley: One of the Lestrange Brothers (Maybe Rodolphus)

Holding Ginny Weasley: Travers

Holding Neville Longbottom: Bellatrix Lestrange

Talking to Harry Potter: Lucius Malfoy

Holding Hermione Granger: Antonin Dolohov

Holding Luna Lovegood: Walden Macnair

Standing against the walls: Jugson, One of the Lestrange Brothers, Rookwood, Avery Jr, Crabbe, Jugson, Mulciber Jr, Nott Jr. (72.228.58.32 19:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC))