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Deleted Nick O'Demus

Contents 1 No evidence for him being a lord... 2 "The Department of Nomenclature" 3 He can also be chalked up as a Vandal of Wikipedia.. 4 can you people stop harrasing me 5 i am sorry 6 "Lord" John Paul Castrianni

No evidence for him being a lord...

He isn't a Lord, unfortunately he is a fraud. He claims it is a courtesy title "Lord of Kensington" from the Earldom of Norbury by claiming a relationship to Richard James Graham-Toler who is the present Earl of Norbury... All very convincing you might imagine..

Until you do a little research. Here unfortunately he has made a slip. The Earldom of Norbury is part of the peerage of Ireland, and Kensington is in England, thus it is a title in the Peerage of England. He is not listed as a legitimate heir to any title, or a holder of any title by either the peerage of England, Scotland or Ireland. In short, complete fake, although I suspect he may have changed his first name to "Lord" to keep up the charade.

Lastly, he claims to being a "Lord" but is very unspecific about his particular title (Lord is not a title in itself, but a mode of address, so he would have to be of at least the Rank of Baron to call himself Lord).

In short, Lord Johnpaul Castrianni is nothing more than Fraud Johnpaul Castrianni. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.1.230 (talk • contribs).

I am a History Student with the ability to browse almost all academic journals/publications regarding the peerage of various countries. There is not one mention of this man that I can find in any academic source linking him to any title of nobility. Atredies 13:04, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Johnpaul recieved his title from the Department of Nomenclature in july 2007 and was then legally known as Lord Johnpaul Castrianni, Lord of Kensington. He does not have a peerage and has no claim to any future claim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.184.188.20 (talk • contribs).

"The Department of Nomenclature"

The "Department of Nomenclature" is not a part of the British Government or the British Heraldic Institution, titles and arms are conferred in the United Kingdom by the "Court of Chivalry". The Department of Nomenclature is a "Title Mill" associated with the http://www.lord-of-the-manor-titles.co.uk/lomt%20design%202.htm Title mill website. Please note that through this website you can buy your titles for £159, or even cheaper through Ebay. Do you really think that a legitimate title can simply be purchased for less than two hundred pounds?

Of course not, this is a nonsense as before by someone who is masquerading as something they are not. I can go and buy a convincing looking certificate saying I am the president of the US or Emperor of China, but it does not matter unless such a title is not recognised by legitimate authority. Mr Castrianni's title is recognised by no legitimate heraldic authority, he is a fraud and the talk pages refering to him should be re-instated and I removed the Lord reference on the Article. He is listed in no list of peers or burke's annual... odd that?

If we want this to be a wiki with high standards we cannot permit people to post fantasy titles on it in order to self-aggrandise, or else this false claim is only given greater weight by this article. He is obviously a hard working actor, who is simply trying to get ahead of other candidates for jobs with his fake "lordship" but I dont think this is a reason that it should be taken as fact.

If we want it mentioned why not state that "John Paul Castrianni purchased an unrecognised title from X website in 2007" if this is the case, rather than state he is a lord with no actual legal title. Pretending to the nobility is a crime in the United Kingdom.. Atredies 08:25, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is not a legitimate grant of a title...

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/File:Scan0024.jpg

Do you really think the United Kingdom, which has been granting arms for hundreds of years simply gives you a printout? This is a cheap piece of Tittle mill nonsense. Real letters patent are printed on Vellum, and look like this http://parishes.lincolnshire.gov.uk/images/Parish/2/vellum_letters_patent_nov_07123.jpg

Now we have definitive proof the title is false, can we finally put this to bed? I feel this nonsense debate about the vanity of a mere extra is not worth any more time. Atredies 08:44, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, a certificate confirming one's Lordship would be considerably more elaborate than the one recently uploaded. It would be printed on unique signiture paper, and contain all manner of watermarks and holographic signitures, just like money. This guy is an attention seeking liar. I doubt he was even in the film, as there is no legitimate source for it, other than his Casting Call profile, which he himself can edit.

He is also contradicting himself. He originally claimed his title was a courtesy from the Earldom of Norbury, now it transpires he bought it online. The guy's an obsessive liar just delete the article.

He can also be chalked up as a Vandal of Wikipedia..

From his IP (before he had the account) we can see that he has repeatedly attempted to vandalise the wikipedia page regarding his "Title" and the "fact" that he was in the Harry Potter films...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maricourt_High_School&action=history

It should be noted that he had used these vandalised pages to verify his "Lordship" to Nick O'Demus here: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nick_O%27Demus#links_regarding_offensive_material.

"not sure if this helps but here are several links that do have me being stated as Lord Johnpaul Castrianni

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricourt_High_School"

72.184.188.20 - The Same IP as is recorded repeatedly adding his "Lordship" to the Harry Potter Wiki Article.

Another instance of him "Editing" his past using the internet. This raises the point of what Stephen Colbert calls wikiality, that if something is on a wiki it is true.. I worry that he uses websites like ours to lie on and so create a false resume/life to live and aid him in getting further jobs. Atredies 18:04, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

You do have a point. He seems to have been repeatedly adding information bolstering himself, while presenting no source whatsoever. It comes to mind, by the way, if there any source stating he is, indeed, working at Universal Studios. I, for one, have never heard about that before. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 21:35, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Here's my two-cents (I'm copying and pasting it from Atredies talk page, cause I'm lazy) In his interview with Snitch Seeker he claimed to have filmed his scenes on top of the Astronomy Tower with Michael Gambon and Dan Radcliffe. However, anyone who has seen the film will know that he wasn't there. After the release of Half-BloodPrince he claimed his scenes were "cut from the final edit", but this makes no sense. Why would the filmakers decide to re-shoot an entire scene without one particular actor? Especially one playing a major character like Yaxley! I think in retrospect he relised it was a bit ambitious to claim to have played Yaxley. Especially after a talented actor like Peter Mullen was cast to portray the character in the next installment. I guess when Deathly Hallow rolled around he figured he'd be safe claiming to play an anonymous Death Eater. he probably imagined the film would be filled with maked Death Eaters, and he could get away with claiming to be one of them. However, the only scene to feature masked Death Eaters was the battle of Little Whinging, and the Death Eaters were all created digitally, and were added in post-production. And he definately wasn't at Malfoy Mannor, because I've watched the scene a dozen times, and, incredibly, he's not there. Jayden Matthews Jayden Matthews 21:48, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

No legitimate website that cannot be user-edited shows any proof of him ever being selected to play Yaxley or that he even exists, with the exception of those that cite the pages he listed above.--Matoro183 ^(Talk) 21:53, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

And now we're going somewhere with this, the IP that's been adding his "Lordship" to Wikipedia for some time now (I'm assuming, of course, that's Castrianni) tries to blank this article. Definitely seems like someone trying to stifle the debate. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 22:08, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've semiprotected the article, so neither of his aliases will be able to edit it again for a while.--Matoro183 ^(Talk) 22:09, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

This all raises a bigger issue then, because I can't even begin to guess at the number of actor articles and stubs on this wiki based solely off of Casting Call profiles, IMDb, or actors' personal web-pages. - Nick O'Demus 22:28, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

I apologise if people seem to know more about my life than me and then feel offended when I try to remove any information I believe is wrong or offensive to me. I have done nothing wrong or offensive to anyone on here and yet I am being inundated with offensive comments regarding myself and anything to do with my past.

Yes I have added things on here that I genuinely believe to be true, I been honest and forthright with everyone and have enjoyed my contributions to further the knowledge of potter and my role I was able to portray in several of the movies. I apologise if extras are not credited in the movies nor if you can find any information regarding my title. I have never come on here bullish and overbrearing telling anyone about that and Yes I do have said title Lord of the manor of Kensington and was to my best knowledge legally entitled to said title and to use it as fitting. If I was mistaken then I point my finger at the place my title was obtained and consider myself stupid to believe otherwise.

All i ask is people please so trying to be spiteful or hurtful and please just delete the page about Johnpaul castrianni or just stop trying to add offensive comments.

pleaseLord.j.castrianni 23:30, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

I do apologise if you feel we are harming your susceptibilities in any way. The thing is, we are all trying to be objective and the other side of the argument does have a point. Can you provide any evidence you did, indeed, star in the film? A photo, or a reference in a reliable independent source? A screenshot from the film, in which you could have made a background appearance? Anything at all? And ditto for your employment at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Can you upload a picture of you in costume at Universal? As for the Lordship claim, as I don't feel sufficiently familiar with the subject I won't comment, but Atredies's accusations do have a point and his arguments do make sense and are neatly backed up with his sources.

I want to get this over as much as you do - believe me - as these discussions distract us from what the wiki is all about and are, pardon me, a waste of time we could be using to improve the wiki's articles. So, please, let's all work together to sort out this argument once and for all. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 00:46, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

The author has requested that this article be deleted. Does anyone have any qualms with deleting it?--Matoro183 ^(Talk) 00:56, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why we should waste anymore time on this fantasist. I assume, given the recent revelation about his "Lordship", that he's no longer claiming to be related to the Earl of Norbury? Jayden Matthews 09:27, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Just thought I would add in reply to Matoro, I would be in favour of deleting the article, but I think this discussion is worth preserving to present to other places (places which host his interviews etc) in order to help set the record straight on what has been perpatrated here. Atredies 12:55, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I think I will contact Casting Call and let them know his acting credits are fake, at least in part. Jayden Matthews 13:38, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

can you people stop harrasing me

can you all please just stop leaving nasty comments about things none of you know about. I am sick and tired of all the abuse on here the past few days from people claiming they know my life!!

I didnt even create the page for crying out loud. and as for commentss disappearing, I asked the admin nick and he hid them from view! Stop trying to blame me for something i had no idea about and as for some comments yes I did try to delete due to them being offensive to me. I admit i was not completly sure how this site works so i hold my hand up and sayi I didnt know it was not allowed so please stop calling me a vandal and a fraud. NONE of you know me and none of you know my life or my full acting credits and my family background so please please please stop it.

Its beyond funny now and seriously becoming hurtful and very very upsetting. please just delete this page that someone else created and stop harrasing me with emails and contacting my agent an posting ill favoured comments online its extremely upsetting!

to any administrator thats reading this please just delete this page and the page of johnpaul castrianni !Lord.j.castrianni 22:50, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

House of Cards coming tumbling down is it? Maybe this will yeild a positive change in your life. You cak take the next steps in your life as a real person, John Paul Castrianni. Not a pretend lord, not pretending to have made achievements you did not make. It is not harassment as you do not have to post here, it is holding you to account for your manifold lies to thousands who believed you. Atredies 23:00, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

No its just getting rediculous and is harrasing from people who do not know me and are sending emails to my agent and other people!. Please everyone just stop and delete this. i keep getting emails ever few minutes from people who are entitled to their opinion but not when comments are hurtful and spiteful. Please someone just delete this. I am sick and tired of this now

Just because this Wikipage exposed that you have lied to thousands of people about being a Lord and about being in the Harry Potter Franchise to thousands of people and been interviewed and lied the whole time to serious fans is why people might be emailing you. You lied not just to one person but a community, do not be shocked the community is angry at you for lying. It is not us who are harassing you so please do not attempt to frame it as thus. Perhaps if you posted a full public apology for lying then people would be more sympathetic. Atredies 23:11, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Canyou just not delete this? I am sorry i cannot come directly to you with proof or show my blood or dna to you. all i ask is people please stop this. I posted plenty of dicuments and images that i was able to on here along time ago which have been deleted or someone says was not true and and I am no defending myself anymore.

I lied to no one and I apologise to anyone who feels that. I sincerly promise I intended no spite or ill to anyone. i didnt even create this page, i certainly added to it, what i believed was true and what i was entitled to add. Yo know how depressing this is? I have been through the worst part of nearly 7 months in and out of hospital and having to take time off work for treatments for cancer , would you like a doctors note for that that i can show? thats why this is getting too much. Do you realise how hurtful this is becoming? I have other things taking my mind and having to deal with and the past 48 hours i am getting all these ill comments. please atredies and everyone else. please just leave me alone this is so hurtful and upsetting and i just want to be left alone.

please!!! I beg of you just leave me and delete this page and everything on here about me. please!

The community is not concerned with your sob story (which I doubt many believe since you have recent pictures and statuses posted on your facebook remarkably not showing any signs of sickness!). It is concerned with the content of the wiki. No doubt your article will soon be deleted, you have been caught lying. However, these conversations will be preserved as a record of your conduct (if you really are Castrianni) and a record of the research which demonstrated that you have lied. I would hasten to add all of this would go away if you told us which scenes you were in in which films so we can spot you, screen shot it and validate it. Simply demanding we take the article down makes your story even more apparently a lie. I do not think it is unreasonable for members of the wiki to contact casting call etc and quote this conversation as an example of your duplicitousness and apparent fraudulent intent. Atredies 23:23, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

little would you know. but yes all of it is true i am not even going to show. Apparently i have been able to fool everyone even my doctor and my partner and everyone I know. this is why I am asking everything go. Do you realise what stupidity you are suggesting. You claim to know me as a former co worker. do you know me now? are we friends or family? i highly doubt that. I am doing nothing to hurt anyone or lie to anyone! some one made this page about me, people messaged me on facebook asking what i had done i answered thats where most of the online comments about my scenes where. would you like a bank statement for what i was paid for potter? would that make you happy, i doubt that. i just want this work deleted what someone else made about me gone thats all. and noone is willing to help i am begging someone please just stop all this now!

You are becoming hysterical, turn off the screen, take a time out, a deep breath, then come back and reply. Yes, posting a pay stub from the film would prove your case or just stating where your scenes are in the films and we will find them. Please remember to sign replies with four tildes (this symbol: ~). I am not going to disclose the nature of my relationship to you offline. Suffice to say we have conversed a great deal and it is apparent that you are not a billionaire Earl who was in harry potter. You do not have editorial control over this article, so please do not make demands on its behalf, whether you authored it or not it is in the public domain and publishes information available in that domain. Paul McCartney has a wikipedia article named after him, it does not make him its Editor, but I digress. Your displeasure at being caught has been noted, but ranting and demanding edits is not going to change the facts. Atredies 23:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion has gotten out of hand. If you two continue to go about it like this you will be blocked per the No Personal Attacks policy.--Matoro183 ^(Talk) 23:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Apologies if my rhetoric is too strong, I will endeavour to keep my language parliamentary. However, my inflamed passion on this issue has been caused by the manifold proven lies we have had imposed upon the wiki. I am personally not ill disposed to the gentleman, simply ill disposed to his actions in attempting to distort reality. I would hasten to add all statements I have made thus far are verifiable in fact, and I am happy to back them up with evidence (as I have repeatedly done on the talk page and on the discussion for the article's deletion). I simply seek to inject a drop of Veritaserum into this article. Atredies 23:42, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

i am sorry

I am sorry. I cannot accept that, personal attacks which have led to emails being sent to my agent and comments on here which have discredited my previous works and person. I have asked time and time again for this to stop I have spoken to 4 admins and complained to wikia at the contact. I am not arguing or asking for an argument. I have no reason to show something to someone about my life. I just want this all removed and stopped now. please!Lord.j.castrianni 23:45, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Enough! Atredies, your help in resolving this debate has been invaluble, but I think it's time for all of us to put this matter behind us and move on. Johnpaul, if you don't want to know what people are saying about you then I suggest you go offline for a while, because it's inevitable that people in the Harry Potter community are going to talk about this for sometime. In the meantime, I think it's high time for this article to be deleted. Jayden Matthews 13:13, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Matthews. I personally have seen no evidence whatsoever that you were int he film and I don't even recall seeing Yaxley in the Half-Blood Prince and so, in the meantime I have to say that this article ought to be deleted unless you how managed to prove that you were in the film which I don't think is possible because you are a fraud. _—  Firefox1095  _— 00:16, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

This has been going on for a long time without any signs of conclusion in the close future. Therefore, if no convincing evidence is given that proves this individual's participation in the films I'm announcing this article's deletion in twenty-four hours. --  Seth Cooper  owl post! 15:32, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

"Lord" John Paul Castrianni

Being a fact purist, it is obnoxious to me that we have an article which is completely fallacious. I am a long time lurked, but this issue has got my hackles up as it seems a case of complete lies appearing on what is normally one of the best sourced wikis.

He has been caught out directly lying on his user page and while this is not directly relevant to my nomination for deletion, I feel the dishonesty shown in using a fraudulent title is relevant in that it indicates a tendency to lie.

Now, the sources for his participation in the Harry Potter film franchise.

1. His IMDB page- This can be edited by himself. 2. His casting call pro page which he can edit himself.

Furthermore.. He never appears in either film's credits nor has he been mentioned in official sources. Indeed it seems unlikely that the studio would authorise an uncredited extra to be interviewed by fan sites (John Paul lavishly made himself open for interviews on fan sites) without taking legal action against him.

If anything else is needed, he was a co-worker with myself during the period in which the last Harry Potter films were being filmed. He claimed he was granted US citizenship directly by the Secretary of State, and that he is a personal friend of the Queen, in addition to his claim to be a billionaire etc. Despite having a registered address (on his "lordship certificate" he posted) in a pokey flat in Manchester

The man is living in a fantasy world, but I see no reason for us as a credible wiki to lend credence to his make believe. I am also seeking contact with IMDB and Castingcall to let them know they are hosing pages regarding a complete fraud. Atredies 16:01, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Having dug a little deeper.. From his IP (before he had the account) we can see that he has repeatedly attempted to vandalise the wikipedia page regarding his "Title" and the "fact" that he was in the Harry Potter films...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maricourt_High_School&action=history

It should be noted that he had used these vandalised pages to verify his "Lordship" to Nick O'Demus here: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nick_O%27Demus#links_regarding_offensive_material.

"not sure if this helps but here are several links that do have me being stated as Lord Johnpaul Castrianni

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricourt_High_School"

72.184.188.20 - The Same IP as is recorded repeatedly adding his "Lordship" to the Harry Potter Wiki Article.

Another instance of him "Editing" his past using the internet. This raises the point of what Stephen Colbert calls wikiality, that if something is on a wiki it is true.. I worry that he uses websites like ours to lie on and so create a false resume/life to live and aid him in getting further jobs.

Again caught out editing his past for vanity or personal gain. Further reduction in his credibiliy. Atredies 18:05, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

I vote for deletion. Lord.j.castrianni 23:22, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

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