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Articles on horse and cat variants
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I know that most articles of these have existed for months, but I think that articles on the horse Patronuses on Pottermore should all be redirected to horse.
We don't have articles on individual genders, just one for each species. I remember that we also merged bull and cow, which is also the same animal, but male and female.
We also could merge the pony and drafthorse articles I created myself
The same applies for the different colours. Having a different coat colour doesn't make them a different species.
- I do agree that Piebald Mare and the like need to be merged into Horse as well as the articles like Tabby Cat into cat, and the original pages redirected to the species page. Cheers --Ironyak1 (talk) 19:27, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I think many of the articles in question may warrant separate articles. There is certainly a precedent for it. After all, we have Corgi, Jack Russell terrier, Pekingese and other articles on individual dog breeds. The distinction between a unique breed and a variant in colouration or other characteristics is often fuzzy. I think Wikipedia is probably a useful baseline for determining what warrants a separate article. Wikipedia has articles on tabby cats and piebald horses because these coat types are considered distinct enough to warrant independent coverage even if "tabby cat" and "piebald horse" aren't considered breeds. Piebald Stallion and Piebald Mare could be consolidated into "Piebald horse" or simply "Piebald". We have articles on far more trivial things and I don't see an issue with these having independent articles. Although I do think the Patronus form articles could do with a bit of cleaning up. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 23:58, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
- Hi there! (btw, is there an equivalent of this talk page for "merge candidate"? Because I think that's where this discussion should belong to; not sure if Category talk:Articles to be merged is the place, since it's never used.) Only just saw this proposal and am not sure if it was officially resolved. I don't agree with the first two suggestion (a total merge from something specific to something generic) however, since "Doe" and "Stag" are both redirects of "Deer" as they are gender-specific term of the same thing, I think the idea of this discussion is sound. I agree with suggestion #3 by Starstuff; I think something should be done to the following:
- Counting the examples mentioned by Starstuff, there's 14 articles in total, and by merging them based on types and disregarding genders, it'd be down to 7 articles. If it isn't clear, I'm definitely against merging all 14 to the horse article. Info found on Wikipedia and potential merged article name on this wiki:
- Bay (horse) on Wikipedia & Bay horse
- Black (horse) on Wikipedia & Black horse
- Chestnut (coat) on Wikipedia & Chestnut horse
- Gray (horse) on Wikipedia (Redirected from Dapple-grey) & Dapple Grey horse
- Dun gene on Wikipedia & Dun horse
- Piebald#Horses on Wikipedia & Piebald horse
- White (horse) on Wikipedia & White horse
- Hopefully an admin can shed some light on here, or do we need a vote open to determine whether or not to proceed? --Sammm✦✧(talk) 00:50, September 11, 2018 (UTC)
The appearance section is so ridiculously long that it can only be based on every single time that human hair appears or is mentioned, which, given that baldness is an exceptional trait, applies to pretty much every character. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 04:40, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
That's right. We also have articles on other kinds of hair and its magical uses though. Cat hair, Veela hair, Puffskein hair which alsi etail on the tole of hair in magic. Shouldn't we delete them all then?--Rodolphus (talk) 08:17, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
- The difference is that Veela hair etc. are only referenced within canon in a magical context. Thus, information on them is relevant to the plot or world of the Potter series, not merely incidental trivia. Human hair is visible in every scene in the films featuring a person, and implicitly present in every scene in the books if it's not directly mentioned, so it's incidental in the same way as eyes, skin, air, and sunlight.
- The article, as it stands, is in dire need of clean-up. The appearances section needs to be streamlined along the lines you've suggested, because the current indiscriminate laundry list, at best, is unhelpful and cluttering, and, at worst, is inviting crufty or trolling additions to the article.
- There also needs to be a structure. A bunch of single-sentence paragraphs is messy and unhelpful. There should probably be a section on the use of human hair in potions, a section on spells and magical products used to style hair, etc. Maybe a section of listing characters by hair colour, which, yes, is trivial, but it would also be useful (from a HP fan perspective) and interesting in the same way as the list of characters who wear spectacles or characters by zodiac signs are. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 09:21, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
- It's okay. There's always plenty of tasks to do on a wiki if creating articles isn't one's strong point. For now trimming down the "Appearances" section is probably a good place to start. I might give fleshing out the article a go at some point, but unfortunately my backlog for this site is huge, and I don't have as much free time as I once did. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 09:40, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
Person infobox -- again
Do we really need an article on the concept of fining someone? I could vaguely see it being a list of times people have been fined and the amounts and such, but we could have similar lists for any number of things. And we don't have articles on imprisonment or loss of privileges or any other similar topics. Even Hogwarts detentions, a subject which gets far more coverage and is fairly different than at your average Muggle school, just rates a section at Discipline at Hogwarts. Surely in its current state, at least, the article is not really anything worthwhile. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 19:41, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- The idea of deleting this article is fine by me (sorry;)) — evilquoll (talk) 20:37, September 11, 2017 (UTC)
- We have articles on far more incidental subjects. Any discrete subject potentially warrants its own article. I don't see this article's subject as being too trivial/incidental to warrant independent coverage. I just think that this article needs some work to expand it into something more in line with our mission. Adding a list of all fines issued within the course of the books, films, etc. would be a good place to start. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 20:12, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
Harry Potter Conspiracies
This article was recently created, and I don't think it's very article-worthy in its current state (no offense to the author of course, just constructive criticism). However, with some more focus and a rename (maybe something like List of Harry Potter fan theories), I think this could be a viable article. Ideally, I'd see it as something along the lines of the article I recently made on Shipping, covering fan theories that have been (one way or the other) discussed by Rowling, perhaps even expanding into theories with widespread community support (as would be shown by citations showing they've been discussed on prominent Harry Potter fansites like MuggleNet or the Leaky Cauldron). -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 22:13, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that there would be value in having an article covering prominent Harry Potter fan theories. Plenty of fan theories have emerged over the years (Snape being a vampire is a popular one that springs to mind) and some have even been addressed by J. K. Rowling in interviews or on her official site. It would be useful to lay out the reasoning behind popular fan theories and collect JKR's statements on them in one place. But, as you say, everything would have to be properly cited, and ideally there would be sources establishing that a theory has gained widespread traction in the fandom, and isn't just one random fan's idea.
- That said, I deleted the "Harry Potter Conspiracies" article, as it didn't strike me as workable. ★ Starstuff (Owl me!) 20:03, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
File:17438137 1796759857309847 5582698409459974144 n.jpg
IMDb is an unreliable source at the best of times, and their page for this actress no longer seems to exist, nor is she mentioned on the site's cast list. I'm thinking that (somehow) "Jessica Bolzon" was some sort of confusion with Jessica Williams. Anyway, with no currently available source, this seems to be a pretty clear-cut deletion. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 17:48, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
- Interesting. The IMDb page definitely existed yesterday. Which doesn't alter the fact that our latest vandal was wrong to blank the page, as this is the vandal way to do a delete nomination, not the correct way. — evilquoll (talk) 18:21, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
- Since the link is obsolete, I've tagged it for needing verification. If nothing is provided within a week, it gets deleted. - Nick O'Demus 03:41, November 23, 2017 (UTC)
- Somoeone's cartoonish CGI idea of a witch? Delete it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:26, November 28, 2017 (UTC)
File:НОВАЯ ИГРА ОТ СКОТТА ВЫШЛА НОВАЯ КОШМАРНАЯ БЕЙБИ ФНАФ 6 !!!!!!!!!The filename means "New game from Scott left a new nightmare baby FNAF 6". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:21, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
I don't think this page ought to be deleted. We know rather more about that Dementor than we know (or are ever likely to know) about a lot of characters in the Unidentified individuals category. Moreover, it is far from proven that Dementors cannot have individual characteristics — take, precisely, the fact that this Dementor showed abilities for wandless magic displayed by no other Dementors in the books or films. I opened a Discussion on the Discuss board a few days ago about whether I should go ahead and create such pages, and the responses I got were all positive. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 18:38, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with the deletion. The page portrays them as a person, who can be male or female, that has it's own thoughts capable of independence, brotherhood and loyalty, and is in essence, an individual being when Dementors were always portrayed as dark creatures who act and operate as one, incapable of loyalty and independent thought, who merely feed and were never described as "he" or "she". The page is one big assumption, portraying Dementors in a wrong light. Dementors, as they always were in both the books and films, are portrayed as one being, not separate individuals, who need only be written about on one page, i.e. Dementors. I support the deletion proposal.
- In the future, I would not seek advice on the running of the wikia from anywhere else but the editing side of things - you need to propose your ideas here. - Poppy13 (talk) 19:06, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- While it is true that Dementors have no biological gender, it is just as much an assumption to treat them as one being as it is not to. We never see Grindylows or Veelas acting individually, but that doesn't make them a hive mind any more than Dementors. And as you can see on the Dementor page, it is clear that Dementors are at least somewhat sentient, and possibly fully sapient, so yes, they canonically "have their own thoughts". I stand by my original position that this, and other pages about individual Dementors, fully have their place here. While seeing them as a hive mind is imaginable, it is not any more canon than the obvious position of seeing them as individual monsters belonging to a single species. The only things I'm willing take away here are that the "he" in the article may have to be replaced with "it" or "them", and that, yes, in the future, I will present my suggestions elswhere than on the Discuss (but then, the Deletion place is hardly the place to talk about page creations… so where?)
- - Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 19:23, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm rather neutral on the existence of the page. I suppose I weakly support its existence if only because its no different than having pages on individual giants/goblins/boggarts/etc. But I can agree, at least, that there's no canon that I'm aware of to indicate that Dementors are a hivemind. -- 1337star (Drop me a line!) 19:38, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- : I stand by my original comments and by the deletion. You portray the Dementor as having individual and independent thought, that it chooses to stand by it's comrades and be loyal and independent. That is wrong. They canonically merely sense food and feed on it, and work as one and not individuals. Like I said, you are making assumptions. There are no pages for an individual Grindylow or Veela. There is no need.
- Furthermore, there are other problems. They have no job. They go where food is a given, but they are not employed. As the Dementor page states, they are "soulless and evil", "hold no true loyalty", they merely feed. They are never shown to have independent and individual thought, in fact, the opposite is shown. The entire page feels like a wrong portrayal of what Dementors are. They are not living, breathing beings at all. They are like nothing else. - Poppy13 (talk) 19:43, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- But that too is just inference from the limited glimpse we get of Dementors in canon — the collectives of Dementors we see act as a group, but again, that is just as easily explained by good pack coordination, or simply the fact that they all wanted the same thing.
- … So anyway, if we're counting votes in, we have 1 against deletion, 1 for deletion, and 1 neutral-leaning-on-keeping-it. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 19:48, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Personally, I see no need for individual pages for every Dementor, feels like baggage when every piece of information is already written on the only page it really needs to be written on. But if we are going to keep it, the page would need to be heavily rewritten. But given how Dementors are portrayed in the books, it still feels wrong to treat them as individuals. - Poppy13 (talk) 20:02, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree with the deletion. Evem if making a page for each and every Dementor appearing on screen, there seems to have been quite some time and effort into making sure the information on it is accurate. In my opinion, too much effort for it to be deleted just like that. Other dementor pages, on the other hand.. Overkill. Ninclow (talk) 21:48, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support (OP here). As for other Dementor pages, I never meant pages about all onscreen Dementors or anything like that — only this and possibly the two who attacked Harry and Dudley, those seemed notable by the same token as this one. (They would have been "Dementor who attacked Harry Potter (II)" and "(III)", respectively, hence the "(I)" in this page's title).) I was of course withholding creation of those pages until the discusson of this one cleared up. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 22:35, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- I oppose the deletion. I have tided up the page a bit for clarity and spelling and it's okay now imo. A lot of effort went into it from the OP in particular and it seems like a waste to just delete it. There are separate pages for creatures who perform their own, notable actions and the one on the train is one such event. - Kates39 (talk) 22:23, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think this article adds much, so I am weakly for deletion (along with some cited examples of similar articles) but I am not particularly bothered with its existence. I am, however, strongly opposed to the name, since, unlike what is depicted in the film, this Dementor does not attack Harry (Harry just happens to pass out because he's more susceptible to Dementors).
- At any rate, it should be said, insensitive as though it may sound, that how much effort someone puts into drafting an article is not a valid reason to keep it. -- 03:03, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Not really, there were lots of Dementors on the train. Perhaps "First Dementor Harry Potter met"? "Dementor who searched Harry Potter's compartment"? I would have named it "Dementor who attacked Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, Hermione Granger and Remus Lupin", but that was awfully cumbersome. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 11:19, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Well, we never meet the other Dementors on the train. There wouldn't be any confusion about what Dementor the article is referring too. The book does later reference "the Dementor on the train". And like Seth said, using the word "attacked" is the thing that needs to be changed. "Dementor who searched Harry Potter's compartment" is another good alternative though. - Kates39 (talk) 11:32, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Er… sorry for asking, but why is that discussion still open? It's been months, a majority agreed to keep the page… so…? Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 14:06, March 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Some of the Dementors DO have jobs :: they are prison-guards at Azkaban. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:35, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
Several pages by User:Lbluck8
The ones flagged for deletion, at least. Possibly the others, especially since this user has removed the delete tag from at least one article without any attempt at discussion. — evilquoll (talk) 23:48, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
Harry Potter And The Cursed Child 2018 Movie Trailer HD
How on earth did this rubbish manage to stay on this wiki for 9 months, before another editor finally put a delete notice on it?
The creator of this page, User:Teduhjiwakalani, has done nothing but add fanon videos from YouTube. I have duly warned him, but the two other fake "trailers" I just tagged also need to be deleted. — evilquoll (talk) 09:46, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
This image was stolen from a website (impossible to tell which) which had licensed it from Shutterstock. As stated in the delete notice, Shutterstock's ToS, when applied to an image used without payment, forbid any usage which could involve downloading or redistribution, such as on open wikis. Certainly usage without attribution is forbidden. — evilquoll (talk) 09:41, February 27, 2018 (UTC)
All images by User:HistoryhasitseyesonyouHermione
Every last one of them is a meme-type image (they all have in-image captions), hence are fanon. Some of them also have visible watermarks, and may be copyright violations. Delete them all. — evilquoll (talk) 04:13, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
A redirect is unlikely to cause confusion, and it's not like we have a data-storage-space limit, so I'd vote to keep it. The term is inaccurate, of course, but no one is saying it is accurate, the redirect precisely "corrects" anyone who might be looking with the inaccurate term by sending them back to the actual Muggle-born page overall. The person who tagged it said that "nowhere has the term been used", but the very fact that someone thought it necessary to make a redirect implies they were just wrong. There are fans out there who'd use that term. (I presume it's something like "Mundane" for "Muggle" or "Wards" for "Protectice Charms", a term that originated in fanfiction.) My point is, I wouldn't have bothered to create it if it were up to me, but now that it exists, I'd rather we kept it than not. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 14:09, March 8, 2018 (UTC)
Boy of Card Trading Club
This has NO info whatsoever... This link...
- The page was blanked by a vandal edit back in February. I have restored it. — evilquoll (talk) 11:33, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, sorry... 21:34, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
- Partly because the same user also uploaded several identical images, differing only (and only slightly) in file name, such as File:4991.jpgssdff-0.png. Partly also because it's the wrong file type; JPG compression is designed specifically for photographs, hence results in smaller file sizes, whereas PNG is better suited to diagrams. — evilquoll (talk) 21:53, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
- I'll grant you the first one. That sounds either like someone messing up while trying to upload the one picture, or just trolling. On the other hand, I fail to see the relevance of the JPG vs. PNG thing. From a programmer's point of view, perhaps it's more convenient, but really, what do we as a Wiki care about such technicalities? Both work and look good on a page, and it's not like we have a storage-space limit. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 21:58, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
Again, this page was created a few days ago and the content was nothing except the letter ‘H’. Please do something about this.
In case anyone's wondering, this category is "Rubeus Hagrid’s possessions". it was nominated for deletion because it's a duplicate of existing category "Rubeus Hagrid&x27;s possessions". — evilquoll (talk) 15:09, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm sorry for creating a duplicate. I didn't know about that one. But one question, when I created the page, why did it let me? Shouldn't it of led me to the existing one??? Otherwise, please delete this category. 22:33, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
Hi, it is spam. 11:40, April 14, 2018 (UTC)
- What on earth's it meant to be!? To Azkaban with it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:04, April 22, 2018 (UTC)
And all the other user images posted by Kaitlin Malfoy, as there are four of them (one too many), and as their owner has been banned (hence there are actually four too many).
- What is the reference to the information on this page? Did he have a separate group of Death Eaters under his command? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:04, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
- As I understand it, what the page's creator meant is the Death Eaters Crouch opposed (so yes, it's a pretty bad name). Namely, they considered the "regrouped", Voldemort-less Death Eaters who crashed the World Cup to be a different organization to the actual Death Eaters led by Voldemort before and after his thirteen years of non-life. Personally I wouldn't, but it does make some sense. Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 09:47, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Has also posted credit-repair spam to the 4chanfit wiki, hence reported to the VSTF. — evilquoll (talk) 18:08, June 3, 2018 (UTC)
Head Curse-Breaker discussion
Am I to understand, Sammm, that you regard the position of Head Curse-Breaker to be a fanon concept? Also, though I am fairly certain you didn't intend to, I'd just like to point out I find you to come across as a tad bit aggressive. Maester Martin (talk) 10:03, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Um, perhaps I'll come back and do a thorough reply later (it's currently 3:40-ish AM, and I have no idea why I'm still up) I'm not sure where you got the impression that I thought it was fanon; I never said that, I only pointed out, both of the examples I gave, are also canon, and confirmed to be canon long before, and they didn't get separate pages, so I don't see why the Curse-Breaker one should. The speculation part,
"As such, it presumably fall to the Head Curse Breaker to handle applications from potential additions to the team, supervise the preparations required to ensure a successful venture, oversee the process of securing and forcibly gaining entry to cursed areas, as well as any transactions carried out by other Curse-Breakers. Depending on to what degree it is an administrative position, the witch or wizard in question is likely to have more quill pushing and paperwork at their hand than the rest."It IS FAIRLY WELL WRITTEN, but, where did you get all that? All she said was she was the Head ~. Canon really didn't detail what Curse-Breakers do.
Banking seems a more exciting career option for witches and wizards than it is in the Muggle world. Ron’s eldest brother Bill works as a curse-breaker for Gringotts, the wizarding bank staffed by goblins. While we’re not entirely sure what Bill’s work involves, there’s probably not that much small-talk in the job. Goblins aren’t exactly chatty.
- If there's more ACTUAL info on this occupation, please enlighten me because I do find Aurors overrated xP --Sammm✦✧(talk) 10:42, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Curse-Breakers force their way into ancient, cursed sites of historical sorcery in order to retrieve treasure for Gringotts Wizarding Bank. Now that we know that there is such a thing as a Head Curse-Breaker, however, we now know that this would be the one the other Curse-Breakers reports to.Even f it were to be the case that he or she must get a green light from goblins to make the employment official, in what way is it "speculative" to write that someone in charge of a group of workers versees the work they do? Or that same person is the most likely by far to employ people to the same group, having proven themselves to be competent and reliable enough for the goblins running the bank to entrust them the extra responsiblity? Or are we simply disagreeing on the usage of "Head" before Curse-Breakers here? Also, even if what I wrote can be seen as speculative, why not simply remove what you find to be speculative and shorten the article? Maester Martin (talk) 11:41, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
- It is as good as confirmed. You need cridentials from Hogwarts to become a Curse-Breaker, meaning the goblins who runs the bank but lacks those credentials aren't qualified to evaluete potential applicants, and since the Head Curse-Breaker is in charge of the Curse-Breakers,that job will necessarily have to fall to him or her. But very well, remove it if you must, though I still fail to see why "we don't have a page for Head Auror" is an argument for why this page shouldn't exist. We might as well make one, as we already have articles for all of the Auror ranks known from MACUSA. Maester Martin (talk) 18:54, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Hi there! I want to first apologize because I full-heartedly agreed that "we don't have a page for Head Auror" should be used as an acceptable argument. That was actually not the main reason I disagreed with the page creation, but as an add-on, and somehow, please really excuse me that during the moment of addle-brain, with the lack off sleep, for some reason my speech seemed to keep going back to where it wasn't important. For that, I really am sorry!
- Moving on. I need to thank you for bringing up the MACUSA in the last sentence. While I'm not uninterested, sans HM, I don't constantly keep track of the newer content of the wizarding world, so again, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I am now sold on keeping the page. Since User evilquoll did not state to vote for, and I was the only one against, I'll remove the tag.
- Before that, I do want to explain a little more; as of HMy4 middle of ch2, the only known fact about Head Curse-Breaker, is that it is a position in Gringotts Wizarding Bank, and at least by 1987, the position is held by Patricia Rakepick. I did not think the above, which could barely be counted as a short paragraph, warrants its own page. But as I said, you've brought a valid point about short pages. Chief of Staff, Captain of Aurors, and Chief Auror are some good example of keeping the speculation to the minimum, as in within one sentence in a fairly short paragraph.
- I also want to clarify, personally, when I say "speculate", I have no negative connotation attached to it, and I'm sorry if it comes across that way. I use that word as a synonym for assume, presume, and surmise, and anything that's in theory and has not been outright confirmed. Speculations could eventually turn out to be correct, if factual source is ever revealed, but until then, they are just speculations, not confirmed fact. I didn't say they are wrong; they could be right (just as easily as they could be wrong) but they aren't confirmed.--Sammm✦✧(talk) 03:08, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
This is an obvious candidate for deletion on several points:
- The title says 1997 but the "article" says 1998.
- It's written (very badly) as a blog rather than an article.
- It's nowhere near the minimum quality required for articles on this wiki.
- The score (991912938) is far too high to be feasible even for a match which went on for months (and I doubt that Quidditch matches at Hogwarts are allowed to last beyond match day), and if it were a real score, surely the last digit would be 0?
- Are teachers really now setting wiki vandalism as homework assignments?
- This match actually happened in canon, so I fixed the page with minimum details. Hope the tag could be removed now. --Sammm✦✧(talk) 00:42, June 15, 2018 (UTC)
I was the one who created the article, but now I have to admit that I can't remember when excactly it was mentioned. I think it was in year 1. Maybe I've misread something. Sorry. We can delete it.--Rodolphus (talk) 16:31, June 18, 2018 (UTC)
Found it. Its named when Rwan and the player are talking in the Common Room after dueling with Merula in year 1, after overhearing Snape and Filch, though I think it may be the same corridor as the Icy corridor and I didn't realise it first. Could be redirected to Icy corridor.--Rodolphus (talk) 12:39, June 22, 2018 (UTC)
The red cloaked figure who attacked Jacob's sibling twice in Year 4 as revealed to be Ben Copper. In Year 5 chapter 1, both Jacob's sibling and Ben Copper were attacked by a red cloaked figure at the same time. This is a different individual altogether. The cutscene clearly shows this. Therefore the page Unidentified Dark Wizard should not be deleted. StargateFanBB (talk) 01:07, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
- Links: Ben Copper, Unidentified Dark Wizard. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:03, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
Or alternatively, they should be merged and provide a chronological explonations about who wore the red cloak/robes and why, who controlled them and for what purpose, etc. Maester Martin (talk) 19:49, September 9, 2018 (UTC) Agreed. The QLord (talk) 04:38, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
- Why not keep it, if the images in this gallery are on-topic and within the rules? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:29, September 15, 2018 (UTC)