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Of course, the most beautiful chapter of the whole harry potter series was the chapter King's cross... wen voldemort puts the killing curse, avada kedavra, it could kill only one person or one soul....but at that time harry standing there had two souls in his body..one of his own, whole and perfect and the other being the weak, severely destroyed soul of voldemort. When the choice of whose soul would get destroyed by the killing curse occurred, it had to be voldemort's. that child lying in the king's cross station was voldemort's soul which couldn't be helped!!! now the beauty of the scene... harry who has been struck by a killing curse goes into a trans stage also called as coma in the muggles world!!!! in coma or near death experience people often talk of tunnels and meetings with dead people!!! that is wat happens here.. harry goes to a tunnel or rather a station from wer he can either come back or move on....and he meets dumbledore who can explain everything to him.. when he finally decides to come back to fight... he awakens from the coma stage...and gains back his consiousness..he finds himself in the forest... the whole chapter being wat he sees in the near death experience so it is definitely going on in his mind.... hope that explains all..


I have no idea what happened in this chapter please could u explain it in GREAT GREAT detail please Tbail 01:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC) -->

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So, in Chapter 35 "King's Cross" Harry has been killed - or more to the point, the part of Voldemort's Soul that was attached to Harry when he tried to kill Harry as a baby, is killed. It's not entirely explained whether the place he is in is a sort of purgatory or whether it is all in his mind. I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Dumbledore then tells him that he can 'go on' or 'go back'. This simply means that he could choose to die or stay alive. Hope this helps. Lysander Scamander 20:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC) P.S. I'm back everyone =)


Harry finds himself alone and naked in an otherworldly place. Hearing noise, he wishes for and receives clothing, then notices a hideous, child-like creature, nude and with flayed-looking skin, curled up on the ground. Dumbledore appears and lovingly greets Harry. He explains that when Voldemort took some of Harry's blood as his own, he thereby tethered his life to Harry's; Harry cannot die while Voldemort lives. Because he willingly sacrificed himself, Harry also is protecting his friends, shielding them during the duels with Voldemort, just as Lily had protected Harry by sacrificing herself. Moreover, rather than killing Harry, Voldemort's curse destroyed the seventh Horcrux within Harry's body.
Dumbledore also guesses that the reason the two brother wands interacted as they did during Harry's escape from Privet Drive is that after Harry and Voldemort's blood was joined, their wands, already connected by identical magical cores, and now wielded by wizards who shared not only pieces of their souls but also their blood, merged even closer. Furthermore, during Harry and Voldemort's duel, Harry was the stronger; Voldemort feared death, while Harry embraced the possibility. Harry's wand thus imbibed some powers from Voldemort's, making it more powerful than Lucius Malfoy's wand. That wand, even when wielded by Voldemort, was easily overpowered by Harry's. But why then, Harry asks, was Hermione's wand able to break his? Dumbledore speculates that Harry's wand was abnormally powerful only when it was directed against Voldemort, who it sensed was Harry's mortal enemy, as well as being his blood kin.
Harry asks where they are, although he himself suggests it resembles a deserted King's Cross station. He then addresses more important issues: the Hallows. Dumbledore asks Harry's forgiveness for withholding information about the Deathly Hallows. Dumbledore says he was obsessed with the Hallows in his youth, eager to escape death, and equally eager to shine and attain glory, while Aberforth looked on in disgust. That is why he resented having to care for his mother and sister, and the reason he was so happy to befriend Gellert Grindelwald. The two young wizards bonded over their mutual search for the Deathly Hallows. An undefeatable wand would surely help them rise to power in the wizarding world. Dumbledore wanted the Resurrection Stone to reunite his family, but Grindelwald saw it as a means to procure an Inferi army. And while neither had much interest in the Invisibility Cloak, as both were proficient in disillusionment, Dumbledore thought it could be used to hide Ariana.
Their friendship was short-lived, however, and the two got into a fight, along with Aberforth, over Dumbledore's family. Somehow, a curse went astray and fatally hit Ariana. Grindelwald fled and started on his rampage, but Dumbledore delayed dueling him, fearing he might learn who actually killed Ariana. Eventually, and after much bloodshed and desperate pleas from the wizarding world, he felt obliged to confront his former friend and defeated him - thereby winning the Elder Wand. Dumbledore learned that Grindelwald lied to Voldemort when he said he never owned the Elder Wand, perhaps trying to protect Dumbledore in a belated remorseful act. Finally, when Dumbledore retrieved the Peverell Ring, knowing it was a Horcrux, and discovered that it was in fact the Resurrection Stone, he gave in to temptation and put the ring on. He says that he was hoping to once again see his mother and his sister. But putting it on his finger triggered a curse that was to claim his life within a year.
By withholding this information about the Hallows, Dumbledore hoped it would take Harry longer to find them, thus giving him more time to understand their true nature and avoid the temptation for greed and power that he had felt. Death's true master, he says, is the one who does not seek to run away from it.
Finally, Dumbledore tells Harry that he has a choice: if he chooses, he can head to a platform, and he would likely find a train that would take him onwards, or he can return to the living world for a chance to finish Voldemort. Harry chooses to return, but he first asks Dumbledore if their conversation has been real or is it only in his mind. Dumbledore responds, "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean it is not real?" -- Seth Cooper Moon (Owl Post) 20:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


Lovely chapter-pivotal point of Harry's story.Still Learning 12:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I could not agree more Still Learning. That was a very detailed analysis of that chapter. Might I add a small piece of information that you just left out? The fact that Dumbledore had no recognition of the place he and Harry were in implies that "to each his own". In other words, any other human being who may have entered this Purgatory-like dimension would have experienced a different view of the surroundings depending on their personality and interests. Dumbledore says himself, "This is, as they say, your party". For Harry, King's Cross epitomized the beginning of a journey that he took (almost) every year to the only place he ever truly felt at home: Hogwarts. This is the reason why, of all places, King's Cross Station was chosen (perhaps sub-consciously)as a medium for explaining the concept of moving "on" or the returning to the world of the living. By boarding the Hogwarts Express in this limbo world, Harry would have officially died. What is slightly strange about this chapter, though, is that Dumbledore and Harry are both implied to agree on the possibility that Voldemort might win and succeed in murdering Harry Potter. This, however, could not be true considering the fact that Harry remained immortal so long as Voldemort lived. Presumably, with Voldemort's death, Harry would have once again become mortal.

Funnily enough, as of the the chapter 'Flesh, Blood and Bone' in the Goblet of Fire, Harry was never in any real danger of dying. He was immortal and therefore wasted his time by ducking and weaving his way past Killing Curses during the last four books. This was probably the main reason why Dumbledore never planned to help Harry in any other way besides teaching him of Voldemort's past - he had utter faith in the fact that without the Horcruxes, Harry's most powerful attribute, love, would spare his life from any attack. Hence, had Voldemort repeatedly struck Harry with Avada Kedavra, Harry would have just kept on returning to life before finally hitting Voldemort with a Killing Curse of his own. This is all hypothetical of course. I think what I just described would detract from Harry's innocense a little. On the whole, Lord Voldemort/Tom Riddle/the Dark Lord/He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named/You-Know-Who, NEVER really had a chance against Harry Potter - the Boy Who Lived/the Chosen One - after the events of the Goblet of Fire. J.K Rowling, I tip my hat to you. What a genious.--Yin&Yang 13:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


Those answers were amazing! I would like to point out that if Harry did end up "going in a coma" as we muggles put it =) before Dumbledore's death would he still see Dumbledore? It is the connection of the souls that brought them to this place together, but would it matter if the physical body that hold's the soul was alive or dead? GinnyPi 02:19, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

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