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I realize it's been a while since the movie came out, but the reason Dumbledore planned his death was to make the Elder Wand lose it's power. Harry just breaks it in half. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.135.185.105‎ (talkcontribs).

I assume it was meant to be symbolic to the more casual viewer that Harry is making sure that no one would ever use the wand again. It works fine to say that in print, but something more visual is required for the screen. And wasn't Dumbledore's plan more to have someone who wouldn't be affected as much by his death (Snape) kill him instead of a purer soul (Malfoy)? I mean, he was going to die at the end of the year anyway. 1337star 22:07, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


The breaking of the Elder wand is not canonical. I don't believe that Harry could have broken it. When it would be so easy, why hasn't Dumbledore done it himself shortly before he died or begged Snape to do it after his death? That it is more impressive in the film to break the wand - Yes, that it is. Why should JKR let Harry say: When I am once dead without being defeated the power is broken, when he can do it with only breaking the wand? That's only for the film for a greater impression. Harry granger 22:18, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
The breaking of the elder wand is canon in the movie canon, and movie canon is clearly what the original question was about. Even in the book canon though, where was it even remotely suggested that the elder wand was unbreakable? It is just a piece of wood. Yes, it is the most powerful wand in the world, but that does not change the fact that it is just a wooden stick with some thestral hair in it. Dumbledore didn't know when he was going to die, and he still needed a wand. Asking Snape to break his wand would have been a weird request, and he assumed the wand would lose its power when Snape killed him anyway. The idea also wasn't that Malfoy had a purer soul than Malfoy. Snape has probably had plenty of time to feel remorse for the crimes he committed while working for Voldemort. He certainly felt plenty when Lily died. Snape, however, knew that Dumbledore wanted to die and would die anyway. Snape was essentially committing Euthanasia, which did harm his sould in the way that murder would have. Dumbledore's death was still necessary because he was going to die anyway, and he wanted Snape to remain an effective spy. If Snape hadn't killed him than Malfoy would have, ripping his own soul, or one of the death eaters would have, and Snape would have been found out.
Dumbledore knew that Voldemort would at some point find out about the twin cores between his and Harrys wand. He would then seek a more powerful wand to overcome this connection - the Elder Wand. Since Dumledore had it already, he wanted to break its power by not being defeated. By asking Snape to kill him, by planning this, Dumbledore intended that he - as the Wands owner - would not be defeated, so the Elder Wand should have lost its power. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.190.152.219 (talkcontribs).
No no everyone here is a little mistaken. So the plan Dumbledore concieved was never to destroy the wand merely to ensure the dark lord would not have an easy time finding it. When Dumbledore found out about the horcruxes(cruxi? or like "sheep"??) and their respective locations he came in contact with Marvalo Gaunt's ring. In his humbris he could not resist the urge to put it on and thus fell right into the ring's booby trap ie its death curse. The powerful magic of the ring was such that any who came into contact with it who put it on would be poisoned magically like with the cursed necklace. Sadly Dumbledore disregarded this warning and was cursed to the extent that not even he and Snape combined were able to do anything more than to contain the curse's spread throughout his body prolonging his death long enough to sort out his final affairs. So Dumbledore knew he was dying soon, he also knew Voldemort would have wanted the elder wand and since the wand has no real additional power unless it is won in a duel he knew eventually Riddle would come knocking. The idea was that the dark lord couldn't win it from him if he was already dead......at least mostly.......since Voldemort eventually did find that out he needed to duel the wand's owner by having Snape kill him it would make it seem that Severus had possession of the wand's allegiance and would not have suspected that poor incompetent Draco was the real owner. 67.183.100.160 09:13, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

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