Talk: Non-notable articles

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Every wand flagged as of 19:20 UTC

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Deleted. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 17:09, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I've gone through and flagged every obvious (well, obvious to me, anyway) breach of the notability policy. If no one sees anything of merit here, they should all be deleted. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 02:26, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

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Padma and Parvati Patil's wands

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Deleted. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 21:46, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Special case to the above discussion. While Parvati Patil's wand seems to fit the notability policy (has a unique design), her sister's does not. This obviously causes a unique problem for the group wand article (though I personally think this and the related Fred and George Weasley's wands article are unnecessary, but that's not directly a notability issue). -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 02:26, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

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Wrock bands

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Redirected to hub article. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 12:52, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to see we're finally moving on this. I'd be willing to go ahead and tackle the List of wrock bands article and then mark those wrock band articles that won't be sticking around under the new policy. It's rather later at night where I am, so I'll save it for tomorrow, but I should have it all done by tomorrow (Saturday) evening, unless someone else is really eager to take care of it and decides to handle it first. ProfessorTofty 03:13, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this is taking somewhat longer than expected because there are so many of these, and our information on them is so scant. Therefore, I basically had to go through each one and Google them to try to figure out whether or not they fit the guidelines, starting with the "two albums" criterion. The tour criterion was a bit harder since many (most?) of these bands are no longer even active, so I've tried to err a bit on the side of caution. Even so, out of close to sixty wrock bands that have articles on here, I ended up with around twenty that could be considered notable, so that thins the herd by 2/3. I'll go ahead and start marking the ones that are non-notable (I've copied the info on each one to a document saved on my computer) and I'll put together the actual List of wrock bands article tomorrow, or rather later today since it's after midnight where I am. P.S.: For those that actually are notable, we may want to consider investing a bit of time in improving them. Most of them just contain a brief description of what their name is a pun of in relationship to the Harry Potter series and little else, which doesn't make for very informative reading. ProfessorTofty 05:04, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

List of wrock bands article created and non-notable bands delinked on the Wizard rock article. Still to do - removing the links from various disambiguation pages. ProfessorTofty 05:28, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Links to these bands on disambiguation pages edited to link to the List of wrock bands instead. I also notice some on an old house points game archive page and on some user/user talk pages, but I'll leave these for the admins to decide whether or not anything needs to be done with those. I know Nick has been working on that. ProfessorTofty 01:20, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Unless there's anything else that needs to be done that I"m missing, these can all be deleted. Everything else has been handled. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:54, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Done (All non-notable wrock band articles redirected to List of wrock bands) ProfessorTofty (talk) 02:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

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Unidentified Quidditch Spectators

I'm currently in the process of tagging these, including the 1996 spectators that were created a while back and have been up for deletion for a long time. The older "Quidditch spectator" articles with pictures might be worth saving as part of a "hub" article, but the 1996 ones I think could just be deleted - there's really nothing worth saving there - no picture, just a mention of some random student that was heard shouting off-screen. ProfessorTofty 03:38, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Any further thoughts? Merge to a hub article or delete? I'd move them to a hub article just to be rid of them, but it would be a really uninteresting article. 1 - "This individual sat in the Quidditch stands" and shouted "Go, Weasley!" 2 - This individual sat behind individual 1 and shouted "Come on, Cormac." (sigh) ProfessorTofty (talk) 22:25, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

If anything, this should be (if not deleted), merged into a single article as in a collective character, seeing as info is pretty much all the same and there is lack of pictures - not a hub article, though. Something like "These individuals were Hogwarts students during the 1996-1997 school year and sat in the stands during... a.s.o." with a full transcription of all the quotes after the (admittedly) short lead paragraph. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 22:38, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

MyHogwarts.co.uk

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Deleted. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 00:32, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

This article needs to be taken care of asap. It does not satisfy the notability guidelines as far as I can tell (all info seems to point that it has not even been around for one year, much less the minimum of two with good activity the guidelines require) and is currently part of an edit war with a user obviously affiliated with the site in question regarding it being tagged for deletion. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 00:07, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I don't think discussion is necessary, since it clearly goes against the approved policy. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 00:32, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

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Unidentified bespectacled Slytherin girl

Bespectacled Slytherin girl has enough links that if it doesn't meet the notabiity standards, I believe there's something wrong with those standards. It allows all the relevant info--which admittedly ain't much, but ain't nuffin, neither!--to be collected in one place, which is good for the Wiki. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 04:33, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

It has six links, if you don't include the one on this page, those on talk pages, or the file link for the image. Sorry, but that's hardly anywhere even remotely close to a large number of links. On a sidenote, isn't it about time more of these articles were deleted? We're now over a month in from the introduction of notability. ProfessorTofty (talk) 04:51, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it was a large number, I claimed the number was sufficient.

If the wiki keepers are determined to throw away useful information--and I know it's useful because I wanted to know it, and this was where it was accurately and clearly set forth--then my protests certainly won't stop y'all. Nevertheless, I'm obliged to say that such a result, esp. for a wiki of only a few thousand pages, seems to me a shining case of implementing the perfect as the enemy of the good. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 16:33, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

This article, along with every other short article of similar content, will be eventually merged into a hub article per the notability policy. No information will be lost. No offense, but you literally don't have an argument here. -- 1337star ^{(Drop me a line!)} 18:25, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified male Hogwarts employee (XVI)

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Redirected to hub article. -- Seth Cooper owl post! 12:53, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Why does this page not meet our notability standards? It has quite a lot of information in it's article, so why? --94.191.187.17 11:25, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Because notability isn't necessarily based on the total sum of information, it's based on the criteria in the guidelines, which state that articles about unidentified individuals of this sort generally aren't notable. However, the guidelines also have a proviso that people can argue for the keeping of the article if they feel it contains enough unique information to merit its own article, which is what you've just done. I would be inclined to agree, and I think the fact that the page hasn't yet been redirected and merged by Seth might suggest that he also agrees, though I'll let him have the word on that. ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:19, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I just wanted to know the full reason. When that is said, no offense, but it was Nick O'Demus who put up the tag. --94.191.187.214 16:39, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but Seth is the one who's been working on the Unidentified Hogwarts Employees page and I'm just thinking that perhaps the fact that he didn't already merge this one suggests that he might have seen value in keeping it as a separate page. But we will see... ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

It's no use... this individual is seen on the Unidentified Hogwarts employees page. In fact, if I think back; this individual has been there a very long time. Even before this page got the tag. --94.191.187.214 17:22, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

My bad, I must've skipped this article while creating the redirects. The information on this individual can be found in Unidentified Hogwarts employees, under the header "Wizard who took someone to the Hospital Wing in 1994". -- Seth Cooper owl post! 21:35, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

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Unidentified St. Mungo's patient (III)

Does anybody seriously feel that there is a lot wrong with this article that I made? It has enough information to be considered as notable (which is more than I can say for some Death Eater articles).

Yes, the page might not be the best but it has correct, grammar, spelling and every bit of information that I could find. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 01:04, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Non-notable for exactly the reasons described regarding the article in the section directly above this one - it simply does not meet the guidelines because there is not enough identifiable information in the naming to distinguish the character. Notability has nothing to do with content, nor the quality of the article. ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:06, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

It also says above that the article could be kept if it has enough unique information on it to distinguish it. And in the section above, nobody mentions anything to do with the naming of an article. Plus I've already heard your point and you told me to do this in the first place. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 01:14, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I directed you here because everyone that has an article they created that is marked for being non-notable is welcome to come here and say their piece, but that doesn't necessarily mean I agree that the article is notable. As for the article above, it's already been merged, so clearly it was decided that it was not to be kept. And you're still not getting it - notability does not have to do with content in this case. The guidelines state "unique, specific information available that can be used to distinguish them from other characters in the title of their article." This one does not have that, per the examples listed at the notability guidelines, therefore it does not qualify. The guidelines do state "In cases where a character does not meet the above criteria, but may still possess importance to the series, the article may be allowed to remain following the result of a community vote following the normal Voting policy," but I don't think it's likely you'd be able to get that one for an article of this type on such a minor character. ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I was just trying to help the wiki but whatever. Just delete it 31.52.253.220 01:34, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I wondered whether, if I could find an acceptable name for the article (I was thinking "Bitten St.Mungo's patient" or "Odorous St. Mungo's patient") it could stay? --174.115.144.39 01:43, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Now that's a worthwhile suggestion. That may be worth doing, but I'd be curious to hear what some other regulars think before we do that. And to Rainbow Shifter, again, I understand that you were trying to help the wiki. A tag that the article is not notable is not any form of personal attack, it's simply a statement of a belief that the article does not meet the notability guidelines as described. If valid arguments can be provided that the article is, in fact, notable, then it can be kept. Otherwise, the information will eventually be moved to a "hub" article, so it's not like it would be deleted; it simply wouldn't have its own article anymore. ProfessorTofty (talk) 02:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

So... wait until we get another two votes and then rename it? Just wanted to make sure, because I wanted to get it done and over with. As for Unidentified St. Mungo's patient (II), does "Winged girl" sound okay? --james (talk) 02:40, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Very nice idea Wikia Contributor, the same one I just came up with whilst off somewhere else. I don't really know what a suitable name would be though. "Biiten St. Mungo's patient"? Rainbow Shifter (talk) 03:29, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah... I dunno; "Bitten woman", "Odorous hospital woman" and "Woman with a bite" were a few of my ideas. Any other opinions? --james (talk) 03:33, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I think that St. Mungo or patient should be in the name also. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 03:40, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

So... rename to "Bitten St. Mungo's patient" for this one and "Winged St. Mungo's patient for II? --james (talk) 03:44, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yep that's great. You rename them and I will correct it on the St. Mungo's template. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 03:48, August 28, 2012 (UTC)