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Does anyone know the identities of the unknown Death Eaters in the film version of OOTP? I thought they might be listed in the cast, but I can't seem to find them. I thought it would be good to have images of them in their respective articles, if we can identify them that is. Here's one I found, I think it's supposed to be Dolohov, but i'm not sure.

. Jayce Carver ^Talk 13:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, no source identifies which Death Eater is supposed to be which. With the release of the next couple of films, we may have something to compare them with if they keep the same actors. This list only identifies them as Death Eaters, although one is played by Peter Best, who also played the Executioner (who we know to be McNair) in Prisoner of Azkaban. - Cavalier One^{(Wizarding Wireless Network)} 14:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, he appears to be the one in the Photo. Does that make this man Walden Macnair by default, as we know he participated in the battle. Jayce Carver ^Talk 14:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that makes the Death Eater holding Luna Walden Macnair. I would think that Antonin Dolohov was the Death Eater holding Hermione (based on the novel version of the battle), but since the film version differed considerably, I'm not sure. Oread 14:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I've found another image with one of the unknown Death Eaters (left of Lucius Malfoy). I think it's the same one who was holding Ron a little earlier in the film, but I have no idea who it's supposed to be. Oread 07:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice image. No the one that was holding Ron was a lot older and had a bushy beard. I've just checked the clip out on Youtube and this guy was the one that was holding Hermoine. There was one with slicked back black hair that was holding Ginny, Macnair had Luna, Bellatrix had Neville, there was an older guy with curly gray hair and beard that had Ron in a headlock. As the (apparently) oldest of the group, I think the one with Ron was supposed to Dolohov, and the two younger guys are Rabastan and Rodolphous, but who knows. If we could get images of all of them it would be great. Also there was a number of Death Eaters who didnt take their masks off at all, do we know the full list of Death Eaters who took part in that battle? Ps, Who hasn't seen the new trailer yet, if not get on Youtube and watch it straight away, it's awesome, it shows the Death Eaters brining down the Millenium Bridge and tearing through the streets of London. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just realised, this guy was also in the Azkaban breakout scene. He was the same cell as Bellatrix and was licking his Dark Mark, I think this leads some evidence to the Lestrange theory, he was probably Rodolphous himself. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

We know the full list of Death Eaters who took part in the battle in the novel, but it seems as if fewer than 12 appeared in the movie version. They were:

• Lucius -- threatening Harry and not holding anyone
• Bellatrix -- holding Neville
• Macnair -- holding Luna
• Rodolphus -- maybe holding Hermione
• Dolohov -- maybe holding Ron
• Rabastan -- holding Ginny (?)
• Rookwood
• Avery Jr.
• Nott
• Jugson
• Mulciber
• Crabbe

I agree that your Lestrange theory probably fits best, given that the same actor played the person in Bellatrix's cell (is it this guy I managed to find a picture of?). Since the film did not include all the details from the book, it would make sense if they prioritized including the Lestranges. The only thing is, if we try to follow the books, it would make more sense if the Rodolphus and Dolohov figures were reversed. In the novel version of the battle, Dolohov attacked Hermione and dueled with Sirius (and the above actor played the Death Eater who held Hermione and briefly fights Sirius), whereas Rodolphus was part of the group that tracked Ron, Ginny and Luna. Of course, the scene is so wildly different in the film that that could be entirely irrelevant... Oread 01:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well they appear to be the same guy. I don't think we can use the book to allocate them identites, like you said the two scenes are just two diffrent. Although I agree from a film makers perspective it makes sense that putting the two other guys in the same cell as Bellatrix creates the imperssion that they are the Lestrange brothers, so it was probably intentional. I'am going to try and find images of the other two. Jayce Carver ^Talk 09:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's another image, terrible quality I know, but it illustrates the point. This I think is Dolohov. Jayce Carver ^Talk 10:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that we can be pretty certain those two are the Lestrange brothers. I'll try to find images of the others as well... Oread 16:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Right a breakthrough. I've identified the actor who plays Ron's captor, Richard Cubison. According to his article here, as well as a few others on Harry Potter fansites, Antonin Dolohov is played by Richard Cubison, I'm not sure if it's concreate, but were getting somewhere at last. Jayce Carver ^Talk 20:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. The actor shown in the Azkaban break-out is Arben Bajraktaraj -- Rodolphus or Rabastan, though I'm guessing the former, since it would make more sense for Bellatrix to be with her husband than her brother-in-law. The other actors IMDB lists as Death Eaters are Tav MacDougall and Richard Trinder. The latter (I've confirmed it's him based on his filmography) has a video on YouTube; do you recognize which Death Eater he was? Oread 20:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, unless I'm much mistaken thats the guy who holds Ginny. Jayce Carver ^Talk 22:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so from what I can tell we've confirmed the identities of two of them:

• Richard Cubison = Antonin Dolohov = guy holding Ron hostage
• Peter Best = Walden Macnair = guy holding Luna hostage

And we're pretty certain that:

• Arben Bajraktaraj = Rodolphus Lestrange = guy holding Hermione hostage
• Richard Trinder = Rabastan Lestrange = guy holding Ginny hostage

We only need to figure out who Tav MacDougall played -- I'm not sure how we can narrow him down, though. Oread 00:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I've figured it out. They all wear masks in the hall of phrophecy, when they get into the death chamber they take their masks off, except one guy who doesn't have a captive. This guy gets slamed into the wall by tonks when she apparates into the room, and later gets a blast from Moody's staff which sends him over the edge of the death chamber. This must be the one played by Tav MacDougall. We will unlikely ever know his identity but at least we can eliminate him from our enquiry. Well we've confirmed two eliminated one and have another two who we are fairly certain of, now we just need to find good quality pic's of them all. Jayce Carver ^Talk 08:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Ş

I've adjusted the appropriate articles and images in line with our conclusions. I didn't add the picture of Richard Cubison/Antonin Dolohov with Ron, in case we manage to find a better-quality image. So I'll try looking for that as well as Richard Trinder/Rabastan Lestrange holding Ginny. Oread 15:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

What about the guy who longbottom defeated in the hall of prohocies (bad spelling sorry) the guy looks bald also he may be Tav who could of played Jugson or Rookwood (also Crabbe and Goyle were unmasked in the fourth movie I was suprised not to see pics of them.) also their were more than just five death eaters in the Hall I counted many of them were probaly stunt men. for good pics check out Screencaps thier pretty good and at one point a DE was chasing harry he was unmasked he also could have been Tav but he looks alot like Roldolphus. (72.228.58.32 01:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC))

As far as I can tell, there's no way for us to identify all the others, especially since only six of the actors portraying Death Eaters are identified in the film credits (Helena Bonham Carter, Jason Isaacs, Richard Cubison, Peter Best, Arben Bajraktaraj, and Tav MacDougall). Oread 01:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)