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In family information for Harry Potter, why does it not show Sirius Black? After all Sirius was his godfather, wasn't he? Same with Sirius Black's family information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noumik (talkcontribs).

A godparent is not generally considered a family member. A godparent is traditionally a person chosen to sponsor a child's baptism, and may be the chosen guardian for a child should something happen to his or her parents. See the policy on the family members in infoboxes for more information. Oread 02:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree i think that Sirus Black should be put within the family of Harry Potter as he is as Good as family in all of the books and films so i agree with Noumik--Hogwarts09 15:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yah! Sirius is considered as a family member to Harry Potter. But literally and in general, He is not a family member of the Potters. --ÈnŔîčöHallows(Send me an Owl) 20:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I was answering the question as to why Sirius was not in the infobox as a family member -- because godparents are not in the list of allowed relations in the policy that was established by vote some time ago.
If someone is proposing to change policy to include godparents, that's an entirely different matter. As far as that is concerned, I've yet to see any persuasive reasons. Sirius being "as good as family" to Harry does not make him actual family; likewise if Harry considers him to be like family. Harry has said he loves Hermione "like a sister", but this does not make her his sister. Molly has said Harry is "as good as" her son, but since she never actually adopted him, he is not her family member until he marries her daughter. Family relationships are defined by genetics and by law.
There may be room to argue that Sirius could be considered a family member because James and Lily intended him to be Harry's guardian if anything happened to them, and he would have taken custody of Harry if not for his false conviction and imprisonment. However, since he didn't ever become Harry's official guardian, he seems to have had no legal relationship with Harry. Can anybody show evidence that godparents are considered family members in British law or custom? Oread 21:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah well i still think that becuae James wanted Sirus to be Harry's gaurdian that he should be put in the info box but this is not the British Law or custom's it is the Wizarding world. Come On Who Agrees with me leave messages on my talkpage --Hogwarts09 18:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is the wizarding world, but there is still no proof that becoming a godparent constitutes a family relationship within the wizarding world. As I said before, even if Harry's parents did want Sirius to be Harry's guardian in the case of their deaths, he never did become his guardian. The Dursleys did.
I've tried to find any evidence that godparents are considered family members, without success. All the definitions I've found basically define a godparent as either (1) the sponsor of a child's baptism who takes responsibility for the child's religious education, and/or (2) the person the parents want to be the child's guardian in the event of their deaths. James and Lily seem to have meant the latter, but once again, Sirius never actually became Harry's legal guardian or adoptive parent.
I've found nothing that suggests that godparents are considered family members, either in fact or in the novels. Here is the discussion Remus and Harry have about Harry being Teddy's godfather in Ch. 25 of Deathly Hallows:
"You'll be godfather?" he said as he released Harry.
"M-me?" stammered Harry.
"You, yes, of course -- Dora quite agrees, no one better --"
"I -- yeah -- blimey --"
Harry felt overwhelmed, astonished, delighted; now Bill was hurrying to fetch wine, and Fleur was persuading Lupin to join them for a drink.
"I can't stay long, I must get back," said Lupin, beaming around at them all: He looked years younger than Harry had ever seen him. "Thank you, thank you, Bill."
They never discuss Harry being Teddy's guardian if something happens to them -- and, in fact, when they both die, Teddy's grandmother becomes his guardian, not Harry. There's no discussion of religion. There's no discussion of family. In fact, in the epilogue, Harry's daughter says this after Teddy is caught snogging their cousin Victoire:
"Oh, it would be lovely if they got married!" whispered Lily ecstatically. "Teddy would really be part of the family then!" (emphasis added)
That implies that Teddy was not really a part of the family, despite being Harry's godson and coming "round for dinner about four times a week". He would only really be a part of the family if he married Victoire. Therefore, there is nothing to suggest that godparents are considered family members either in real life or within the Harry Potter universe. Oread 19:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Harry Potter & Sirius Black

Can i ask why Sirius name was deleted from Harry's page as he was a legal guaidan from the fourth book onwards so i think that it should be leave. please Owl me back on my talk page with the topic of the post being what i left on here

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--Hogwarts09 11:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It was removed as per the policy laid out here. Godparents and godchildren will not be placed in infoboxes of any character, and will be removed. - Cavalier OneGryffindorcrest(Wizarding Wireless Network) 11:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The reasons are already explained well (by Oread) to you Hogwarts09, Please stop insisting what you want. --ÈnŔîčöHallows(Send me an Owl) 14:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)